Under the New Covenant, where is the Biblical text for Worshipping on a particular day (ie Sunday)

[klutedavid]

Again, if there is no law, why do you need grace?

Gentiles never had the law but Gentiles are included in the grace of God.
Grace covers those under the law of Moses (Israel) and those apart from the law (Gentile nations).

Grace means undeserved favor by God. One does not need to know the law to receive grace.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

Gentiles never had the law but Gentiles are included in the grace of God.
Grace covers those under the law of Moses (Israel) and those apart from the law (Gentile nations).

Grace means undeserved favor by God. One does not need to know the law to receive grace.

I dissagree...read Ephesians 3:6
"This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus."

Also consider the following references..."I will be their God, and they will be my people."
Ezekiel 14:11
Ezekiel 37:27
Hebrew 8:10
Jeremiah 31:33
2Corinthians 6:16 "What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people." (Here Paul is directly calling himself one of Gods people. An heir of that which was given to the Israelites many centuries earlier)


Clearly if they are fellow heirs after the cross, and God is their God and they are his people, then everything that the first heir (ie the Israelites/Jews) were entitled to, was also given to the gentiles. As i have said before, this also means that all the laws, expectations, everything goes with! Ephesians 3:6 is just another direct reference that proves this beyond any doubt (no interpretation required...its there in plain writing)

We know this to be truth because there is not a commandment given anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus said, worship the first day of the week (Sunday)...neither did he demonstrate such a doctrine by worshipping with his disciples prior to his death (he knew his time of crucifixion was very near) on a Sunday.

 

[Bob S]

If we are under the new covenant
1. Love the lord thy God
2. Love thy neighbour as thyself

What do you mean "if"? Don't you believe we are under the new covenant? If not show us a picture of your side burns. Are you keeping all the feast days? Do you stone those of your persuasion for breaking Sabbath requirements? Who, in your flock, would be so pure as to cast the first stone at those you deem to be law breakers?

where is the command to worship our creator on a particular day?

I assume you mean in the New Testament or new covenant. You tell me then we both will know.

Do we even need therefore to worship at all in church and celebrate creation and the creator?
What is the point of Sunday worship at all?
Did Jesus ask us to worship his resurrection anywhere in the Bible?

Same point as worshipping any other day. Is that against the Law? I know what has been pounded into your head because the same organization pounded it into my head for almost 40 years.

I put this question out there because a number of non trinitarians for example
- "show me a bible text that says "trinity"
- show me an text that commands "worship on sabbath" prior to exodus 20,
- show me a text that says the apostles and Gentiles were commanded to "keep the Seventh Day Sabbath"

Please do show me. You cannot yet you try to convince others that it was "logical". Using a word that is not in scripture is not a sin. Trinity is used to describe one God in three persons, blessed Trinity.

So i turn that same literal reasoning back onto Sunday worshipers...Can you show me texts in the Bible where it specifically says "worship my resurrection on the first day of the week"?

The question is as old as your church. I ask you, what is wrong with worshipping on Sunday? The only admonition about corporate worship in the new covenant is that we should not forsake worshipping together. Heb10: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Finally, if you use the argument "I worship God on every day", and you then go to Church services on Sunday because you were commanded somewhere in the covenant to do so

I hope this is for the last time. Yes, there are some who hold that somehow Sunday is a sacred day just as you hold that the day given to only one nation in a covenant that ended at Calvary is now somehow Holy to Christians, mot of whom are Gentiles who were never commanded to observe. Most knowing Christians do not hold Sunday as being sacred. We do honor our Saviors resurrection as being on Sunday as well we should. Nowhere are we told to keep any day in the covenant we are under.

(ie worship Jesus your messiah), then based on the model/standard God gave to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden that they worship him in a special time on the Seventh day may i ask, are you breaking the law by working on all days you worship the creator? for the commandment says "on it thou shalt not do any work, neither yourself nor your servant...etc?

You may ask and I will give you a straight answer. There is no command in the new covenant even suggesting that we have to keep the laws of the old covenant. There are no "Thou shalt nots". Most of us live under a better covenant, not with a bunch of rituals. We are to concentrate on our love to Jesus and our fellow man. To me that is so much more rewarding than trying to keep a day Holy that God has never asked Christians or Gentiles to do.

 

[Studyman]

So we are to assume that the entirety of Christianity has been wrong? For how long?

The Israelite's had God's Laws delivered to them, seeing the fire and the smoke, watching the death angel kill, seeing rivers of blood, and a sea split, and yet most of them refused to walk in the instructions of God.

The Jews had in their possession the Oracles of God for centuries, and yet when Jesus came to them, they were preaching for doctrines the Commandments of men. Constantine founded the religious doctrines and traditions of the first Catholic religion which flourished for centuries, unchallenged, until the reformation, when the scriptures they had the whole time, showed them they had been wrong.

There is no question that "Christianity" has been "wrong" for centuries, just as the mainstream religions of this world have been wrong since the tower of Babel.

Just because you might adopt an ancient religion which calls Jesus Lord, Lord for Centuries, doesn't mean you are on the Path Jesus said to Walk. Any more than Jews who followed the mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His Time.

A man will always side with the choices he makes, and will go to great lengths to justify them.

Abraham followed the religions of his father for 75 years, but when HE heard the Word of God, he became a "Doer of the Command" and followed God.

It doesn't matter about religions of this world, regardless of how old they are. We are still to be "doers" of God's instruction, not just hearers, regardless of the religious philosophies of this world.

Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

 

[Bob S]

Studyman, why do you insist that Christians have to be doers of the Sinai covenant? Jesus said He was a doer of the Sinai covenant and asks us to be doers of His commands. If the commands are the same why did Jesus even mention the difference in Jn15?

 

[Studyman]

Studyman, why do you insist that Christians have to be doers of the Sinai covenant?

To date you have rejected the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi on Mt. Sinai. You refuse to even acknowledge it. And you reject God's Own Definition of HIS OWN New Covenant which I have posted for you many times.

And you promote a falsehood about God being so unjust that HE saved Israel from the bondage of deception and death in Egypt, that HE did great wonders to gain their trust, only to place on their necks 613 Laws impossible for them to obey, then HE killed those who didn't obey. You do so with zero Biblical evidence, and when I challenge your religious philosophy, you refuse to engage. And you also promote the falsehood that God's New Covenant is the abolition of God's instructions given in the Law and Prophets that Jesus said would not Pass as long as heaven and earth are here.

What I insist, is that if you are going to pass yourself off as an "Apostle of Christ", that you please stop teaching blatant falsehoods about Him and His Father.

Jesus said He was a doer of the Sinai covenant and asks us to be doers of His commands. If the commands are the same why did Jesus even mention the difference in Jn15?

Of course the "work" God gave Jesus is different than the Commandments HE created for us. Are you serious?

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

So Bob, did God send you to do a "Work" on earth? Did God command you to save Israel?

Matt. 15: 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

What cup did God give you Bob?

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

What were you sent to Create Bob?

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Are you really going to come on this forum and preach to the world that God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws given to Abraham, and then to Abraham's Children, were only for Jesus?

In your religion, did the Christ inspire these Words?

Ecc. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Is this only for Jesus Bob?

Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

Am I a reprobate because I believe the Christ's Word's over yours?

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Just because you have created "Another Jesus" and another gospel, doesn't make it God's Truth.

There are a few who still believe in the Christ of the Bible. Stop placing a stumbling block in front of them.

 

[Albion]

The New Testament evidence has been given repeatedly in the past several months, and it makes no difference. Each renewal of the issue starts with "what's the evidence?"

So i turn that same literal reasoning back onto Sunday worshipers...Can you show me texts in the Bible where it specifically says "worship my resurrection on the first day of the week"?

Adam, none of the 90% or so of Christians who worship on Sunday are worshipping the resurrection.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

To date you have rejected the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi on Mt. Sinai. You refuse to even acknowledge it. And you reject God's Own Definition of HIS OWN New Covenant which I have posted for you many times.

And you promote a falsehood about God being so unjust that HE saved Israel from the bondage of deception and death in Egypt, that HE did great wonders to gain their trust, only to place on their necks 613 Laws impossible for them to obey, then HE killed those who didn't obey. You do so with zero Biblical evidence, and when I challenge your religious philosophy, you refuse to engage. And you also promote the falsehood that God's New Covenant is the abolition of God's instructions given in the Law and Prophets that Jesus said would not Pass as long as heaven and earth are here.

What I insist, is that if you are going to pass yourself off as an "Apostle of Christ", that you please stop teaching blatant falsehoods about Him and His Father.




Of course the "work" God gave Jesus is different than the Commandments HE created for us. Are you serious?

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

So Bob, did God send you to do a "Work" on earth? Did God command you to save Israel?

Matt. 15: 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

What cup did God give you Bob?

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

What were you sent to Create Bob?

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Are you really going to come on this forum and preach to the world that God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws given to Abraham, and then to Abraham's Children, were only for Jesus?

In your religion, did the Christ inspire these Words?

Ecc. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Is this only for Jesus Bob?

Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

Am I a reprobate because I believe the Christ's Word's over yours?

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Just because you have created "Another Jesus" and another gospel, doesn't make it God's Truth.

There are a few who still believe in the Christ of the Bible. Stop placing a stumbling block in front of them.

I think rednecks are so blinded it's pointless talking to them. They are illogical, irrational imbociles. Save your breath for rational minds.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

The New Testament evidence has been given repeatedly in the past several months, and it makes no difference. Each renewal of the issue starts with "what's the evidence?"




Adam, none of the 90% or so of Christians who worship on Sunday are worshipping the resurrection.

Then what are they worshipping? It's definately not the creator...he told us in Genesis to worship him on the seventh day! (Remembering Jesus is the creator)

Btw do. You know why some gentile churches started worshipping on Sunday? It was to distance themselves from the troublesome uprising of the Jews that ultimately saw the destruction of jerusalem and the temple in AD 70!
They did it to avoid the ire of Ceasar at the time.

 

[Studyman]

I think rednecks are so blinded it's pointless talking to them. They are illogical, irrational imbociles. Save your breath for rational minds.

I appreciate the sentiment, but i don't respond for BS, I respond for those who might be listening to him.

 

[Albion]

Then what are they worshipping?

God.

It's definately not the creator...he told us in Genesis to worship him on the seventh day!

He also told us, after the start of the New Covenant, that we are not to be judged by days, and that the Christian assemblies may worship on the first day of the week. That guidance might not hold, of course, with someone who does not consider the New Testament to be divinely inspired.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

I appreciate the sentiment, but i don't respond for BS, I respond for those who might be listening to him.

David Koresh took that line and look where he ended up.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

God.


He also told us, after the start of the New Covenant, that we are not to be judged by days, and that the Christian assemblies may worship on the first day of the week. That guidance might not hold, of course, with someone who does not consider the New Testament to be divinely inspired.

How many times does one have to prove that is not the new covenant before you finally accept what is obvious?
I have already stated historically...the gentiles did not change the day of worship to follow any covenant...they did it to disassociate and distance themselves from the Sabbath keeping Jews who were causing trouble for Ceasar that ultimately ended in the uprising culminating in AD 70.

research the history for yourself!

 

[Albion]

How many times does one have to prove that is not the new covenant before you finally accept what is obvious?

Quite a few, I would think.

I have already stated historically...the gentiles did not change the day of worship to follow any covenant...they did it to disassociate and distance themselves from the Sabbath keeping Jews who were causing trouble for Ceasar that ultimately ended in the uprising culminating in AD 70.

Even if that were true, the Christians were not prohibited from making the day that the Lord rose from the dead their primary day of worship.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

Even if that were true, the Christians were not prohibited from making the day that the Lord rose from the dead their primary day of worship.

Funny you should say that...what was it Samuel said to king Saul..."TO OBEY IS BETTER THAN TO SACRIFICE"

who are the Saints in Rev 14:12? "...here are they who keep the commandments of God"

One other...did God accept or reject Cain's offering?

 

[Albion]

Don't forget that this is not just an interesting historical footnote. Sunday worship was sanctioned by the word of God following the founding of Christ's church.

 

[AdamjEdgar]

Don't forget that this is not just an interesting historical footnote. Sunday worship was sanctioned by the word of God following the founding of Christ's church.

Oh really...exactly where in the Bible does it say that?
Can you please quote me a verse...any verse where Jesus either:
1. Stated worship me on the first day of the week rather than the seventh day or
2. Jesus illustrating/demonstrating this desire by setting up a little Sunday church group with ANY of his followers (he was a teacher was he not? And teachers usually demonstrate in their lessons)


You must have a new translation from a previously undiscovered codex!

 

[Albion]

I addressed that matter in posts 91, 96, and 97. In none of those cases did my point receive a direct reply, but I feel that three times of referring any interested reader to the authorization for Sunday worship is adequate.

 

[HTacianas]

The Israelite's had God's Laws delivered to them, seeing the fire and the smoke, watching the death angel kill, seeing rivers of blood, and a sea split, and yet most of them refused to walk in the instructions of God.

The Jews had in their possession the Oracles of God for centuries, and yet when Jesus came to them, they were preaching for doctrines the Commandments of men. Constantine founded the religious doctrines and traditions of the first Catholic religion which flourished for centuries, unchallenged, until the reformation, when the scriptures they had the whole time, showed them they had been wrong.

There is no question that "Christianity" has been "wrong" for centuries, just as the mainstream religions of this world have been wrong since the tower of Babel.

Just because you might adopt an ancient religion which calls Jesus Lord, Lord for Centuries, doesn't mean you are on the Path Jesus said to Walk. Any more than Jews who followed the mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His Time.

A man will always side with the choices he makes, and will go to great lengths to justify them.

Abraham followed the religions of his father for 75 years, but when HE heard the Word of God, he became a "Doer of the Command" and followed God.

It doesn't matter about religions of this world, regardless of how old they are. We are still to be "doers" of God's instruction, not just hearers, regardless of the religious philosophies of this world.

Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

You lost me at "Constantine". Constantine never established any of the traditions of Christianity.

 

[klutedavid]

Are you really going to come on this forum and preach to the world that God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws given to Abraham, and then to Abraham's Children, were only for Jesus?

Yes, that is exactly what the New Testament states. The entire Old Testament was the shadow, a massive prophecy, pointing to the only one who could meet it's impossible demands. Jesus arrived to fulfill the law, to accomplish everything that only The Creator could do.

The law only grants a knowledge of sin, that is the purpose of the law.

The law points the Jews to Jesus, ultimately, the law leads the Jews to Jesus.

Salvation is impossible for us to accomplish, salvation must be received as a free gift.

Romans 5:15
But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many