UFOs: What do Christians say about aliens - What does the Bible say?

Unqualified · Jul 3, 2022

d taylor said:
Good book on the subject it is a short book easy read.

Power to Make War – Grace Evangelical Society

the serpent is the beast

trophy33 · Jul 3, 2022

BobRyan said:
The worst possible case is that all the entire universe is in rebellion except for those loyal 2/3's of the Angels that did not join with the rebelling angels.

The better case is found in Christ's example where of the 100 sheep only one is lost - and the Shepherd (Christ) leaves the 99 and comes to save the "one" --- is incarnate on this world alone - as the one planet in rebellion.

It also explains why it is in Rev 12 that Satan is cast down to this Earth when he falls - along with all his evil angels.

And it explains why in Job 1 Satan says "he comes from Earth" and not all those other planets.

And it explains why in Matt 4 and Luke 4 -- Satan tells Christ "This world has been given to me and I give it to whomever I wish"

I do not see why our Bible should give us complete possibilities about the vast universe... its not an encyclopedia of knowledge about everything. Its about us and given to us, humans.

BobRyan · Jul 3, 2022

myst33 said:
I do not see why our Bible should give us complete possibilities about the vast universe... its not an encyclopedia of knowledge about everything. .

And yet it tells us that God made "the worlds" in Heb 11. So it is what it is. It is not hurting us to know that -

What would hurt us is someone showing up from beyond Earth with a bogus story to sell us , and then as Rev 13, 2 Thess 2, Matt 24 state -- all the world buys it.

trophy33 · Jul 3, 2022

BobRyan said:
And yet it tells us that God made "the worlds" in Heb 11. So it is what it is. It is not hurting us to know that -

What would hurt us is someone showing up from beyond Earth with a bogus story to sell us , and then as Rev 13, 2 Thess 2, Matt 24 state -- all the world buys it.

It can be also translated as "ages". But even if "worlds" are the right translation, it says nothing more than He is the creator of everything. No details.

BobRyan · Jul 3, 2022

myst33 said:
It can be also translated as "ages". But even if "worlds" are the right translation, it says nothing more than He is the creator of everything. No details.

WE have "the details" of "myriads and myriads" of them in Dan 7. We have "the details" of a group of them assembling and when one is asked "where do you come from" the answer is "Earth" , we have the "details" that God made the worlds (Heb 11) --- not just this one world (Heb 1:1-4).

We have no "detail" that Christ went to all those other worlds and died on the cross for them or that someone besides Lucifer and all his angels joined him in rebellion other than Adam and Eve. That info will turn out to be very helpful in the future.

trophy33 · Jul 3, 2022

BobRyan said:
WE have "the details" of "myriads and myriads" of them in Dan 7. We have "the details" of a group of them assembling and when one is asked "where do you come from" the answer is "Earth"

What translation of Dan 7 you use? Because the things are not there.

Dan 7 is about 4 main empires till Christ, Rome being the last one.

Thomas White · Jul 3, 2022

d taylor said:
The serpent is called an angel, where. I know satan is also called a dragon, but i see no other angel being anything but a man in The Bible.

So what was the serpent in the Garden? What was the burning bush?

Leaviathan · Jul 3, 2022

This Universe couldn't possibly be here just for the planet Earth, if only "we" have human life then everything else would be completely un-necessary. Mankind will never have the technology to venture out of our own Galaxy, venturing out of our own solar system would be difficult enough. I'm very confident life exists on other planets and they would be in different stages of development. Too many Christians take figurative scriptures too literally. Not everything is in the Bible, many things are meant to be discovered. Like Dinosaur bones, human skulls that are 50,000 years old. Science is not fake.

d taylor · Jul 3, 2022

Thomas White said:
So what was the serpent in the Garden? What was the burning bush?

Was the serpent an angel or was the serpent an animal who satan entered into or used for his deception.

If it was an angel why was it cursed and lost the ability to walk and was to crawl on its belly for the rest of its life. Or why would an angel have a life span and be named along with the You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;

Sorn · Jul 3, 2022

Leaviathan said:
This Universe couldn't possibly be here just for the planet Earth, if only "we" have human life then everything else would be completely un-necessary. Mankind will never have the technology to venture out of our own Galaxy, venturing out of our own solar system would be difficult enough. I'm very confident life exists on other planets and they would be in different stages of development. Too many Christians take figurative scriptures too literally. Not everything is in the Bible, many things are meant to be discovered. Like Dinosaur bones, human skulls that are 50,000 years old. Science is not fake.

This universe is here just for us. There are no aliens out there. Its us and whatever spiritual creatures /beings exist in the heavenly realm. When Gods plan for mans redemption has been completed, after Jesus 1000 year reign, then the bible makes it clear that God remakes the universe and both us and spiritual beings will reside in the same universe / dimension etc. We will of course have our resurrected / spiritual bodies by then though they will likely be some sort of combination of the 2 states, physical and spiritual. God's new creation may also include other universes, perhaps.

In truth, our universe, vast as it is, so vast that we only see a small portion of it, is probably not even 1% of 1% of what God can do and will do in the new Heavens and Earth.

Its there to speak to us about God's glory and creative power. This universe is our sandbox and ours alone until Gods plan is done.

Ligurian · Jul 3, 2022

d taylor said:
The king of the north (who is also Paul's man of sin and the beast out of the sea) is possessed by a past dead roman leader and when this happens after the king of the north is healed from his mortal wound. The king of the north becomes the beast out of the sea. The reason in the past for the belief in reincarnation

No thanks. Not a fan of Hodges, or that theory.

Ligurian · Jul 3, 2022

d taylor said:
Was the serpent an angel or was the serpent an animal who satan entered into or used for his deception.

If it was an angel why was it cursed and lost the ability to walk and was to crawl on its belly for the rest of its life. Or why would an angel have a life span and be named along with the You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;

And he's a dragon in the heavens... are there dragons waiting to be inhabited? Seems to be kind of a shape-shifter.

BobRyan · Jul 3, 2022

Sorn said:
This universe is here just for us. There are no aliens out there. .

interesting suggestion.

However the Bible says that aliens do exist -- since angels exist, both good ones and bad ones. No angel in the Bible says "I was created just for you".

That fact alone establishes aliens as fact.

Heb 1 tells us God created "the World" and Heb 11 tells us that in fact He "created the WORLDS"

BobRyan · Jul 3, 2022

BobRyan said:
WE have "the details" of "myriads and myriads" of them in Dan 7. We have "the details" of a group of them assembling and when one is asked "where do you come from" the answer is "Earth" , we have the "details" that God made the worlds (Heb 11) --- not just this one world (Heb 1:1-4).

We have no "detail" that Christ went to all those other worlds and died on the cross for them or that someone besides Lucifer and all his angels joined him in rebellion other than Adam and Eve. That info will turn out to be very helpful in the future.

myst33 said:
What translation of Dan 7 you use? Because the things are not there. .

On the contrary

NASB - vs 10 "“A river of fire was flowing
And coming out from before Him;
Thousands upon thousands were attending Him,
And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;
The court sat, And the books were opened.

BobRyan · Jul 3, 2022

d taylor said:
Was the serpent an angel or was the serpent an animal who satan entered into or used for his deception.

WE may need to ask him when he shows up in Rev 20 at the great white throne judgment - just before he is cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 12 calls Satan "the Serpent of old" -- a reference to Eden and the fall of man.

Sorn · Jul 3, 2022

BobRyan said:
interesting suggestion.

However the Bible says that aliens do exist -- since angels exist, both good ones and bad ones. No angel in the Bible says "I was created just for you".

That fact alone establishes aliens as fact.

Heb 1 tells us God created "the World" and Heb 11 tells us that in fact He "created the WORLDS"

Not sure if we have had this discussion before but i do not include angels in the set of aliens.

Aliens = physical biological beings made of the same matter as we are (even if not carbon based) that live on other planets in this universe and are intelligent, more or less, like us.

This allows for plant and some animal life elsewhere but nothing that could build a civilization, which is what most people would think of when thinking of aliens.

Angels are spiritual beings, another category altogether and i agree they exist.

trophy33 · Jul 4, 2022

BobRyan said:
On the contrary

NASB - vs 10 "“A river of fire was flowing
And coming out from before Him;
Thousands upon thousands were attending Him,
And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him;
The court sat, And the books were opened.

And who said that he is coming from Earth?

Or, better to say, what makes you to think this is something about UFO/Aliens?

Leaviathan · Jul 4, 2022

Sorn said:
This universe is here just for us. There are no aliens out there. Its us and whatever spiritual creatures /beings exist in the heavenly realm. When Gods plan for mans redemption has been completed, after Jesus 1000 year reign, then the bible makes it clear that God remakes the universe and both us and spiritual beings will reside in the same universe / dimension etc. We will of course have our resurrected / spiritual bodies by then though they will likely be some sort of combination of the 2 states, physical and spiritual. God's new creation may also include other universes, perhaps.

In truth, our universe, vast as it is, so vast that we only see a small portion of it, is probably not even 1% of 1% of what God can do and will do in the new Heavens and Earth.

Its there to speak to us about God's glory and creative power. This universe is our sandbox and ours alone until Gods plan is done.

So having faith that God exists is okay but faith that extra-terrestrials exist is a no no?

BobRyan · Jul 4, 2022

BobRyan said:
WE have "the details" of "myriads and myriads" of them in Dan 7. We have "the details" of a group of them assembling and when one is asked "where do you come from" the answer is "Earth" , we have the "details" that God made the worlds (Heb 11) --- not just this one world (Heb 1:1-4).

We have no "detail" that Christ went to all those other worlds and died on the cross for them or that someone besides Lucifer and all his angels joined him in rebellion other than Adam and Eve. That info will turn out to be very helpful in the future.

myst33 said:
And who said that he is coming from Earth?

Satan says "he came from Earth".. Job 1

trophy33 · Jul 5, 2022

BobRyan said:
Satan says "he came from Earth".. Job 1

The text in Job (if literal and not just metaphorical) is about spiritual beings . There is no indication in the text that its about some physical extraterrestrial beings (aliens).

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