Pastor Wants LGBTQ 'Indoctrinators' Executed for Treason

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So my point remains.



About treason? Ok...

Who cares?

Here's the real problem...reading comprehension. If anyone read the article, he thinks people are pushing children into LGBT lifestyles and that's abuse....and he thinks they should be charged with child abuse and face trial.

The stuff about treason doesn't have anything to do with it.

Now, I understand it's deliberately written to confuse the reader into thinking these are related...but they aren't. That's why the quotes only appear around words....not sentences.

If this man had said anything remotely similar to the title....the whole quote would be included.

It's not, because the point is to dupe gullible readers.
It's pretty ballsy to talk about "reading comprehension" and then demonstrate a complete lack of it.
""The LGBT transgender grooming [of] our children's minds is a national security threat because it is ultimately designed to destabilize the republic we call the United States of America," Burns said. "That's why, when I'm elected, I don't want to just vote. I want to start holding people accountable for treason to the Constitution."
my emphasis.


I mean, the quote is a quack.
 
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He the parents who support their LGBTQ children as treasonous.

Would you say those loving parents are treasonous?

...and that they should be hanged.

Let's not forget the executions... judgement's no fun if you don't get to kill someone...
 
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There are several in the linked article. One of the more interesting and funny ones is:



Every American Ever Convicted Of Treason (And What Happened Next) (grunge.com)

What makes the quote funny is that we didn't do it then even though there was not yet the constitutional restrictings that there are now (and have had since late in 1787).
Links don't always work as they're intended. In general I believe articles try to be helpful but this also shows the inability for said article to provide all the information necessary in a condensed format to make their point. Basically it is an easy way for a journalist to claim that it wasn't them and pass the blame to someone else in case they're caught not doing their job.

In regards to Burns I would like to believe his choice of words will be reflected in the vote. It's not something I would put up with if I was a voting member of the GOP.
 
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Are you advocating for some sort of one-child policy? If not, what do you propose should happen when mommy's belly starts growing and their younger siblings arrive? Explain that it was all a stork's doing?

My dad used to talk about his time in college where he met a fellow college student who still believed that babies were made by eating a watermelon seed and it was a watermelon growing in the belly that turned into a baby. As my dad tells it, this led him to join a group to help push sex education to be taught at the university, because there were a lot of sexually ignorant college students.

Based on the definition of "grooming" I'm seeing from some one here then pretty much all forms of media are grooming. All those shows for children that have mommies and daddies, where straight couples hold hands and kiss is all sexual grooming and therefore inappropriate for kids.

Who knew that Shrek in depicting a man and a woman falling in love and living happily ever after in a swamp was actually grooming children and indoctrinating them with heterosexuality.

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So that kind of thing could have turned you gay at that age?

Picture a boy the age of 6. He goes to school and is bombarded with LGBTQ curriculum. Comes home to a woke mother who tells him he's actually a girl and that he'll be on hormone blockers before he's a teenager. She then takes him out to a drag parade. He comes home and finishes off LGBTQ homework. And this continues, day in and day out.

All the while being incentivized to go along with it all and getting rewarded for doing so?

Are you going to tell me that all of these compounding factors are not going to have any impact whatsoever on the psychological, emotional, social and sexual development of that child?
 
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Picture a boy the age of 6. He goes to school and is bombarded with LGBTQ curriculum. Comes home to a woke mother who tells him he's actually a girl and that he'll be on hormone blockers before he's a teenager. She then takes him out to a drag parade. He comes home and finishes off LGBTQ homework. And this continues, day in and day out.

All the while being incentivized to go along with it all and getting rewarded for doing so?

Are you going to tell me that all of these compounding factors are not going to have any impact whatsoever on the psychological, emotional, social and sexual development of that child?

This has to be one of the dumbest things I have read in a long time. Tagging the post as a winner.
 
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This has to be one of the dumbest things I have read in a long time. Tagging the post as a winner.

Explain why my hypothetical is dumb? It literally describes the lives of many children today in America.
 
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Sure, because parents get to decide how to raise their children...not schools. Regardless, there's no test, nothing required of those attending. It's voluntary.

Up to a point... there are certain places where society draws a line on what parents can and can't do.

Yeah here's the thing...nobody can ever come up with a reason for teaching this stuff to little kids. I haven't seen one yet.

Whenever they do admit that the whole purpose is indoctrination....they don't seem to see the problem with that. It's not for the benefit of the students...it's for gay people.

For very young children, I would agree. Not because I have a particular objection to teaching the nuances with regards to LGBT topics, but primarily because of the age groups in question in some of the higher profile cases...and the fact that the intricacies of the subject are way over their heads in 99.9% of cases. I've always said, let's wait until after the kids are old enough to have the cognitive and reasoning ability to realize that Santa isn't real before we hit them with heavy subject matter.

Or, perhaps another way to put it, let's wait until someone can spell "homosexuality" or "transgender" before we start teaching them about it.

For instance, I was on board with the DeSantis-signed bill nixing it from k-3. (or as opponents of the bill misnamed it "Don't say Gay".)

In the context of a HS-level sociology class, I'd have no issue with it.

I don't think something has to be purely educational to offer societal benefit. For instance, if they taught a class about how slavery and Jim Crow laws were bad, and tried to curtail racist ideas some students may be getting at home, it would certainly be for the benefit of the Black people in the community more than it was "educational", but I would have no qualms with that.

Yeah I disagree. We have every right to decide whether teachers have overstepped their bounds. They don't have free license to indoctrinate your children. If they were teaching children that sex with adults is ok....surely you'd object. Your solution wouldn't be "start your own school" or pay thousands of extra dollars in tuition to send them to private schools.

"We" is a very vague concept, and when someone leverages it in the context of "We have the right to decide ... ", "We" almost always is a replacement for "me and specifically the other people who agree with me".

The reality is, everyone thinks their own position is the reasonable one...combine that with peers that agree with them, that just strengthens their position in their own mind.

There are locales in the country where the prevailing mindset, the "we", thinks that merely teaching evolution in a Jr. High science class would qualify as "atheist indoctrination"

I tend to favor a more balanced approach with regards to the public education curriculum, where parents have a seat at the table, but not necessarily the final say. And parents still do (in many areas) reserve the right to pull their kids from certain classes in elementary schools. I know that, because I was pulled from class (and sat in the cafeteria with 2 or 3 other kids) in 6th grade the 2 days they were going over sex ed.


While I'd certainly agree that the extreme example you provided of "if they were teaching children that sex with adults was okay" would constitute a situation where I'd pull my kid from class (if I had kids)... that doesn't validate the other extreme of "the parents who share the prevailing ideology/mindset of the community get to the have the final say on everything that's taught in school"...because they absolutely shouldn't.

There has to be some reasonable middle ground.

And on specific topics, given that public schools are state actors (and can't be setting policies favoring particular religion...or religion over non-religion), the onus should be on the objectors to provide a compelling, secular reason why they don't want a particular thing taught in school.

Quite frankly, some people are ignorant and very underinformed (people don't become exempt from that reality just because they procreated...an ability that almost everyone has)...there's no IQ test to become a parent.

When one takes a few steps back and actually considers the context of what they're saying, it becomes silly.

For instance, if the topic was 18th century history, most would readily admit "no, the average parent doesn't know as much about 18th century history as a person who's specifically studied history for years and years". Yet, they will assert that, for the broad concept of a "curriculum" (which is a bunch of varying subjects), that somehow parents should have a say in it because "they know what's best"

If an average parent is less likely to know as much about history as a history teacher, the odds are even slimmer that they'd know more about history than a history teacher AND more about science than a science teacher, simultaneously.
 
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Picture a boy the age of 6. He goes to school and is bombarded with LGBTQ curriculum. Comes home to a woke mother who tells him he's actually a girl and that he'll be on hormone blockers before he's a teenager. She then takes him out to a drag parade. He comes home and finishes off LGBTQ homework. And this continues, day in and day out.

All the while being incentivized to go along with it all and getting rewarded for doing so?

Are you going to tell me that all of these compounding factors are not going to have any impact whatsoever on the psychological, emotional, social and sexual development of that child?

i think you forgot to include the human sacrifice and cannibalism that the boy would be a routine part of. And his frequent abductions by space aliens
 
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Explain why my hypothetical is dumb? It literally describes the lives of many children today in America.

Your hypothetical is dumb because the scenario you stated does not happen.

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Picture a boy the age of 6. He goes to school and is bombarded with LGBTQ curriculum. Comes home to a woke mother who tells him he's actually a girl and that he'll be on hormone blockers before he's a teenager. She then takes him out to a drag parade. He comes home and finishes off LGBTQ homework. And this continues, day in and day out.

What is LGBTQ curriculum ? What is LGBTQ homework? I suspect you mean explanations provided as to why a classmate has two dads or two moms. Do you have any verifiable instances of a mom forcing their child to be on hormone blockers ? Since being gay or trans is not a lifestyle that someone subscribes to, but is who they are, I reject your assertion that a woke mother is going to force her child to be someone he/she is not.

All the while being incentivized to go along with it all and getting rewarded for doing so?

How does this incentivization work ? Do they get an "Absolutely Fabulous" badge or something ?

Are you going to tell me that all of these compounding factors are not going to have any impact whatsoever on the psychological, emotional, social and sexual development of that child?

Since your scenario does not happen, I am going to say your scenario does not have any impact.

I used to be homophobic when I was in my late teens to early 20s. What changed my mind was that I opened my mind and spoke to gay people. I suggest you do the same.
 
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For very young children, I would agree. Not because I have a particular objection to teaching the nuances with regards to LGBT topics, but primarily because of the age groups in question in some of the higher profile cases...and the fact that the intricacies of the subject are way over their heads in 99.9% of cases. I've always said, let's wait until after the kids are old enough to have the cognitive and reasoning ability to realize that Santa isn't real before we hit them with heavy subject matter.

It really depends on what is being taught. For example, if a student has 2 dads/moms, and a child asks a question regarding that, there should be a reasonable answer to that question.
 
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It really depends on what is being taught. For example, if a student has 2 dads/moms, and a child asks a question regarding that, there should be a reasonable answer to that question.

And that's fine...the legislative efforts (like the high profile ones in Florida) weren't restricting students from talking about their home life. They were aimed at "teacher-led instruction in K-3".

And that's an important distinction.

Perhaps I'm dating myself (and I'm 38, but I know a lot has changed in the 20 years since I graduated from school)

...I don't think ever even knew whether or not my teachers were married or in romantic relationships in K-3. It just wasn't something that ever came up.

There's a big difference between "my husband and I went to vermont over summer break" and "instruction". With regards to the Florida bill, many on the left fell into the trap that Ruy Teixeira (a self proclaimed leftist and liberal advocate) described

The Fox News Fallacy


There is a reasonable middle ground on these subjects, I just don't know that we've found it yet.

For instance, I don't think punishing a teacher for identifying themselves as gay/trans it's suitable, but neither would be classroom instruction on the intricacies of sexual identities to 9 year olds.
 
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Picture a boy the age of 6. He goes to school and is bombarded with LGBTQ curriculum. Comes home to a woke mother who tells him he's actually a girl and that he'll be on hormone blockers before he's a teenager. She then takes him out to a drag parade. He comes home and finishes off LGBTQ homework. And this continues, day in and day out.

All the while being incentivized to go along with it all and getting rewarded for doing so?

Are you going to tell me that all of these compounding factors are not going to have any impact whatsoever on the psychological, emotional, social and sexual development of that child?
You know exactly nobody anywhere near LGBTQ do you? This reads like a 1920s anticannabis as devoid of fact bathed salacious rumour and fear.
 
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You know exactly nobody anywhere near LGBTQ do you? This reads like a 1920s anticannabis as devoid of fact bathed salacious rumour and fear.

It's not a common example but it is entirely possible for this scenario to exist in 2022. Why deny it?
 
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It's not a common example but it is entirely possible for this scenario to exist in 2022. Why deny it?

It's a monstrous parody. It cannot be sensibly addressed. You are excluding yourself from any reasonable discussion by presenting it.
 
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Picture a boy the age of 6. He goes to school and is bombarded with LGBTQ curriculum. Comes home to a woke mother who tells him he's actually a girl and that he'll be on hormone blockers before he's a teenager. She then takes him out to a drag parade. He comes home and finishes off LGBTQ homework. And this continues, day in and day out.

All the while being incentivized to go along with it all and getting rewarded for doing so?

Are you going to tell me that all of these compounding factors are not going to have any impact whatsoever on the psychological, emotional, social and sexual development of that child?

As long as you're siding with the pastor, who gets executed first? The teacher, or the mother?
 
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It's not a common example but it is entirely possible for this scenario to exist in 2022. Why deny it?

So who gets executed first?
 
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