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Of course not because the Sabbath is still the Sabbath, at least according to the Catholic Church. Catholics observed the day of resurrection early on, but did not change the Sabbath day.

Actually not so gradual.

Constantine wouldn't have done that unless Sunday was already the established day for worship. The Church had already done that a few centuries before.

Yup. Sunday is the Lord's Day, the Eighth Day, the observance of the Resurrection. No pretense that it is the Sabbath, which is still Saturday.

Yup.

We aren't 'observing the Sabbath'. It's an observation of the resurrection. If you don't want to observe the resurrection that's your business.
Some people prefer following tradition of men instead of the word of GOD! show me where God changed the time for the sabbath, it is men who did so, not GOD. The sabbath is a test and you will fail it if you do not repent, Jesus gospel was repentance from sin, disobeying GOD is a sin, just saying the truth.

@The Liturgist : IT is not an attack on a particular church to say the truth about the sabbath being on the seventh day not the first. there is only One God, One truth!

She sabbath Is part of the Covenant, that are the Ten Commandments, the Covenant is an agreement between God and Men, do not miss out. Especially do not teach something GOD did not ordain.

Sorry to be Blunt but at times it is necessary.
 
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Savage wolves have always come in, generally posing as or believing themselves to be the holiest ones, with several offspring wolflings born in the 19th century, stirring and spreading confusion, often silliness, while detracting from the full-true message. Meanwhile God has continued to preserve and govern the church He established, with its human warts and all.
The savage wolfs as you call them are the ones who turned people away from the commandments of GOD

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 (NKJV):​

"Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you. You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."
 
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And the ancient churches from the beginning have consistentl, strongly, taught the keeping of the commandments, in the face of animosity from those who call it a "works righteousness" mentaltiy.
No church has the right to change the commandments;

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 (NKJV):​


"Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you. You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."
 
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The New Testament calls for commandment keeping. Here are some proofs.

Entering Life
  • Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Loving God
  • John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
  • John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
  • John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
  • 1Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
  • 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
  • 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Knowing Him
  • 1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
  • 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Prayers Answered
  • 1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
Receiving the Holy Spirit
  • 1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The Saints Defined
  • Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
  • Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Entering the City
  • Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
If the New Testament calls for commandment keeping, namely, the commandments of God, then all Ten are binding, including the Sabbath commandment.

The Seal of God

Regarding the Sabbath specifically. Note: One of the Ten.

God said to remember, because it is a sign, a perpetual covenant.
  • Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
  • Exodus 31:13-16 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
"The Sabbath commandment only applies to Israel specifically."

Not if it is a perpetual covenant (i.e. it cannot be separated). Not if it is the Seal of God.

Evidence of Sunday Sacredness in Scripture

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In Closing

The New Testament equates commandment keeping with:
  • Entering Life
  • Loving God
  • Knowing Him
  • Prayers Answered
  • Receiving the Holy Spirit
  • The Saints
  • Entering the City
Christianity defined and salvation in a nutshell.

There are many more proofs. This is just a short list.

Did you notice that Satan (above, under The Saints Defined; Revelation 12:17) becomes enraged with the woman and goes to make war with the remnant of her seed which keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus? Why is Satan angry with commandment keepers if the commandments aren't binding? They are the remnant of the woman's seed. The woman's seed is Jesus. Jesus taught commandment keeping.
 
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Some people prefer following tradition of men instead of the word of GOD! show me where God changed the time for the sabbath, it is men who did so, not GOD. The sabbath is a test and you will fail it if you do not repent, Jesus gospel was repentance from sin, disobeying GOD is a sin, just saying the truth.
You have found so many people to look down upon. Does it make you happy?

I should have known better than to get involved with this thread and the SDA tradition of your supposed prophetess Ellen Gould White. Talk about the traditions of men ….
 
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The New Testament calls for commandment keeping. Here are some proofs.

Entering Life
  • Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Loving God
  • John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
  • John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
  • John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
  • 1Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
  • 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
  • 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Knowing Him
  • 1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
  • 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Prayers Answered
  • 1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
Receiving the Holy Spirit
  • 1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The Saints Defined
  • Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
  • Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Entering the City
  • Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
If the New Testament calls for commandment keeping, namely, the commandments of God, then all Ten are binding, including the Sabbath commandment.

The Seal of God

God said to remember, because it is a sign, a perpetual covenant.
  • Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
  • Exodus 31:13-16 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
"The Sabbath commandment only applies to Israel specifically."

And yet the New Testament equates commandment keeping with:
  • Entering Life
  • Loving God
  • Knowing Him
  • Prayers Answered
  • Receiving the Holy Spirit
  • The Saints
  • Entering the City
Christianity defined and salvation in a nutshell.

There are many more proofs. This is just a short list.

Evidence of Sunday Sacredness in Scripture

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Very useful, Thank you!
 
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The savage wolfs as you call them are the ones who turned people away from the commandments of GOD

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 (NKJV):​

"Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you. You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."
I was quoting another poster who used the term “savage wolves”. Wolves cause confusion, introducing novel gospels, etc, causing people to turn from the truth. The ancient churches did not cause anyone to turn from the commandments of God, just the opposite, in fact.
 
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You have found so many people to look down upon. Does it make you happy?

I should have known better than to get involved with this thread and the SDA tradition of your supposed prophetess Ellen Gould White. Talk about the traditions of men ….
To have to correct people by quoting proper verses in the proper context does not make me happy on the contrary, it makes me very Sad. People do not know scripture, instead they follow the words of men. it Confirms what Christ said about not many find the narrow way that leads to eternal life.

Mat 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

I am not SDA just reading the bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit that teaches me the truth and opens my mind to understanding.

people forget;

Mat 7:7 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you.

and;

Jhn 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

Jhn 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever—

Jhn 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
 
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No church has the right to change the commandments;

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 (NKJV):​


"Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you. You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."
The church continued to teach all ten commandments, exactly as they are, with the obligation to obey them; antinomianism, or even the question as to whether or not the law must be obeyed, is largely a novel introduction although James was already dealing with elements of it in his second chapter. And yes, the church can change the way in which the sabbath commandment is obeyed, only if that change came from God; if that's how the church, Christ's followers, received it, IOW.
 
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The church continued to teach all ten commandments, exactly as they are, with the obligation to obey them; antinomianism, or even the question as to whether or not the law must be obeyed, is largely a novel introduction although James was already dealing with elements of it in his second chapter. And yes, the church can change the way in which the sabbath commandment is obeyed, only if that change came from God; if that's how the church, Christ's followers, received it, IOW.
Christ didn’t make this changes it’s the changed He warned us about. Dan 7:25 Isa 8:20 God keeps His promises. Psa 89:34 Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18-19
 
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The church continued to teach all ten commandments, exactly as they are, with the obligation to obey them; antinomianism, or even the question as to whether or not the law must be obeyed, is largely a novel introduction although James was already dealing with elements of it in his second chapter. And yes, the church can change the way in which the sabbath commandment is obeyed, only if that change came from God; if that's how the church, Christ's followers, received it, IOW.
Not true regarding Sabbath though. Even the earliest writings of the first church attest that Gentile Christians did not keep the Sabbath.
 
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Not true regarding Sabbath though. Even the earliest writings of the first church attest that Gentile Christians did not keep the Sabbath.
Yes? Of course, they did not keep it in the old way.
 
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When the verse says that the Old Covenant is "obsolete," it does not mean that the moral principles underlying God's commandments (like love, justice, and holiness) are no longer valid. Rather, it means that the specific system of laws, sacrifices, and rituals that were part of the Old Covenant (like the temple sacrifices, ceremonial cleanliness, etc.) are no longer needed because Jesus' sacrifice fulfills them once and for all.

But that isn't what you've been saying in this thread. I can agree with this.

Since the "specific system of laws, sacrifices, and rituals" aren't in affect, then why are you on here telling us to observe them?

The Sabbath is part of that "specific system of laws, sacrifices, and rituals". It's Old Covenant, it's obsolete. Our Sabbath isn't a day of the week, the true Sabbath is "today", it's in Christ who says, "Come to Me all who are weary and heavy laden, I will give you rest". He doesn't say "The Sabbath will give you rest", He says "I will".

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Yes? Of course, they did not keep it in the old way.
Yup.

"If you keep the Sabbath, why not also be circumcised? And if circumcised, why not also offer sacrifices? If the Law is to be observed, it must be observed in its entirety"
Justin Martyr, cca 100-165 AD

"If, then, those who had lived according to the ancient practices came to the newness of hope, no longer keeping the Sabbath but living in accordance with the Lord’s day"
Ignatios to Magnesians, 110 AD

"They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we" (Church History 1:4:8, A.D. 312)
Eusebius of Caesarea

"Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean" (Catechetical Lectures 4:37, A.D. 350)
Cyril of Jerusalem

And others. The view of the first church regarding Sabbath seems the most similar to the Helvetic reformed view, of all current church traditions.
 
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The only law that is both a time (every seventh day Exo 20:10) and is a law (the 4th commandment Exo 20:8-11) is the Sabbath commandment, that was changed in history not by God, but what He warned about Dan 7:25. The Sabbath is God’s seal. Exo 20:11 a sign He is our God Eze 20:20 and a sign of God’s sanctification Eze 20:12 because we can’t sanctify ourselves. Isa 66:17 God in clear easy to understand Words said He would not change. Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19 Mal 3:6

Its a matter of who we obey, which is who we serve Rom 6:16

God on His Authority Exo 31:18

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

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It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.
 
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The church continued to teach all ten commandments, exactly as they are, with the obligation to obey them; antinomianism, or even the question as to whether or not the law must be obeyed, is largely a novel introduction although James was already dealing with elements of it in his second chapter. And yes, the church can change the way in which the sabbath commandment is obeyed, only if that change came from God; if that's how the church, Christ's followers, received it, IOW.
you wrote, the church can change the way in which the sabbath commandment is obeyed, only if that change came from God; if that's how the church, Christ's followers, received it.

Any documents, writings that GOD did change the way the sabbath must be obeyed? something thatimportant, the sabbath being a sign of the covenant most certainly will never change, scripture if full of texts on this.

I just was reading John and came to this verse a moment ago;

Jhn 10:34 Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’?

Jhn 10:35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—

it is all over the bible!
 
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An interesting video of God’s Seal or receiving the mark during the end times when church and State make a union, which we are so close to.

Futurism does not make any biblical sense. Everything was to happen quickly, in the lifetimes of the first church. The book of Revelation itself stresses the word "soon" or "quickly" so many times I even lost count.
 
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Yup.

"If you keep the Sabbath, why not also be circumcised? And if circumcised, why not also offer sacrifices? If the Law is to be observed, it must be observed in its entirety"
Justin Martyr, cca 100-165 AD

"If, then, those who had lived according to the ancient practices came to the newness of hope, no longer keeping the Sabbath but living in accordance with the Lord’s day"
Ignatios to Magnesians, 110 AD

"They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we" (Church History 1:4:8, A.D. 312)
Eusebius of Caesarea

"Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean" (Catechetical Lectures 4:37, A.D. 350)
Cyril of Jerusalem

And others. The view of the first church regarding Sabbath seems the most similar to the Helvetic reformed view, of all current church traditions.
you named these writings you quoted perfectly: VIEWS AND TRADITIONS, they are Not the words of GOD but of Men!
 
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