Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

Ceallaigh · Jan 25, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
And what do the scriptures say? (See post # 110 linked; post 114 linked and post # 115 linked). Here are some further supporting scriptures that might be helpful in your study provided here *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 3:6-9.

We keep asking you to tell us what they say. You keep evading the question by asking us to tell you what they say. I'm not into prolonged cat and mouse games, so until you answer the question with a definitive answer, I'm not going to continue with this.

Ceallaigh · Jan 25, 2022

BobRyan said:
Most would say you have to quote something first to make that claim.

In that case I'll ask you the question and then quote your answer. Are those who don't keep the Saturday sabbath saved?

Danthemailman · Jan 25, 2022

Carl Emerson said:
We get the message - only Seventh day Sabbath keepers go to heaven.

Sad...

That is the primary focus of the SDA gospel in a nutshell.

Ceallaigh · Jan 25, 2022

Danthemailman said:
That is the primary focus of the SDA gospel in a nutshell.

That's abundantly clear. Which is fine. Others put stipulations on salvation, like saying those who aren't baptized aren't saved as one example. Although others usually give a clear answer about what they believe when asked. Not getting a clear answer is the problem here.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 25, 2022

Danthemailman said:
That is the primary focus of the SDA gospel in a nutshell.

That is simply not true or what we believe at all .

LoveGodsWord · Jan 25, 2022

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ And what do the scriptures say? (See post # 110 linked; post 114 linked and post # 115 linked). Here are some further supporting scriptures that might be helpful in your study provided here *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 3:6-9.

Your response here...

MMXX said:
We keep asking you to tell us what they say. You keep evading the question by asking us to tell you what they say. I'm not into prolonged cat and mouse games, so until you answer the question with a definitive answer, I'm not going to continue with this.

Your post and claims here have no truth in them, which is demonstrated in the very post you are responding to which is evidence that shows what your posting here in your accusations is not truthful. Please read the post you are responding to before posting. If you disagree with the three linked posts that have already answered your questions with scripture and further supporting scripture perhaps you can prove why you think your question has not been answered and address the post and scripture content shared with you that show your question has been clearly answered. Perhaps you did not like the answer provided from the scriptures which is why you do not want to discuss them with me? Anyhow if you do not want to discuss the scriptures shared with you and my posts that disagree with you then you do not have to if you do not want to as that is between you and God and we can agree to disagree. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all get together for a friendly and prayerful chat about what the scriptures say? I think this is the best place to focus our energy in this discussion don't you?

Take Care Brian

Ceallaigh · Jan 25, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Your response here...

Your post and claims have no truth in them, which is demonstrated in the very post you are responding to as evidence that shows what your posting is not true. Please read the post you are responding to before posting. If you disagree with the three linked posts that answer your questions with scripture and further supporting scripture perhaps you can prove why your question has not been answered when it clearly has been. Perhaps you did not like the answer provided from the scriptures which is why you do not want to discuss them with me?

Take Care

Anybody can see in your quote and my quote that you provided, that when you are asked what the scriptures you're using say, you answer the question by asking the question you were asked. Calling me a liar doesn't change that.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 25, 2022

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ And what do the scriptures say? (See post # 110 linked; post 114 linked and post # 115 linked). Here are some further supporting scriptures that might be helpful in your study provided here *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 3:6-9.

Your response here...

MMXX said:
Anybody can see in your quote and my quote that you provided, that when you are asked what the scriptures you're using say, you answer the question by asking the question you were asked. Calling me a liar doesn't change that.

Which is why I provided the above post as evidence to show that what your saying is not true. It is there for all to see. I will let my linked posts provided as evidence and the scriptures that have been provided do the talking for me as they are God's Words not mine. I have not called you anything and of course you are free to believe whatever you wish and ignore my posts and scripture shared with you if you want to as that is up to you. That being the case we will agree to disagree dear friend.

Take Care.

Ceallaigh · Jan 25, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Your response here...

Which is why I provided the above post as evidence to show that what your saying is not true. It is there for all to see. I will let my linked posts provided as evidence and the scriptures that have been provided do the talking for me. I have not called you anything and of course you are free to believe whatever you wish.

You tell me, according to the scripture you provided, are Christians who don't keep the Saturday sabbath saved?

klutedavid · Jan 25, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Well that is my point. There is no scripture that supports the man-made teaching and tradition that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day". Sunday as "the Lords day" is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from Gods' and His Word and is not supported in the scriptures. It is against the very teachings of Jesus which we are warned not to do in Matthew 15:3-9.

Take Care.

The apostles had witnessed that Jesus was, in fact, risen on the first day of the week. The apostles do not state the time that Jesus rose.

So since the very beginning, we have gathered to celebrate the risen Christ. We celebrate the risen Christ by the breaking of the bread. We don't gather to rest after six days of work.

Acts 15 declares to all Gentile Christians that they are not under the yoke of the law.

The Sabbath was listed within the law of Moses and the law of Moses became null and void.

The Sabbath was a shadow of the future and eternal rest, that Christ would grant to those that believe.

We are members of a New Covenant that is not based on the book of the law, as the Old Covenant was. The New Covenant is based solely on the shed blood of the Christ.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 25, 2022

MMXX said:
You tell me, according to the scripture you provided, are Christians who don't keep the Saturday sabbath saved?

Already did. Read post # 110 linked; post 114 linked and post # 115 linked. Here are some further supporting scriptures that might be helpful in your study provided here *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 3:6-9. If you still don't know perhaps you can pray about it.

Take care Brian

LoveGodsWord · Jan 25, 2022

klutedavid said:
The apostles had witnessed that Jesus was, in fact, risen on the first day of the week. The apostles do not state the time that Jesus rose.

So since the very beginning, we have gathered to celebrate the risen Christ. We celebrate the risen Christ by the breaking of the bread. We don't gather to rest after six days of work.

Acts 15 declares to all Gentile Christians that they are not under the yoke of the law.

The Sabbath was listed within the law of Moses and the law of Moses became null and void.

The Sabbath was a shadow of the future and eternal rest, that Christ would grant to those that believe.

We are members of a New Covenant that is not based on the book of the law, as the Old Covenant was. The New Covenant is based solely on the shed blood of the Christ.

You have provided your opinion unsupported by scripture. You have provided no scripture that shows that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day". Acts 15 is talking about the question "is circumcision a requirement for salvation (Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2) and has nothing to do with the OP or anyone of God's 10 commandments. There is not a single scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment of God's 10 commandments that gives us a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition invented by the early Church that has led many away from Gods' Word to break God's 4th commandment. According to Jesus if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. This then begs the question who do we believe and follow and worship; God or man? Something to pray about. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29 according to the scriptures. Our opinions do not really matter much in Gods eyes.

Take Care.

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Already did. Read post # 110 linked; post 114 linked and post # 115 linked. Here are some further supporting scriptures that might be helpful in your study provided here *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 3:6-9. If you still don't know perhaps you can pray about it.

Please tell me in your own words, without referring to other posts, according to the scripture you provided, are Christians who don't keep the Saturday sabbath saved?

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2022

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Already did. Read post # 110 linked; post 114 linked and post # 115 linked. Here are some further supporting scriptures that might be helpful in your study provided here *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 3:6-9. If you still don't know perhaps you can pray about it.

Your response here...

MMXX said:
Please tell me in your own words, without referring to other posts, according to the scripture you provided, are Christians who don't keep the Saturday sabbath saved?

I did. Read the post you are quoting from.

Carl Emerson · Jan 26, 2022

Lets assume I am damned if I don't keep the Sabbath...

So this is getting real serious - hell awaits...

Right... what day is the Sabbath.

Quick research - the calendar has changed several times - which is the seventh day?

Do I go by the Georgian calendar, maybe the Hebrew Calendar, whoops we lost 10 days in 1752...

Then where am I on earth - If I get this wrong it's toast...

Worse if I am on the international space station trying to calculate the time zone.

I have a 1 in 7 chance of getting this right - talk about Russian roulette...

Does God really care about the day ???

Is 1 rest day in 7 near enough? (as long as it isnt Sunday) we know thats definitely wrong...

Wait the Romans had an 8 day week.

Maybe God only likes those with a degree in Maths and History...

Please pray for me... :scratch:

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2022

Carl Emerson said:
Lets assume I am damned if I don't keep the Sabbath...

So this is getting real serious - hell awaits...

Right... what day is the Sabbath.

Quick research - the calendar has changed several times - which is the seventh day?

Do I go by the Georgian calendar, maybe the Hebrew Calendar, whoops we lost 10 days in 1752...

Then where am I on earth - If I get this wrong it's toast...

Worse if I am on the international space station trying to calculate the time zone.

I have a 1 in 7 chance of getting this right - talk about Russian roulette...

Does God really care about the day ???

Is 1 rest day in 7 near enough? (as long as it isnt Sunday) we know thats definitely wrong...

Wait the Romans had an 8 day week.

Maybe God only likes those with a degree in Maths and History...

Please pray for me...

Carl I pray for everyone here. Perhaps this might help. Please tell me if someone is living in a life of known unrepentant sin as a mass murderer breaking God's 6th commandment *Exodus 20:13 are they in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God? (see Hebrews 10:26-31). According to the scriptures sin is breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23). It is sin that is the problem just like committing adultery, lying, stealing committing murder, taking God's name in vain, making idols and worshiping them, having other Gods and breaking Gods' Sabbath etc etc *see Romans 13:8-10. God's Word says that God's 4th commandment Sabbath is "the seventh day" because it is a memorial of God a the creator of Heaven and earth that Jesus is Lord over (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27-28). It is not one day in seven. The "seventh day" is the Sabbath according to God's own words *Exodus 20:10 because on the "seventh day" God blessed and made "the seventh day" a holy day of rest according to Genesis 2:1-3 because God rested from all His work of creation and commands us to keep it as a holy day and memorial for all mankind that shows that God is the only true God of creation and a celebration that God is the creator of heaven and earth.

Take Care.

ViaCrucis · Jan 26, 2022

Torah Keeper said:
So why are you Lutheran then? If you believe the original Christian church is infallible, shouldn't you be Orthodox, or Roman Catholic, or Messianic? Why say what you just said yet be part of a denomination that did not exist until the 16th century? You seem to contradict yourself here. Yeshua was born a Jew, lived a Jew, died a Jew, and was resurrected a Jew. Christianity was a sect of Judaism. So when you talk about the gates of Hades not prevailing, that is not against the Roman Catholic church, as it did not exist until the 4th century. The original church is Messianic Jews.

Messianic Judaism didn't exist until the 20th century. So, let's not play that game.

-CryptoLutheran

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Your response here...

I did. Read the post you are quoting from.

I asked you:

Please tell me in your own words, without referring to other posts, according to the scripture you provided, are Christians who don't keep the Saturday sabbath saved?

And you answered by referring to other posts. Instead of giving a direct answer.

Carl Emerson · Jan 26, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
if someone is living in a life of known unrepentant sin

Yes I would have a problem with that - as we all would.

The problem is that one cant repent without conviction and conviction comes from the Holy Spirit...

... And the Holy Spirit speaks God's living Word -the Logos - Jesus.

Sometimes He uses the Bible to get through to us - sometimes not.

In my experience when it happens you know that you know...

The Greeks called it Epi-gnosis.

So the key is to have an open heart.

I hear the Lord a lot, you can read my testimony thread here...

Jesus's Ministry

I was in Israel for a while and kept the Saturday Sabbath - It was lovely - I carried a bag one day by mistake and had rocks thrown at me...

It was a season for a reason.

Back home in NZ I get plenty of rest - I pace myself as at 75 my strength has diminished. (but not my spirit.) I worship every day - I am in a remote rural location - I pray for the sick and they are often healed. Life is a celebration of His goodness, I am deeply thankful to Jesus.

Sabbath Rest for me is continuous as He promised. But each day I rest in Him anyway - there is no other way to live.

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2022

LoveGodsWord said:
Carl I pray for everyone here. Perhaps this might help. Please tell me if someone is living in a life of known unrepentant sin as a mass murderer Please tell me in your own words, without referring to other posts, according to the scripture you provided, are Christians who don't keep the Saturday sabbath saved? God's 6th commandment *Exodus 20:13 are they in a saved state with God or an unsaved state with God? (see Hebrews 10:26-31). According to the scriptures sin is breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23). It is sin that is the problem just like committing adultery, lying, stealing committing murder, taking God's name in vain, making idols and worshiping them, having other Gods and breaking Gods' Sabbath etc etc *see Romans 13:8-10. God's Word says that God's 4th commandment Sabbath is "the seventh day" because it is a memorial of God a the creator of Heaven and earth that Jesus is Lord over (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27-28). It is not one day in seven. The "seventh day" is the Sabbath according to God's own words *Exodus 20:10 because on the "seventh day" God blessed and made "the seventh day" a holy day of rest according to Genesis 2:1-3 because God rested from all His work of creation and commands us to keep it as a holy day and memorial for all mankind that shows that God is the only true God of creation and a celebration that God is the creator of heaven and earth.

Take Care.

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Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

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