Under the New Covenant, where is the Biblical text for Worshipping on a particular day (ie Sunday)

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Yes, that is exactly what the New Testament states. The entire Old Testament was the shadow, a massive prophecy, pointing to the only one who could meet it's impossible demands. Jesus arrived to fulfill the law, to accomplish everything that only The Creator could do.

That is a popular religious philosophy in the religions Jesus said to "take Heed of". But it isn't what Jesus taught. And to believe God placed Laws on the shoulders of men, and then lied to them about their ability to obey, is another popular religious doctrine, but it is also a falsehood.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The preaching that Jesus has already fulfilled all that was written about Him in the Law and Prophets is Absurd. And yet, religious men, in the religions of this world, preach exactly that. Even the Word's of Jesus Himself expose the falsehood in that religious philosophy.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

If you don't understand or believe these Words of the Christ, then you don't know Him. At least not the Jesus of the Bible.
 
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The law points the Jews to Jesus, ultimately, the law leads the Jews to Jesus.

What Law? Listen to Paul's Word's here.

Gal. 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Why did they "receive the spirit" but the Pharisees who were bewitching them did not.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

So is Peter a liar here? Or are you not understanding Paul?

I'll ask you a question. Before Jesus came, how was a Jew who sinned, reconciled to God? Did God command the Jew to "Keep the Sabbath, and your sins are forgiven? Did God tell them if a man sins, he shall not steal, and his sins are forgiven?

No David, before Jesus came, a Jew who sinned were told to bring a bull or goat to the Levite Priest, and kill it. And the Priest would take the animals blood on his finger and sprinkle it on the alter. That is how a man was cleansed, or "made righteous" before Jesus came as per the Added "LAW", or covenant with Levi.

Since the Pharisees didn't believe Jesus was their prophesied New High Priest, "After the order of Melchizedek ", they were still promoting the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for atonement.

This is the "LAW" Abraham didn't have, but was ADDED 430 years after Abrahm obeyed god's Laws, Statutes, and Commandments.. This is the LAW that was "ADDED" because Transgressions, "Till the Seed Should Come". This is the LAW that was to lead the Jews to their true High Priest, as it did for Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, and many others.

Don't fall for the mainstream preachers of our time religious philosophy that God didn't "ADD" His Laws, Commandments, and Statutes until 430 years after Abraham obeyed them.

HE Added this Priesthood, till the true High Priest should come.

Ask yourself.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was "added" because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

What was this LAW added to? Because of transgression of what?

Consider Jeremiah, who is the Prophet who told us about the Prophesied New Covenant in the first place.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

So why did God "ADD" the Priesthood regarding atonement?

24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

He ADDED them "Because of Transgressions".

It's right there in your own Bible. We have just been influenced by the religions of the land we were born into, just as the Jews in Jesus' Time were influenced by the Pharisees who "Taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men".

I hope you might consider what is actually written.
 
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The law points the Jews to Jesus, ultimately, the law leads the Jews to Jesus.

hmmm interesting doctrine. As a point of logic,

if the law does not save anyone, how then can the law lead anyone (Jew or Gentile) to Jesus?

Keeping the Commandments are the fruits of our conversion and salvation...not the other way around. The opposite is salvation by works...and that is dead!

Secondly,


Galations 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all o ne in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and "heirs" according to the promise


You see the problem with your view yes?
 
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Gentiles never had the law but Gentiles are included in the grace of God.
Grace covers those under the law of Moses (Israel) and those apart from the law (Gentile nations).

Grace means undeserved favor by God. One does not need to know the law to receive grace.

Shavua tov! Again, if there is no law then there is no sin (because sin is the transgression of the law) and no need of grace...
 
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Shavua tov! Again, if there is no law then there is no sin (because sin is the transgression of the law) and no need of grace...
agreed 100%
Also, Paul says we inherit all that was given to Abraham (not Abram because his name changed after Isaac which is crucial to the birthright).
And since there is no difference between Jew and Gentile, we are all one in Christ Jesus, it is a fallacy to say, we are not under the Jewish inheritance (birthright). So that means the Law absolutely applies to Gentiles!

It is also ridiculous to say the early apostles kept Sunday. History tells us that the reason the Gentiles started Sunday worship was to distance themselves from the Jews because of fear of persecution from the Romans (which ultimately ended up in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple).
 
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agreed 100%
Also, Paul says we inherit all that was given to Abraham (not Abram because his name changed after Isaac which is crucial to the birthright).

It is also ridiculous to say the early apostles kept Sunday. History tells us that the reason the Gentiles started Sunday worship was to distance themselves from the Jews because of fear of persecution from the Romans (which ultimately ended up in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple).

Part of The Name (YHVH) was added to both AbraHam and SaraH (the Hey was added). Sunday (the first of the week) was added to commemorate Yeshua's resurrection, but Sunday is NOT the Sabbath. You do know that all of our first Bishops in Jerusalem were all Jews, Yaakov (James) being the first, until 135 AD and the edict of Hadrian? Hadrian passed laws forbidding circumcision, the keeping of the Sabbath, the study of Torah, etc...so gentile Greek bishops had to be installed...
 
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To date you have rejected the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi on Mt. Sinai. You refuse to even acknowledge it. And you reject God's Own Definition of HIS OWN New Covenant which I have posted for you many times.
Why didn't you just answer my question in post#85????
You're fixated on something that is not in the least true. The commands given to the Levites were part of the words of the Sinai covenant. They were not a covenant within a covenant.

Why are you blaming me for what the Bible teaches about the Sinai covenant and its 613 commands? You have nothing but a theory and no one else is buying into what you think and because we don't you attack us. What you write is bologna and does not deserve any response from anyone.
 
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Funny you should say that...what was it Samuel said to king Saul..."TO OBEY IS BETTER THAN TO SACRIFICE"

who are the Saints in Rev 14:12? "...here are they who keep the commandments of God"

One other...did God accept or reject Cain's offering?
Adam, were the eight Holy days commandments from God? Be careful, my friend, when you teach that ritual commands from the covenant given only to Israel are something Christians under the new covenant have to obey.
 
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Why didn't you just answer my question in post#85????

I did Bob, in #86. The Commands God gave Jesus, are not the same as the Commands God gave us. I even asked you questions that you ignored.

Jesus even said God's Sabbath was made for man, not God. Paul said God's Laws, even the least of them, were "written for our (New Covenant Believers) sake's no doubt"? Am I to flush all these Word's, inspired by the Christ of the Bible, down your religious toilet?

You're fixated on something that is not in the least true. The commands given to the Levites were part of the words of the Sinai covenant. They were not a covenant within a covenant.

That is what your preachers are teaching you, and you are preaching to others. But that is not what the God of the Bible teaches. Please don't just ignore the Scriptures here. If I am misunderstanding them, then show me how. I'm not going to buy your religious philosophy that I am wrong, just because YOU, or your religious leaders, say so.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

Bob, you are preaching there was no "ADDED" separate Covenant with Levi. When did God "ADD" the instruction regarding offerings and sacrifices for the "Sin's of the People"?


Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.

When in the entire Law and Prophets, is it written that Levi "feared God and was afraid for His Name"?

Ex. 32:26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

How is it Israel was forbidden to partake of the Priesthood duties of the Covenant God made with Levi?

Numbers 8:14 Thus shalt thou separate the Levites from among the children of Israel: and the Levites shall be mine.

Duet. 10:8 At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day.

9 Wherefore Levi hath no part nor inheritance with his brethren; the LORD is his inheritance, according as the LORD thy God promised him.

Bob, seriously, What if the Bible is right, and you are wrong? What if God is telling the Truth here, and it is YOU who have been deceived by the religions of this land? What if God did separate Levi unto HIM, and gave Him a Priesthood Covenant on Israel's behalf, that Abraham didn't have?

What if Jesus was right in all HIS warnings about religious men who call HIM Lord, Lord, but are really deceivers?

What if Paul is right, and the Priesthood "works of the LAW" were "ADDED" because of Transgressions?" Two covenants, one of Abraham, and one of Levi? One depicting the Hagar's son, and one depicting the true heir?

I'm just saying that God should be listened to here, not some random theologian you have given your faith to.


Why are you blaming me for what the Bible teaches about the Sinai covenant and its 613 commands?

It's a lie Bob. It didn't happen, and the Bible doesn't teach it. It is a myth that God created 613 laws and placed them on the backs of even one person He saved from Egypt. It's a lie, a falsehood that you can not prove, support, justify with any Word's in the entire bible. God did not rescue Abraham's Children from Egypt, only to destroy them by placing 613 laws impossible to follow, on their necks. God did not place 613 laws on even one person that trusted Him enough to strike the lintel and door posts with the blood of the Lamb. NOT ONE.

This is a Lie. perpetrated by the father of lies, to belittle and discredit the God of the Bible. And you are doing it's will by continuing to promote this lie.

You keep promoting this falsehood, but you can not find any scriptures which support your religious philosophy here. You are just listening to "another voice" in the garden, and promoting it, just as Eve did to Adam.

You shouldn't continue preaching these lies about God, someone might hear you and believe the lie.

You have nothing but a theory and no one else is buying into what you think and because we don't you attack us. What you write is bologna and does not deserve any response from anyone.

I'm not attacking you because of some theory. You are preaching a blatant lie about God. I have asked you to show me even ONE example where God placed 613 laws on the backs of EVEN ONE Person He brought out of Egypt. I have even showed you the Word's of God Himself.

Duet. 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

This is what the God of the Bible says about His Commandments. Is this God telling a Lie? Is it just a coincidence that EVE was also convinced God Lied to her by some random "voice" that also quoted some of God's Word?

It is clear that God's Covenant and yours are two different things. Maybe you should consider what God says about His Own New Covenant. That is what I am suggesting.
 
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If we are under the new covenant
1. Love the lord thy God
2. Love thy neighbour as thyself

where is the command to worship our creator on a particular day?
Do we even need therefore to worship at all in church and celebrate creation and the creator?
What is the point of Sunday worship at all?
Did Jesus ask us to worship his resurrection anywhere in the Bible?

I put this question out there because a number of non trinitarians for example
- "show me a bible text that says "trinity"
- show me an text that commands "worship on sabbath" prior to exodus 20,
- show me a text that says the apostles and Gentiles were commanded to "keep the Seventh Day Sabbath"

So i turn that same literal reasoning back onto Sunday worshipers...Can you show me texts in the Bible where it specifically says "worship my resurrection on the first day of the week"?

Finally, if you use the argument "I worship God on every day", and you then go to Church services on Sunday because you were commanded somewhere in the covenant to do so (ie worship Jesus your messiah), then based on the model/standard God gave to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden that they worship him in a special time on the Seventh day may i ask, are you breaking the law by working on all days you worship the creator? for the commandment says "on it thou shalt not do any work, neither yourself nor your servant...etc?

All of the laws that God has given are examples of what it means to love Him and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said that those are the greatest two commandment and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so they are all connected. For example, obeying the command to help the poor is part of what it means to correctly obey the command to love our neighbor, so the command to love is inclusive of all of the other commandments. In Exodus 20:6, God wanted His people to love Him and obey His commandments, so keeping the 7th day holy in Exodus 20:8-11 is directly connected to what it means to love God, which means that the greatest two commandments are inclusive of the command to keep the 7th day holy, which is notably not the command to worship God on the 7th day. We should worship God on every day, which is inclusive of obeying His command to keep the 7th day holy.

However, the fact that a word or command is not directly used or given in the Bible does not necessarily mean that the concept it refers to is not taught by the Bible. What is holy to God should not be profaned by man, so we would still be obligated to keep the 7th day holy even if God had never commanded anyone to do that.
 
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That is a popular religious philosophy in the religions Jesus said to "take Heed of". But it isn't what Jesus taught. And to believe God placed Laws on the shoulders of men, and then lied to them about their ability to obey, is another popular religious doctrine, but it is also a falsehood.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The preaching that Jesus has already fulfilled all that was written about Him in the Law and Prophets is Absurd.
Did Jesus fulfill the law or not?

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

To fulfill what exactly?
 
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Shavua tov! Again, if there is no law then there is no sin (because sin is the transgression of the law) and no need of grace...
Are you saying that the Gentile nations at the time of the Christ, had the law of Moses?
 
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What Law? Listen to Paul's Word's here.

Gal. 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Why did they "receive the spirit" but the Pharisees who were bewitching them did not.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

So is Peter a liar here? Or are you not understanding Paul?

I'll ask you a question. Before Jesus came, how was a Jew who sinned, reconciled to God? Did God command the Jew to "Keep the Sabbath, and your sins are forgiven? Did God tell them if a man sins, he shall not steal, and his sins are forgiven?

No David, before Jesus came, a Jew who sinned were told to bring a bull or goat to the Levite Priest, and kill it. And the Priest would take the animals blood on his finger and sprinkle it on the alter. That is how a man was cleansed, or "made righteous" before Jesus came as per the Added "LAW", or covenant with Levi.

Since the Pharisees didn't believe Jesus was their prophesied New High Priest, "After the order of Melchizedek ", they were still promoting the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for atonement.

This is the "LAW" Abraham didn't have, but was ADDED 430 years after Abrahm obeyed god's Laws, Statutes, and Commandments.. This is the LAW that was "ADDED" because Transgressions, "Till the Seed Should Come". This is the LAW that was to lead the Jews to their true High Priest, as it did for Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, and many others.

Don't fall for the mainstream preachers of our time religious philosophy that God didn't "ADD" His Laws, Commandments, and Statutes until 430 years after Abraham obeyed them.

HE Added this Priesthood, till the true High Priest should come.

Ask yourself.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was "added" because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

What was this LAW added to? Because of transgression of what?

Consider Jeremiah, who is the Prophet who told us about the Prophesied New Covenant in the first place.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

So why did God "ADD" the Priesthood regarding atonement?

24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

He ADDED them "Because of Transgressions".

It's right there in your own Bible. We have just been influenced by the religions of the land we were born into, just as the Jews in Jesus' Time were influenced by the Pharisees who "Taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men".

I hope you might consider what is actually written.
Are you saying that the ten commandments were not written into the law. That Israel received at Mt Sinai?
 
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Part of The Name (YHVH) was added to both AbraHam and SaraH (the Hey was added). Sunday (the first of the week) was added to commemorate Yeshua's resurrection, but Sunday is NOT the Sabbath. You do know that all of our first Bishops in Jerusalem were all Jews, Yaakov (James) being the first, until 135 AD and the edict of Hadrian? Hadrian passed laws forbidding circumcision, the keeping of the Sabbath, the study of Torah, etc...so gentile Greek bishops had to be installed...
I thought the name of God, i.e., YHWH, was first announced to Moses (Exodus 3:14). So how can Abraham have part of the tetragrammaton, YHWH, added to his name?
 
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hmmm interesting doctrine. As a point of logic,

if the law does not save anyone, how then can the law lead anyone (Jew or Gentile) to Jesus?
The law grants the knowledge of sin, not righteousness. The law notifies you, that you cannot be saved by the law because you are at enmity with God. That is why the sacrifices were an integral part of the law. The law cannot be obeyed by us. Not even Moses himself succeeded in that obedience.

Galatians 3:24-25
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

We are now no longer under that tutor (the law).
 
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The law grants the knowledge of sin, not righteousness. The law notifies you, that you cannot be saved by the law because you are at enmity with God. That is why the sacrifices were an integral part of the law. The law cannot be obeyed by us. Not even Moses himself succeeded in that obedience.

Galatians 3:24-25
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

We are now no longer under that tutor (the law).
Are you aware of the Historian Suetonius (A.D 69-122)?
HE explains that the reason why the Gentiles changed their day of worship from Saturday to Sunday was to distance themselves from the persecution of the Sabbath keeping Jews at the hands of Ceasar by hitting their religious finance coffers.
Samuel Bacchiocci is a scholar who was the first (and last after what he discovered and publiashed) non Catholic Scholar to be given access to the Vatican Archives.
"Bacchiocchi cites the report of the historian Suetonius that the emperor Claudius expelled all Jews from Rome (Suetonius, Claudius 25.4; cf. Acts 18:2). This was but one of several moves against the Jews that took place under different emperors, including the imposition of a rather onerous tax, the so-called temple tax. Thus, Gentile Christians at Rome would have every incentive to distinguish themselves as much as they could from Jews."
Bacchicchi finds evidence that they, in fact, choose to do this in the following two historical notes that come from the mid-fifth century (i.e., approximately a century after the time of Constantine the Great). In his Ecclesiastical History (VII 19), the historian Sozomen says, “The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assembled together on the sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria.” One might compare the comment of another historian of the Church, Socrates Scholasticus, in his Ecclesiastical History (V 22), “Almost all churches throughout the world celebrate sacred mysteries of the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians at Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, do not do this.”

So whilst you continue to attempt to rustle up feeble incorrect interpretive tripe about why Gentile Christians worship on Sunday, the facts remain solid:

1. Jesus our teacher and master did not worship on that day himself
2. He did not state keep Sunday as the Sabbath in a commandment
3. He did not even setup a pre-death sunday worshiping church service (he knew his crucifixion was near)
4. Galations 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
5. Vs 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.(note that this promise was fulfilled with the birth of Isaac and he changed his name from Abram to Abraham)

Finally, the passage often quoted in support of sunday worship,
Acts 20: 7On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Since Paul was ready to leave the next day, he talked to them and kept on speaking until midnight...11Then Paul went back upstairs, broke bread, and ate. And after speaking until daybreak, he departed"

You see the problem here dont you. There are at least two actually:
1. The bible days are stated in Genesis as "the evening and the morning" (paul speaking to midnight, then on until sunrise before leaving...eh hmm what day was that exactly? Sat night leaving Sunday morning, or Sunday Nite leaving Monday morning.
If Saturday night leaving on Sunday, then Paul "travelled" on Sunday the new day of worship,
If Sunday night leaving on Monday, then the meeting wasnt even on Sunday!

2. IF we are worshipping the day we break bread, agh crap, that was the last supper Jesus modelled to us. Oh no, that was before the crucifixion when Jesus said "eat/drink this in remembrance of me". Damn!

Sorry but your arguments are nothing more than nonsense not supported by biblical facts. The most supportive argument for worshipping sunday does not come from the Bible...its comes from the Catholic Churches own published statements (and anyone can freely access these).
 
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If we are under the new covenant
1. Love the lord thy God
2. Love thy neighbour as thyself

where is the command to worship our creator on a particular day?
Do we even need therefore to worship at all in church and celebrate creation and the creator?
What is the point of Sunday worship at all?
Did Jesus ask us to worship his resurrection anywhere in the Bible?

I put this question out there because a number of non trinitarians for example
- "show me a bible text that says "trinity"
- show me an text that commands "worship on sabbath" prior to exodus 20,
- show me a text that says the apostles and Gentiles were commanded to "keep the Seventh Day Sabbath"

So i turn that same literal reasoning back onto Sunday worshipers...Can you show me texts in the Bible where it specifically says "worship my resurrection on the first day of the week"?

Finally, if you use the argument "I worship God on every day", and you then go to Church services on Sunday because you were commanded somewhere in the covenant to do so (ie worship Jesus your messiah), then based on the model/standard God gave to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden that they worship him in a special time on the Seventh day may i ask, are you breaking the law by working on all days you worship the creator? for the commandment says "on it thou shalt not do any work, neither yourself nor your servant...etc?

I am not under the law.

Romans 7:6
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
 
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I am not under the law.

Romans 7:6
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
Oh really! Funny that because it appears you are reading the wrong bible...we are not saved by the law, but we are absolutely condemned by not keeping it. That has nothing to do with whether or not we are capable of keeping it, salvation is by faith not by works. However, the works (ie keeping of the commandments) are the fruit of our faith.

Revelation 14:12 Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

What is the moral compass by which sin is defined? Sin is the "TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW"

1John 3:23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

New Living Translation
Everyone who sins is breaking God’s law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.
King James Bible
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Amplified Bible
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness [ignoring God’s law by action or neglect or by tolerating wrongdoing—being unrestrained by His commands and His will].
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.
Good News Translation
Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God's law, because sin is a breaking of the law.
 
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Are you aware of the Historian Suetonius (A.D 69-122)?
HE explains that the reason why the Gentiles changed their day of worship from Saturday to Sunday was to distance themselves from the persecution of the Sabbath keeping Jews at the hands of Ceasar by hitting their religious finance coffers.
The Sabbath is a day of rest according to Exodus. The Gentiles did not honor the Sabbath day because they were not under the law.

If you have the letter that Suetonius wrote commenting on some change of day, I would be happy to read it.

I thought the SDA said that Constantine changed the day?
Samuel Bacchiocci is a scholar who was the first (and last after what he discovered and publiashed) non Catholic Scholar to be given access to the Vatican Archives.
"Bacchiocchi cites the report of the historian Suetonius that the emperor Claudius expelled all Jews from Rome (Suetonius, Claudius 25.4; cf. Acts 18:2). This was but one of several moves against the Jews that took place under different emperors, including the imposition of a rather onerous tax, the so-called temple tax. Thus, Gentile Christians at Rome would have every incentive to distinguish themselves as much as they could from Jews."
I am aware of Bacchiocchi.
Bacchicchi finds evidence that they, in fact, choose to do this in the following two historical notes that come from the mid-fifth century (i.e., approximately a century after the time of Constantine the Great). In his Ecclesiastical History (VII 19), the historian Sozomen says, “The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assembled together on the sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria.” One might compare the comment of another historian of the Church, Socrates Scholasticus, in his Ecclesiastical History (V 22), “Almost all churches throughout the world celebrate sacred mysteries of the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians at Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, do not do this.”
According to history, the Jews were the only nation in the Roman Empire that rested on the Sabbath day. The Roman Empire never had a day off until Constantine declared Sunday as a rest day.
So whilst you continue to attempt to rustle up feeble incorrect interpretive tripe about why Gentile Christians worship on Sunday
Your confusing a day of rest with a gathering to break the bread. Gentiles were never under the law.
That is why Gentile churches across the known world in the second century, gathered on the day Jesus rose. Gentiles didn't gather to rest, Gentiles gathered to remember Jesus.

The Jewish Sabbath is a rest day from work.
 
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Oh really! Funny that because it appears you are reading the wrong bible...we are not saved by the law, but we are absolutely condemned by not keeping it. That has nothing to do with whether or not we are capable of keeping it, salvation is by faith not by works. However, the works (ie keeping of the commandments) are the fruit of our faith.
What you said is a contradiction.

Here is what you said.

We are not saved by the law.

We are condemned by the law.

Salvation is by faith.

Not keeping the law once saved will then condemn you again.

That is a contradiction.

Either you are saved by grace through faith or your not saved. It is as simple as that.
Revelation 14:12 Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
I hope your referring to the new covenant commands and not the law.
Amen, a free gift given to those that believe in Jesus.
What is the moral compass by which sin is defined? Sin is the "TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW"
For a Jew raised under the law that is correct. Gentiles never had the law of Moses. Gentiles knew nothing of the Mt Sinai law.
 
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