Is Yeshua YHWH?

13 I know where thou dwellest, even
where Satan's Throne is: and thou holdest fast my name,
and hast not denied my faith, even in those days
Antipas was my faithful Wittness, who was slain
among you, where Satan dwelleth.

2. And who is the faithful martyr? Strongs #493


From the companion Bible Looking at chapter 1 and 2.
I have to go to work
Shalom

I know how to use the quote but I can not. It does not work It only frezes my computer

Son worshipper <<< The word Antipas is actually a combination of two other words:

Strongs 473 & 3962 which are:

#473 = anti = in exchange for, in place of, instead of ( often as a sign of exchange of
relationship)


#3962= father, a male parent or ancestor

So when you put these two together to understand what Antipas means you get:

Instead of the Father!>>>

I see where you are at. Looks like anti-father
The companion note for Antipas says
A witness in the future who will be faithful unto death: Mentioned proleptically

Continue on I do not see your point.

Verse 12 is speaking of Pargamos.
This I know about Pargamos It was a temple and alter to zues and
the companion says A city of Mysia Famous for the worship of AEsculapius,
to whom title of soter (saviour ) was given and whose emblem was the serpent.
Identified with Apollo Acts 16:16 some trace the Babylonian pagan priesthood
as removing to pergamos.

Also A temple to aesculapius was outside the city of Jerusalem
By the Pool of bethesda. Aesculapius was a god of healing.
That is who I believe is the angel at the Pool stiring the water.

John 5:1-14
1 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Yahshua went up to Jerusalem.
Note: it is the feast
2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in Hebrew tongue Bethesda,having five porches.
Note: by the back gate of Jerusalem is where the pool, also there was a temple to the greak god of healing, Asculapius.
3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind , halt, withered waiting for the moving of the water.
Note: it was a great multitude of people waiting to be healed, as is in the healing tents of today. People waiting for the moving of the spirit. What are these people failing to do?
4 For an angle went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water. Whosoever then first after the water was troubled stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
Note: Is this an angel of YHWH? Is the evil one and Yahshua working at this healing pool? Isn’t it true that the evil one can unbind what he has bound if it’s for the greater evil? Would an angel of YHWH trouble the water? Look at troubling the water as confusing the minds of the multitude. Why would an angel of YHWH make a multitude of people race to the water to be the first one in? This breads selfishness. I have a rash on my foot that has been there for some time now. It hurts me, but I am able to walk. I have a friend who is in a wheelchair. Her pain is much greater than mine and she can’t walk. If we were at that pool I would want to take her into the water, or anyone else that was worse off. Maybe YHWH would heal my feet because of the unselfish act on my part. Making sick people race to the water to be healed , seems to me to be the opposite way that YHWH would do things.
5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
Note: this man had been wasting 38 years, waiting beside unclean water , to be healed. He should have been walking in the way of Yahshua caring for people who were worse off than himself.
6 When Yahshua saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith to him, Wilt thou be made whole?
Note: The messiah knew that he had been there too long, and asked him if he wanted to be made whole. Yahshua wanted to know if he wanted to get a life. One in him , one with purpose. Not to be sick anymore and not to be continuing in the life of sin that he had been in for 38 years . I don’t know how old you are , but today I am 42. So that is most of my life. There was a time when I was sitting by that pool.
7The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man , when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I an coming down another steppeth down before me.
Note: Sadly the man does not understand what Yhashua is saying, or who Yahshua is. The man complains of the selfishness of others to Yahshua, that no man will him. He doesn’t understand that it isn’t man who can help him, but the healing is in Yahshua, our salvation. Yahshua is the word of YHWH , the bread of life.
8 Yahshua saith unto him, rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
Note: This was a sabbath day, that Yahshua told this man to change his life. Go and sin no more.
And is repeated in verse 14.
9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath
Note: It was also feast . In Acts 5:16 it tells how Peter went back with the athourity and power of yah through YAHSHUA to the pool and healed everyone. Unlike the spirit of the troubling the water where only the first man could be healed
acts 5:16 there came also a multitude out of jerusalem ,bring sick folks , and them which were vexed with unclean spirits and they were healed everyone
what are the unclean spirits here? Maybe the same unclean spirits at the pool, and the same sick people . YAHSHUA did not heal one YAHSHUA healed everyone that came to him willingly.

So my Question would be is this Witness good or bad?
I have to go back to work.

"And the prophet said: Let us come, my Lord, to a second judgment. And God said: I cast fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah. And the prophet said: Lord, Thou dealest with us according to our deserts. And God said: Your sins transcend my clemency. And the prophet said: Call to mind the Scriptures, my Father, who hast measured out Jerusalem, and set her up again. Have mercy, O Lord, upon sinners; have mercy upon Thine own creatures;(4) have pity upon Thy works.Then God remembered those whom He had made, and said to the prophet: How can I have mercy upon them? Vinegar and gall did they give me to drink ,(5) and not even then did they repent."

From the book of Esdra, for what it's worth.

Well I am surprised... throughout this whole thread no one has mentioned John 1:1... is there some Hebrew idion here that I just don't know?

John*1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John*1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Thought I'd throw in v14 there as well. John flat out says that "the Word was God." He leaves no room for mistaking that either. And of course when in v14, John relates that the Word became flesh, we know that John speaks of the Christ.

What I get from this all is this: the Word is as much God as God Himself is. When the Word became flesh was for a duration in which the Word humbled Himself. During this time we find that even in His humbled state, God still chooses to bestow all authority and power to Him, for they remain One. Never were they divided but remain 100% God whether in heaven or contained in the fleshly body of Jesus Christ.

SonWorshipper said:

Interesting.............. when was this written? I am not familiar with the extra biblical books.

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Well, to be honest I have no idea. lol...

I've always wanted to research the apocrypha and other related writings, so the other night I started.

If you haven't done so already, read Bel and the Dragon, and Daniel and Susanna, both of which are short books, but they are both quite good. Worth reading IMO.

Heres a link if you wish to research it at some time;

http://wesley.nnu.edu/noncanon/apocrypha.htm

Oh, and Enoch is also very interesting. It goes into pretty graphic detail on the subject of Genesis 6:1-2;

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

This is what I was saying about John. He knew Yeshua, as Yeshua, and even the risen
Yeshua, but he didn't know him as the risen G-d, and G-d the Father, but that is who he
met in heaven and that is why he fainted dead away!

Again I do not believe That .
This is a teaching that is trying to say the FATHER is equal with the SON.
I compleatly have to disagree!!!
The FATHER is not The risen SON.
I am coming to a point where I just have to disagree with you.

quote from sonworshipper
<<<Yeshua as G-d the Father is talking of Yeshua the son, the faithful servant, the Faithful
Martyr, who He called "Antipas" because it was that Yeshua/G-d that came instead of
the Father.>>>
I can agree that this could Be the YAHSHUA speaking the
FATHER's words but not as the FATHER as the SON speaking
for the FATHER.
To say that the SON is the FATHER I believe is wrong.
All you have here is a theory. The FATHER and SON remian
TWO through the Book.

Now I can't get back to see the post's .
Anyway Sonworshipper you ask what the rest of what I posted was.
Well you asked what I thought about chapter 2.
Well what is Pargomas? What was the Doctrine of Balaam.
The people Mostly greeks were Worshipping these gods before, at,
and after the time of BC/AD YAHSHUA.
The doctrine of the Nicolaitannes. Two diffrent Doctrines HERE
From 2:12 to 16.

Baalam NUM chapter 22:41 to 23:26

I'm out of time I have to eat and go to work.

quote from Sonworshipper
<<<The Revelation is AFTER all that went before. And this is the thing, you can't compare
Him NOW as he was presented before. G-d has come in the flesh and completed his
eartly flesh mission. He was lowered for awhile, not forever.>>
If all HIS WORK was compleate we would be in the new Earth. YAHSHUA has to
come back before all is compleated.
It seems like you are skipping over all that is yet to come.
Again the book of Rev, speaks of the LAMB and the FATHER as seperate.
And you are very hard to understand.

OHHH okay I had the implications all wrong lol Let me pose this then...

Dan*7:13 "I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
Dan*7:14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

This passage in Daniel says that the Christ was led before the presence of the Lord and was given a kingdom. They appear to be seperate here.

And here:

Luke*22:69 "But from now on THE SON OF MAN WILL BE SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND of the power OF GOD."

The Christ Himself speaks of sitting at the right hand of God. They must still be distinct. At least this is how I see it...

I can find better, on Antipas and I'm seaching for for other understandings .
so who was Antipus?
http://www.geocities.com/revmdavis/06-23-02.html

Well Sonworshipper, I have found no proof that you maybe correct so far and I've been looking
at this for awhile now. It seems the Maryter was just that someone that was Marytered.
Got any Proof this was YAHSHUA and if it was Do you have any explanation why YAHSHUA's
name is not used here?

John Gill says:

"Antipas is the proper name of a man; so a son of Herod was called
(f), even he that beheaded John, and mocked Christ: and there
might be a man of this name at Pergamos, that might suffer
martyrdom for the Gospel of Christ; and who was an emblem of the
confessors, witnesses, and martyrs, that suffered for Christ, in this
period of time, through their opposition to the popes of Rome; for
Antipas is the contraction of Antipater, and is the same with
Antipapas, or Antipappas, which signifies one that is against the
pope, an opposer of that holy father; and so intends all those that
made head against him, upon his rising and revelation, and when he
assumed the power he did to himself; such as the Waldenses and
Albigenses particularly, who set themselves against him, openly
declared that the pope was antichrist, and that his government was
tyrannical, and his doctrines the doctrines of devils, abominable and
fabulous. They bore a faithful testimony against all his corruptions
and innovations, and became martyrs in the cause of Christ, many
thousands of them being slain for his sake within the dominions of
this firstborn of Satan. The Alexandrian copy reads "Anteipas"; and
his name is left out in the Syriac and Arabic versions, "

Vincents Word Studies says:

"There is no other record of this martyr."

Robertsons Word Pictures says:

" Indeclinable in this form. It is possible that Antipa (genitive) was
really written, though unimportant as the nominative follows in
apposition. Nothing is really known of this early martyr in Pergamum
before the writing of the Apocalypse. One legend is that he was
burnt to death in a brazen bull. Other martyrs followed him at
Pergamum (Agathonice, Attalus, Carpus, Polybus)."

SonWorshipper said:

Hi

It was only for a second I believe because then he died immediatly after crying out: "Eli,Eli, L'mah sh'vaktani " Which translated means: "My G-d , My G-d why have you deserted me?!

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Er shvaqtonee comes from the root shvaq which means "to allow, to forgive, to loose, to leave".

See this article that I'm in the middle of writing:

http://www.AramaicNT.org/Site-Index/Articles/LastWords.php



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