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Is Yeshua YHWH?

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by SonWorshipper, Jul 23, 2003.

  1. SonWorshipper

    SonWorshipper Old Timer

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    Did Yeshua come instead of the Father?

    Doing a little research on another subject I came across this.

    In the greek there is a word "anti", it is used in combination with other words to make one word. Such as the english suffix of "pre" meaning before, so when added to any word it means before_________.

    Now when going through Strongs, I looked for other words using this prefix. And found something "very interesting" as Arte used to say on Laugh-In (for those over 40 ;)).

    There is one entry of the word "ANTIPAS".

    Now I have always thought of this as a person. But looking at the Greek, it seems there is something else here.

    The word "Anti" translates to "instead of".

    Now "Pas" in Greek means ( Strongs 3962) Father, male parent or ancestor.

    Now when you see the meaning of that and read this passage, what do you see?

    This is in an address to the church in Smyrna:


    In many depictions and theologies, Yeshua is looked upon as a lesser part of the G-dhead, if you will. But he was only "hampered" in my opinion, but lowering himself to dwell among us in the flesh.

    I have no doubt, Yeshua is G-d.

    There is only one point I believe that he was "only" ( if you can even say that) "a man" and that is the millisecond that he took on all the sins of the world. For we know that G-d cannot be around sin, so I believe he departed from the body person of Yeshua at that instant. That is why I believe he cried out

    "My G-d, My G-d, why have you forsaken me?"

    At that very point he was a human being, suffering not only under the weight of the sins of the world but also something that no one yet has experienced, and that is the total withdrawal of the L-rd's spirit. ( A foretaste for those that don't believe- in hell)

    I believe that everyone has this, wither or not they are a believer, those who don't believe call it a "conscience", but I believe that is G-d there. This is what left him and caused him to cry out. Notice here he calls him "My G-d", Not Father.

    Else wise this is our loving G-d come to take the punishment we deserve because He loves us so much and has not left us helpless trying to save ourselves.

    The first mention of G-d in the Gospels tells us just who Yeshua is.

    Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, G-d with us.

    This verse flat out tells the interpretation of the name. You can't be plainer than this:

    G-D WITH US Right? :)
     
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  2. Shamash Of Yeshua

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    Shalom SonWorshipper,

    I would have to say if Yeshua was only a Man for a millisecond then in the whole time He dwelt on Earth then I would have to say the following:
    Sin came into the world BY MAN, Adam, he is the first Adam. And Yeshua is the Second Adam as Scripture says(I forget where at this time) and therefore only a RIGHTEOUS MAN who kept the WHOLE TORAH can pay for the SIN OF MAN. Otherwise in my opinion SIN couldn't be paid for. That is why a MAN was born of the RUACH of YHWH and a woMAN.
    Also "Son of GOD" is used 181 times in the B'rit Khadashah and 1 time in the Tanakh. I haven't read everyone of the times it is used in the B'rit Khadashah, yet more then likely they all reference Yeshua. And many other verses talk of YHWH and Yeshua as two seperate persons. Also it does say YHWH GAVE Yeshua all the AUTHORITY in Heaven and Earth, which it states Yeshua will give it all back when all is complete.(I forget right off where this is and would be grateful if anyone knows what verses I am speaking of)

    Shalom,
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  3. SonWorshipper

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    Now I saw something else here.

    We know that the beginning of the "letters to the churches" tells us that it is Yeshua giving this information to John right? Telling him to write down what he tells him.

    Now each church is told who the letter comes from , but each time it is different. We know that this is Yeshua by the opening verses of chapter 1:

    So when "Chapter 2:13 says:
    We know that the "I" who knows the works, etc..............Is Yeshua himself speaking. BUT it is very interesting that he speaks, not as the Son of G-d but as G-d himself!

    "And thou holdest fast my name" - Whose name? the name of Yeshua

    "and has not denied my faith"
    (a BETTER translation is from the CJB) " You did not deny trusting me"

    "Even in those days wherein Antipas ( instead of Father) was my faithful martyr"



    This EXPLODES with greater meaning! This is saying that Yeshua speaking is G-D and that these faithful servants He is speaking to, some were actually there in Jerusalem when Yeshua was crucified! ( They would have been there for the feast of Passover and Shavout.)

    And not only that but he is saying that Antipas=Instead of the Father, YESHUA, was MY faithful martyr. YESHUA was HIS ( Yeshua/G-d's) faithful martyr!

    Doesn't that just blow you away!!!!! It does me!
     
  4. Shamash Of Yeshua

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    Now I remember where that scripture is I forgot where it was. Read my signature :D
    Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians
    15:20 But now Messiah has been raised from the dead. He became the first fruits of those who are asleep.
    21 For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.
    22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Messiah all will be made alive.
    23 But each in his own order: Messiah the first fruits, then those who are Messiah's, at his coming.
    24 Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power;
    25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
    27 For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him.
    28 When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.

    NOTE: the BIG LETTERED words are YHWH and the smaller BOLD lettered words are Yeshua.
    If you have a Complete Jewish Bible then read it in there.

    Shalom,

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    I must go to bed, Haven't been getting much sleep lately.
     
  5. Bastoune

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    Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the "Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end."

    The only possible conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is God.

    Rev. 1:17 - Jesus says again, "I am the First and the Last." This is in reference to the God prophesied by Isaiah in Isaiah 44:6, 41:4, 48:12.

    John 20:28 - Jesus accepts Thomas' statement "My Lord and my God!" Literally, "the Lord of me and the God of me!" (in Greek, "Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou").

    2 Sam. 22:3 - God is the horn of salvation - Luke 1:68-69 - Jesus is the horn of salvation.

    Psalm 62:12 - the Lord God renders to each according to his work - Matt. 16:27; Rev. 22:12 - Jesus so renders to each according to his work.

    Psalm 71:5 - the Lord God is our hope - 1 Tim. 1:1 - the Lord Jesus Christ who is our hope.

    Psalm 97:9 - the Lord God is above all - John 3:31 - Jesus is above all.

    Isaiah 43:14 - the Lord God is redeemer - Titus 2:14 - Jesus is the redeemer.

    Ezek. 34:11-31 - God the Father is the shepherd of the flock - John 10:7-29 - Jesus is the shepherd of the flock.

    Ezek. 34:16 - God seeks to save that which was lost - Luke 19:10 - Jesus seeks to save that which was lost.

    Ezek. 34:17 - God judges between cattles, rams and goats - Matt. 25:32 - Jesus judges and separates the goats from the sheep.

    Ezek. 43:2 - God's voice was like a noise of many waters - Rev. 1:15 - Jesus' voice was like the sound of many waters.

    Dan. 2:47 - the Lord is the God of gods and the Lord of Lords - Rev. 17:14 - Jesus the Lamb is the Lord of Lords.

    If Jesus is not God these, and the countless other verses of the Bible, are blatant blasphemy.
     
  6. Sabian

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    Well I believe YHWH is both FATHER and SON. But the FATHER is EL.
    ELOHIM is speaking of Both FATHER and SON.
    HALLELUYAH mean's PRAISE YAH
    Which I believe the Name YAH to be speaking only of the FATHER.
    All things come from the FATHER through the SON.
    The FATHER has never been seen or Heard by man.
    So when Adam , Jacob, Abraham, Moses and the rest of Mankind,
    saw and heard ELOHIM. What they Saw was The FATHER through the SON.
    They saw the SON and Heard the SON doing the will of the FATHER.
    Who was in the fire with Shadrach, Meshach,and Abed-nego?The FATHER or the SON?
    The FATHER has always been greater then the SON. The FATHER is on the THRONE
    the SON is at the RIGHT hand Doing the will of the FATHER.
    It is the FATHER's word we are to obey. We are to do the will of the FATHER.
    YAHSHUA does the will of the FATHER we are also ,to do the will of the FATHER.
    YAHSHUA molded the world with his hands. But it was the FATHER ( will , word , plan.)
    YAHSHUA is the word? Because he has done every word that comes from the FATHER's
    mouth. Do you have Kids Imagine if you SON never said NO!!! That is what YAHSHUA
    Truly is. A perfect SON that compleates every task given to HIM.
    That is how I see the SON. YAHSHUA is the Perfect will of the FATHER.
    The WAY that the PLAN OF SALVATION, the FATHER has thought of,
    is being fulfilled through the SON.

    Please explain why You are writing G-d , L-rd ?
    Is this why you say YESHUA in stead of the Name
    that contains the FATHER's name YAH?
    I'm just tring to understand.
    Do you think it is wrong to say YAH or YHWH or even EL or ELOHIM?
    Maybe explain on the other forum.
     
  7. SonWorshipper

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    I agree with most of what you say there Sabian. The vowel removal is in respect and honor of the 3rd commmandment.

    Does anyone have any comments on what I wrote? I think it is pretty clear here that Yeshua is also the Father.
     
  8. Sabian

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    Well that is where you and I disagree.
    I do not believe the SON is the FATHER.
    I do not believe the SON has every been Equal with the FATHER.
    I believe YAHSHUA to be Worthy of this but he Did not and has
    not ever claimed this.
    He has always humbled himself and done the will of the FATHER.
    He has not sat on the throne with his FATHER.
    I understand that the SON will sit on the throne and claim HIS inhertance.
    This is the only thing I do not understand.
    Will there be two Thrones, it seems so?
    And we will be at the right hand.
    GREATER then the angels. WHY?
    I think it is because we will be overcomers.
    We were born in sin.


    The third commandment Was writen with the name in it.

    Thou shalt not take the name YHWH thy ELOHIM in vain:
    YHWH will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
    Scripture contains the name YHWH and YAH.
    Why remove it when writing or speaking about it?
    We are told to proclaim the name how can you do that if you do not use it?
    We are not to remove from scripture.
    To do this just does not make cents to me.
    See what I'm saying.
    To me out of respect I should not remove the name.
    I think that it was wrong for the scribes to do so.
    The Encyclopedic judaica Vol.7 page 680.
    States that this was not done untill around the third century B.C.E.
    The pronunciation of the name yhwh was avoided ,
    and Adonai the LORD was substituted for it.

    To me they added to the LAW here.
    They thought is was to sacred to speak or write at all.
     
  9. ILJ

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    Shalom all, :)
    Son Worshipper, Very good piece there. :) I am in agreement with you on that.

    Shalom,
    In Him
    ILJ
     
  10. Shamash Of Yeshua

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    If I remember right Yeshua said we are all Gods.

    Shalom,

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  11. Shamash Of Yeshua

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    Shabbat Shalom Bastoune,

    For a while now I have been seeing Yeshua is to YHWH as Joseph is to Pharaoh for Pharaoh gave Joseph the Position above ALL except Himself and his house. If you read the scripture I quoted above then you can see that. So Yeshua does in fact have all those characteristics that YHWH gave to him. Now about the last sentence I will have to say you are incorrect for Yeshua does have those characteristics since YHWH gave him the position above ALL that are Created.

    Shabbat Shalom,
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    The Good News According to Mark
    11:22 Yeshua answered them, "Have faith in God. 23 For most certainly I tell you, whoever may tell this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' and doesn't doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is happening; he shall have whatever he says. 24 Therefore I tell you, all things whatever you pray and ask for, believe that you have received them, and you shall have them. 25 Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone; so that your Father, who is in heaven, may also forgive you your transgressions. 26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your transgressions."

    The Acts of the Emissaries
    20:21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Yeshua.

    Paul's Letter to the Romans
    1:8 First, I thank my God through Yeshua the Messiah for all of you, that your faith is proclaimed throughout the whole world. 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve in my spirit in the Good News of his Son, how unceasingly I make mention of you always in my prayers,
    ...
    3:19 Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God. 20 Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin. 21 But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the Torah and the Prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Yeshua the Messiah to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction, 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Messiah Yeshua; 25 whom God set forth to be an atoning sacrifice, through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God's forbearance; 26 to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time; that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him who has faith in Yeshua.
    ...
    5:1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah; 2 through whom we also have our access by faith into this grace in which we stand. We rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 Not only this, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering works perseverance; 4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope: 5 and hope doesn't disappoint us, because God's love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. 6 For while we were yet weak, at the right time Messiah died for the ungodly. 7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man. Yet perhaps for a righteous person someone would even dare to die. 8 But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Messiah died for us.

    Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians
    1:4 I always thank my God concerning you, for the grace of God which was given you in Messiah Yeshua; 5 that in everything you were enriched in him, in all speech and all knowledge; 6 even as the testimony of Messiah was confirmed in you: 7 so that you come behind in no gift; waiting for the revelation of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah; 8 who will also confirm you until the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. 9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into the fellowship of his Son, Yeshua the Messiah, our Lord.

    Paul's Letter to the Galatians
    26 For you are all children of God, through faith in Messiah Yeshua.

    Paul's Letter to the Ephesians
    1:1 Paul, an emissary of Messiah Yeshua through the will of God,
    to the holy ones who are at Ephesus, and the faithful in Messiah Yeshua: 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah.
    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Messiah; 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without blemish before him in love; 5 having predestined us for adoption as children through Yeshua the Messiah to himself, according to the good pleasure of his desire, 6 to the praise of the glory of his grace, by which he freely bestowed favor on us in the Beloved, 7 in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he purposed in him 10 to an administration of the fullness of the times, to sum up all things in Messiah, the things in the heavens, and the things on the earth, in him; 11 in whom also we were assigned an inheritance, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be to the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Messiah: 13 in whom you also, having heard the word of the truth, the Good News of your salvation [yeshu`ah],--in whom, having also believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is a pledge of our inheritance, to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of his glory. 15 For this cause I also, having heard of the faith in the Lord Yeshua which is among you, and the love which you have toward all the holy ones, 16 don't cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; 18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope of his calling, and what are the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the holy ones, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might 20 which he worked in Messiah, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come. 22 He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the assembly, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.
    ...
    6:23 Peace be to the brothers, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah.

    Paul's Letter to the Colossians
    1:1 Paul, an emissary of Messiah Yeshua through the will of God, and Timothy our brother, 2 to the holy ones and faithful brothers in Messiah at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah.
    3 We give thanks to God the Father of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, praying always for you, 4 having heard of your faith in Messiah Yeshua, and of the love which you have toward all the holy ones, 5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the Good News, 6 which has come to you; even as it is in all the world and is bearing fruit and growing, as it does in you also, since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth; 7 even as you learned of Epaphras our beloved fellow servant, who is a faithful servant of Messiah on our behalf, 8 who also declared to us your love in the Spirit. 9 For this cause, we also, since the day we heard this, don't cease praying and making requests for you, that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, 10 that you may walk worthily of the Lord, to please him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11 strengthened with all power, according to the might of his glory, for all endurance and perseverance with joy; 12 giving thanks to the Father, who made us fit to be partakers of the inheritance of the holy ones in light; 13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love; 14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins; 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things are held together. 18 He is the head of the body, the assembly, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For all the fullness was pleased to dwell in him; 20 and through him to reconcile all things to himself, by him, whether things on the earth, or things in the heavens, having made peace through the blood of his cross.

    Paul's First Letter to the Thessalonians
    1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, to the assembly of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah.
    2 We always give thanks to God for all of you, mentioning you in our prayers, 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith and labor of love and patience of hope in our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, before our God and Father. 4 We know, brothers loved by God, that you are chosen, 5 and that our Good News came to you not in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and with much assurance. You know what kind of men we showed ourselves to be among you for your sake. 6 You became imitators of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit, 7 so that you became an example to all who believe in Macedonia and in Achaia. 8 For from you the word of the Lord has been declared, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith toward God has gone out; so that we need not to say anything. 9 For they themselves report concerning us what kind of a reception we had from you; and how you turned to God from idols, to serve a living and true God, 10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead--Yeshua, who delivers us from the wrath to come.

    Paul's First Letter to Timothy
    1:1 Paul, an emissary of Messiah Yeshua according to the commandment of God our Savior, and Messiah Yeshua our hope; 2 to Timothy, my true child in faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Messiah Yeshua our Lord.
    3 As I urged you when I was going into Macedonia, stay at Ephesus that you might instruct certain men not to teach a different doctrine, 4 neither to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which cause disputes, rather than God's stewardship, which is in faith-- 5 but the goal of this instruction is love, out of a pure heart and a good conscience and unfeigned faith; 6 from which things some, having missed the mark, have turned aside to vain talking; 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, though they understand neither what they say, nor about what they strongly affirm. 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man uses it lawfully, 9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine; 11 according to the Good News of the glory of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 12 And I thank him who enabled me, Messiah Yeshua our Lord, because he counted me faithful, appointing me to service; 13 although I was before a blasphemer, a persecutor, and insolent. However, I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 The grace of our Lord abounded exceedingly with faith and love which is in Messiah Yeshua. 15 The saying is faithful and worthy of all acceptance, that Messiah Yeshua came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first, Yeshua the Messiah might display all his patience, for an example of those who were going to believe in him for eternal life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
     
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    Paul's Letter to Titus
    1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an emissary of Yeshua the Messiah, according to the faith of God's chosen ones, and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life, which God, who can't lie, promised before time began; 3 but in his own time revealed his word in the message with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior; 4 to Titus, my true child according to a common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Yeshua the Messiah our Savior.

    The Letter to the Hebrews
    12:1 Therefore let us also, seeing we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Yeshua, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising its shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    Peter's Second Letter
    1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and emissary of Yeshua the Messiah, to those who have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and of our Savior Yeshua the Messiah: 2 Grace to you and peace be multiplied in the knowledge of God and of Yeshua our Lord, 3 seeing that God’s divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and virtue; 4 by which he has granted to us his precious and exceedingly great promises; that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust.

    The Revelation to Yochanan
    14:12 Here is the patience of the holy ones, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Yeshua."
     
  14. Rafael

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    Jesus is God, AMEN! The whole Bible is about Him and His works. God refers to Himself as plural several times in scripture, yet sceptics bound by their own fleshly understanding cannot accept how far His ways are above ours. Our understanding of Him is as through a glass darkly, and the only light we have is that given by Him and His work. Here are a few verses to add to the many great verses already given:

    1Co 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Messiah is the power of God and the wisdom of God.

    Eph 3:9 and to make all men see what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God, who created all things through Yeshua the Messiah; 10 to the intent that now through the assembly the manifold wisdom of God might be made known to the principalities and the powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Messiah Yeshua our Lord;

    Col 2:9 For in him ALL the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily, 10 and in him you are made full, who is the head of ALL principality and power; 11 in whom you were also circumcised with a circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the sins of the flesh, in the circumcision of Messiah;

    Scripture is about Jesus - Messiah:

    Joh 5:39 "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are they which testify about me.
     
  15. Shamash Of Yeshua

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    raphe,
    The scripture I just quote above doesn't say Yeshua was YHWH.

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    Of course your reference that you are stating is describing YHWH. And remember MAN has warped translations of the Bible that is tuned to THEIR Dark Understanding. We would think that we can trust Translations, yet that isn't true, because MAN's Understanding has been warped by influence by Hasatan. I myself am still searching and will eventually have to learn Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek so as to fully understand what is written. And also see the copies for myself adventually because I have GREAT DOUBTS in what MAN says is Doctrine knowing full well that Hasatan will influence MAN to add LIES to or subtract from the Bible one way or another.
    http://www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm
    Ephesians 3:9 and to enlighten everyone about the divine secret’s plan a secret that has been hidden for ages in the God who has created all things. 10 The purpose of this enlightenment is that through the church the multifaceted wisdom of God should now be disclosed to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly realms. 11 This was according to the eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and confident access to God because of Christ’s faithfulness.

    Colossians 2:8 Be careful not to allow anyone to captivate you through an empty, deceitful philosophy that is according to human traditions and the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 In him you also were circumcised—not, however, with a circumcision performed by human hands, but by the removal of the fleshly body, that is, through the circumcision done by Christ.


    If you read my signature which I couldn't fit all I wanted to, so here is what I wanted to fit: 1 Corinthians 15:20-28

    Also throughout scritpture "Son of God" is mentioned 181 times in the B'rit Khadashah(NT) which one time is in the Tanakh(OT). And the fact that Yeshua Himself said that there is ONLY ONE WHO IS GOOD and that is YHWH. He, Yeshua didn't say He was GOOD, but GOD our FATHER IN HEAVEN. Now if there is only ONE who is GOOD and HE is OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN then what does that really mean? And according to 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 I see Yeshua is to YHWH as Joshua is to Pharaoh. Doen't mean I don't believe Yeshua is Deity at all, just means YHWH gave Yeshua all authority as the scripture says below and when Yeshua brings everything into subjection then HE, Yeshua will be Subjected to YHWH.

    Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians
    15:20 But now Messiah has been raised from the dead. He became the first fruits of those who are asleep.
    21 For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.
    22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Messiah all will be made alive.
    23 But each in his own order: Messiah the first fruits, then those who are Messiah's, at his coming.
    24 Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power;
    25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
    27 For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him.
    28 When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.

    NOTE: the BIG LETTERED words are YHWH and the smaller BOLD lettered words are Yeshua.

    Shabbat Shalom,
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  17. SonWorshipper

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    John 10:30
    I and my Father are one.





    Can't get any plainer than that!

    But if you still aren't sure, look at the reaction he recieved from the Jews he spoke in front of:

    31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

    No talk, no trial, why? There was no reason to because it was plain and simple, He claimed to be G-d.

     
  18. Shamash Of Yeshua

    Shamash Of Yeshua Servant

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    Shalom,

    Yeshua came in His Fathers Authority. Which to me He has all the Power of YHWH, yet isn't above HIM.

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  19. Sabian

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    I and my Father are one.





    Can't get any plainer than that!


    I think I explain that YAHSHUA is the will of the FATHER .
    YAHSHUA is explaining that. I am the FATHER's Messenger,
    The WORD made flesh. MY wife is one with me ,
    my two sons are one with me. I Pray it stays that way.
     
  20. Shamash Of Yeshua

    Shamash Of Yeshua Servant

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    If we are ONE with Yeshua then we to are ONE with YHWH. So does that make us GOD?

    Shalom,

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