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I have noticed a generalization within conservative Christians. There is a "glass half empty" perspective. Such people will talk about how they are willing to die for their religious beliefs. The focus seems to be almost on wanting to be persecuted to prove it, especially in the US, where Christmas decorations are already going up.

As a "glass half full" person, dying for my beliefs would be easy. Living for Christ is much more difficult. It's hard to turn the other cheek when yours has been slapped, and not retaliate, but forgive, and pray for your enemy. It is difficult to love your neighbor as yourself, giving to someone who is hungry, knowing you have to have faith that it comes back to you. When you have seen people mock others wearing masks to prevent Covid get Covid themselves, it is difficult to show mercy, rather than gloat about poetic justice, and pray for their recovery. yIt is difficult to humble oneself before another, and admit you are a sinner as well, rather than point to another and call them sinner with self righteousness.

What I see in the conservative is a world they constantly say is "like the days of Noah." I'm unsure what they are referring to, because 200 years ago, we thought slavery, and the whipping and rape of those slaves, just. We abused the bible to justify it. In the 50s, we had no problem segregating even our churches.

One may point to gay marriage as an attack on Christianity, but could we then not argue that any religion in a country that has that Freedom is an attack on Christianity? If tolerance is the same as approval, To be Muslim violates yhe 10 Commandments. To tolerate another religion, using that logic, then endorses any other religion.

Looking at issues historically, Anita Bryant claimed (or better said, deceived others) that discriminating against gay people in housing, employment, and health care was "Saving Our Children." I don't know anyone who looks back at that, and believes she was on the right side, fighting for injustice and oppression.

And because all of this negativity is the mindset, you will hear "Come quickly, Lord Jesus, and soon," and it comes off as, "i'm scared, daddy. Come get me." From my view, I would much rather try to bring heaven to earth. Christ was not constantly crying to the father to end it already. He was living by example. My sister's family spend part of their vacation working wth Habitat for Humanity. I don't think in the days of Noah people were actually working towards a solution for homeless people, and volunteering their time.

"If you want to see how awful the world is, just open the newspaper." But we only report bad news. Was my sister's family in the news? No. During the pandemic, a video went viral of a woman hoarding toilet paper. Meanwhile, I worked at Trader Joe's, where the overwhelming thing I saw were people shopping for their elderly neighbors. Even those buying tp would say, "you only have one butt. Worse case scenario - jump in the shower."

There is a saying: Don't be so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good. Or as another had said: If you are really focused on the after party, you can't enjoy the main event.

So, from my view, skewed or not, I see a very big log in the eye of the conservative, one that makes them appear to be a modern day Pharisee, focusing on the sins only of others, focusing on minor issues than ones of justice, equality, and fairness. Rather than the joy of the Lord, I see self righteousness, and fear.

I say this not in judgement, but that is my view as a Christian. I can only imagine how it appears to a nonChristian. I open this thread as a means of understanding one another, of building a bridge of communication, an opportunity for self reflection, and just understand a different viewpoint.

So please, don't get defensive, but listen, and then respond.

In watching a video on Christian Hypocrisy, the woman gets defensive: "Isn't everyone a little hypocritical? Why single out Christians?" She has a point. But aren't we supposed to differentiate ourselves? Rather than coming at it from a Christian point of view, she chooses an worldly view. I remember an atheist once was ready to get into it with me, thinking I was part of the group street preaching, said to me, Christians are hypocritical!" Rather than get defensive, I said, "What makes you say that?" He said, "They preach about God's mercy and forgiveness, and turn around and condemn people." I said, "I hear that Some of the meanest people I have ever encountered call themselves Christians." And suddenly, we weren't enemies. He knew I was not there to puff up my own ego, was not there to have a debate about who is right, to demand he listen to me but refuse to listen to him. We saw each other as human beings. I acknowledge that the christians are to be known by our love, and we aren't, and maybe we need self reflection, and prayer time with the HS to look at why. I acknowledged the truth of what he saw, and in doing so, allowed him to see that there are other kinds of Christians, too.

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I think a lot of Western Christians have a distorted view of what it means and feels like to be persecuted… Western publications use somewhat romanticized, dramatized stories of persecution to make persecution sound daring, exciting, and faith-building, basically to inspire and get money from very safe, very well-off Western Christians.

Truth be told, persecution is very difficult. It will test your faith, mental health, capacity to forgive, sanity, physical health, and sense of what God is doing in your life. It is very hard. It is not fun, romantic, exciting, or interesting.

I think it is best to talk less, listen more. It’s incredibly easy to talk. It is harder to listen, dialogue, wait, and pray.
 
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It is not fun, romantic, exciting, or interesting.
I doubt anyone in North America can even comprehend what some people in Afghanistan or the rebel filled countries of Africa are going through. We have no concept of every day being a struggle for life against fellow man. We can only comprehend through our own uneducated eyes simply because we are incapable of seeing things through theirs.
 
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What I see in the conservative is a world they constantly say is "like the days of Noah." I'm unsure what they are referring to, because 200 years ago, we thought slavery, and the whipping and rape of those slaves, just. We abused the bible to justify it. In the 50s, we had no problem segregating even our churches.

I do take some things seriously. Like I did not like what I saw going on in Canada with their extreme lockdown and other rules against the churches, not to mention all their other Draconian measurers against Covid. They were giving out tickets to people who were doing recreation outside, that were half a mile or more from the next nearest other person! So I did support that one Canadian pastor last Easter/Pascha.



I will say, I have been appalled at some things. I care about some of the "war on Christmas" stuff. 14 or 15 years when Bill Orielly was the top dog at Fox News reporting how stores were not saying Merry Christmas there was much serious stories going on. This is back the Christmas of 2005, or 2006.


There has been a long history of persecution of Christianity in Egypt. Basically Muslims laid siege to the biggest church of Cairo because they coerced a conversion from the head Coptic priests wife. For 3-4 months they laid siege to it with a mob with torches threatening to burn it down if the woman was not freed to go to the mosque. But the corrupt Egyptian police would not let them get away with that if people were inside, they would however look the other way on other kinds of crime like arson. What made this situation even worse is that Christians are heavily restricted when it comes to building and repairing a church. Even doing routine maintence stuff like replacing a burned out light bulb they are suppose to file a permission application for that while Muslims can do pretty much whatever they want as far as building mosques, blasting calls to prayer before dawn etc.


So yeah you got to keep things in perspective. But I do care about some of this culture wars stuff some liberal groups in Canada, San Francisco have done some outrageous protests right in the middle of worship services, public prayer services outside like the National Day of Prayer, where it is just naked trolling and disruption of people exercising their right to meet for worship.
 
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What I see in the conservative is a world they constantly say is "like the days of Noah."
There are conservatives like that, but it's not all conservatives. I'm conservative and I'm not like that.

From my view, I would much rather try to bring heaven to earth. Christ was not constantly crying to the father to end it already. He was living by example. My sister's family spend part of their vacation working wth Habitat for Humanity. I don't think in the days of Noah people were actually working towards a solution for homeless people, and volunteering their time.
I happen to recall adoption agencies in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Michigan that were attempting to solve the problem of orphans who didn't have a mother and a father being forced to close by mandate because they didn't wish to put the orphans in homes with two mothers or two fathers. Should they have been allowed to remain open and continue to operate as they had previously?

Meanwhile, I worked at Trader Joe's, where the overwhelming thing I saw were people shopping for their elderly neighbors. Even those buying tp would say, "you only have one butt. Worse case scenario - jump in the shower."
Do you know if these people were conservative or liberal? If so, what is the basis for this knowledge?
 
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Looking at issues historically, Anita Bryant claimed (or better said, deceived others) that discriminating against gay people in housing, employment, and health care was "Saving Our Children." I don't know anyone who looks back at that, and believes she was on the right side, fighting for injustice and oppression.



We can assume there's not many fish in the sea if the fish on your line is over 50 years old.
 
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I have noticed a generalization within conservative Christians. There is a "glass half empty" perspective. Such people will talk about how they are willing to die for their religious beliefs. The focus seems to be almost on wanting to be persecuted to prove it, especially in the US, where Christmas decorations are already going up.
First, to describe this or them as "conservative" is very much open to question. Second, the main reason the people you have in mind think in the terms you are describing--to the extent that they really do so--is because they emphasize the Second Coming, it being immanent, and the resultant end of the age. Christians who are amillennialists are not much like that, for instance.

As a "glass half full" person, dying for my beliefs would be easy. Living for Christ is much more difficult. It's hard to turn the other cheek when yours has been slapped, and not retaliate, but forgive, and pray for your enemy. It is difficult to love your neighbor as yourself, giving to someone who is hungry, knowing you have to have faith that it comes back to you.
I don't see much evidence that shows people who believe in the immanent end of this age to be disinterested in the same acts of mercy that other Christians are concerned to perform.

When you have seen people mock others wearing masks to prevent Covid get Covid themselves, it is difficult to show mercy, rather than gloat about poetic justice, and pray for their recovery.
We seem now to have gotten to the real purpose behind creating this thread. :rolleyes:
 
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There are conservatives like that, but it's not all conservatives. I'm conservative and I'm not like that.


I happen to recall adoption agencies in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Michigan that were attempting to solve the problem of orphans who didn't have a mother and a father being forced to close by mandate because they didn't wish to put the orphans in homes with two mothers or two fathers. Should they have been allowed to remain open and continue to operate as they had previously?
none of those states forced any adoption agency to close. Those states have said that if an adoption agency wants to contract with that state for adoption and foster care services then they can't discriminate against minorities when it comes to applying to be adoptive parents.
 
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I have noticed a generalization within conservative Christians. There is a "glass half empty" perspective. Such people will talk about how they are willing to die for their religious beliefs. The focus seems to be almost on wanting to be persecuted to prove it, especially in the US, where Christmas decorations are already going up.

As a "glass half full" person, dying for my beliefs would be easy. Living for Christ is much more difficult. It's hard to turn the other cheek when yours has been slapped, and not retaliate, but forgive, and pray for your enemy. It is difficult to love your neighbor as yourself, giving to someone who is hungry, knowing you have to have faith that it comes back to you. When you have seen people mock others wearing masks to prevent Covid get Covid themselves, it is difficult to show mercy, rather than gloat about poetic justice, and pray for their recovery. yIt is difficult to humble oneself before another, and admit you are a sinner as well, rather than point to another and call them sinner with self righteousness.

What I see in the conservative is a world they constantly say is "like the days of Noah." I'm unsure what they are referring to, because 200 years ago, we thought slavery, and the whipping and rape of those slaves, just. We abused the bible to justify it. In the 50s, we had no problem segregating even our churches.

One may point to gay marriage as an attack on Christianity, but could we then not argue that any religion in a country that has that Freedom is an attack on Christianity? If tolerance is the same as approval, To be Muslim violates yhe 10 Commandments. To tolerate another religion, using that logic, then endorses any other religion.

Looking at issues historically, Anita Bryant claimed (or better said, deceived others) that discriminating against gay people in housing, employment, and health care was "Saving Our Children." I don't know anyone who looks back at that, and believes she was on the right side, fighting for injustice and oppression.

And because all of this negativity is the mindset, you will hear "Come quickly, Lord Jesus, and soon," and it comes off as, "i'm scared, daddy. Come get me." From my view, I would much rather try to bring heaven to earth. Christ was not constantly crying to the father to end it already. He was living by example. My sister's family spend part of their vacation working wth Habitat for Humanity. I don't think in the days of Noah people were actually working towards a solution for homeless people, and volunteering their time.

"If you want to see how awful the world is, just open the newspaper." But we only report bad news. Was my sister's family in the news? No. During the pandemic, a video went viral of a woman hoarding toilet paper. Meanwhile, I worked at Trader Joe's, where the overwhelming thing I saw were people shopping for their elderly neighbors. Even those buying tp would say, "you only have one butt. Worse case scenario - jump in the shower."

There is a saying: Don't be so heavenly minded that you are no earthly good. Or as another had said: If you are really focused on the after party, you can't enjoy the main event.

So, from my view, skewed or not, I see a very big log in the eye of the conservative, one that makes them appear to be a modern day Pharisee, focusing on the sins only of others, focusing on minor issues than ones of justice, equality, and fairness. Rather than the joy of the Lord, I see self righteousness, and fear.

I say this not in judgement, but that is my view as a Christian. I can only imagine how it appears to a nonChristian. I open this thread as a means of understanding one another, of building a bridge of communication, an opportunity for self reflection, and just understand a different viewpoint.

So please, don't get defensive, but listen, and then respond.

In watching a video on Christian Hypocrisy, the woman gets defensive: "Isn't everyone a little hypocritical? Why single out Christians?" She has a point. But aren't we supposed to differentiate ourselves? Rather than coming at it from a Christian point of view, she chooses an worldly view. I remember an atheist once was ready to get into it with me, thinking I was part of the group street preaching, said to me, Christians are hypocritical!" Rather than get defensive, I said, "What makes you say that?" He said, "They preach about God's mercy and forgiveness, and turn around and condemn people." I said, "I hear that Some of the meanest people I have ever encountered call themselves Christians." And suddenly, we weren't enemies. He knew I was not there to puff up my own ego, was not there to have a debate about who is right, to demand he listen to me but refuse to listen to him. We saw each other as human beings. I acknowledge that the christians are to be known by our love, and we aren't, and maybe we need self reflection, and prayer time with the HS to look at why. I acknowledged the truth of what he saw, and in doing so, allowed him to see that there are other kinds of Christians, too.

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I agree that if we want to understand other people we must listen to them and not attack them. I wish everyone agreed with that idea and then actually listened to other people instead of attacking them after agreeing with the idea that we should listen rather than attack.
 
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