Your interpretation here though doesn't line up with what the parable actually says. Go back and look at the parable in
Matthew 25. In this parable; the redeemed and the unredeemed are gathered together in one event. That isn't what happened when Jesus ascended to the Father. The only people you see standing before God in
Revelation 5 (the "first" ascension to the Father) are "those who came out of great tribulation".
1.) When does the son of man come into His glory and sit on the throne?
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne.
Within the lifetimes of his generation
Matthew 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
At the resurrection and ascension in fulfillment of the promise made to David that his descendant would sit on the throne, in which Christ was given all authority, dominion, and power in this age and the age to come.
Acts 2:30-33 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he
would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.
1 Peter 3:21-22 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
Ephesians 1:20-21 that he worked in Christ
when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Luke 19:12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return.
Luke 24:26-27 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things
and enter into his glory?”
27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
Therefore, Jesus' ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension to the Father fulfills daniel 7, in which he comes into his glory to receive a kingdom
Daniel 7:13-14
“I saw in the night visions,
and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
And to him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed
2.) The gathering of the good and bad is a kingdom event that occurs at the going forth of the gospel culminating in the harvest and gathering of the good into the kingdom and the bad to eternal punishment.
Matthew 25:32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats
The kingdom is a like a net that gathers all kinds of fish prior to the end of the age.
Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was thrown into the sea and gathered fish of every kind.
The good and bad grow together prior to the end of the age.
Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, “Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
Which means that those "who came out of great tribulation" has to be connected to the atonement, (not the destruction of Jerusalem) because Jesus ascended to the Father (the first time) at the point that He died. This is why He says to the thief; "Today you will be with me in paradise." Note, he didn't say "when I rise from the dead" or "when I ascend to the Father 40 days after rising from the dead". He said "Today...."
I disagree. According to Jesus himself, he did not ascend to paradise that day. Therefore, i would argue Jesus' statement is "I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise".
John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
Which means that those "who came out of great tribulation" has to be connected to the atonement, (not the destruction of Jerusalem) because Jesus ascended to the Father (the first time) at the point that He died. This is why He says to the thief; "Today you will be with me in paradise." Note, he didn't say "when I rise from the dead" or "when I ascend to the Father 40 days after rising from the dead". He said "Today...."
No contradiction.
Daniel records that the resurrection of the just and unjust occurs around the time of great tribulation.
Daniel 12:1-2 At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Jesus associates the great tribulation with the destruction of Jerusalem in the olivet discourse.
Matthew 24:2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
Matthew 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
The kingdom is taken from them before their destruction happens. The "transfer" of the Kingdom happened at Pentecost. The destruction happened in 70 AD.
The parable doesn't say the kingdom is taken away from them BEFORE their destruction. It is given to other tenants when the wicked ones are destroyed.
Matthew 21: 41, 43 They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.” Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits.
This is consistent with the good and bad being gathered into the kingdom prior to the bad being destroyed at the end of the age as stated in the parable of the net. This is consistent with the good and bad growing together until the bad are burned at the end of the age.
Your assertion though was because you'd seen this written in Scripture (not considering the source of who said it) that it was appropriate to build a doctrine on it.
"The fool says in his heart there is no God." That's also in Scripture; but you don't build a doctrine on that by proclaiming - "See the Bible says there's no God."
You misinterpreted my position and attempted to create a strawman argument out of that.
Additionally, I did not build a "doctrine".
The angel states the head of gold (Babylon) rules over all of men, animals, and birds wherever they dwell.
Daniel 2::37-38 You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory, and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the children of man, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the heavens, making you rule over them all—you are the head of gold.
The angel states the third kingdom (greece) rules over "all the earth"
Daniel 2:39 Another kingdom inferior to you shall arise after you, and yet a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth
God Himself stirred the spirit of Cyrus (persia) to proclaim that God had given all the kingdoms of the earth.
2 Chronicles 36:22-23 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom and also put it in writing:
2“Thus says Cyrus king of Persia, ‘The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever is among you of all his people, may the Lord his God be with him. Let him go up
Therefore I interpret the 4th beast as ruling over "all the earth" in the exact same way, as the other beasts (babylon, persia, and greece) as ruling over "all the earth". This is not a doctrine and This is not a single verse. This is using scripture to interpret scripture.
Cyrus the Great to the destruction of Jerusalem is like 609 years. How does that fit into "time, times and 1/2 time", 3.5 years, or 3.5 days?
539 BC to 70 AD = 609.
Yet.... John the Baptist to Pentecost is 3.5 years.
If 1000 years is as a day and a day as 1000 years; you have 3500 years.
"Time times and 1/2 time".
If a "time" does actually = 1000 years? There are some interesting passages that speak of the "times" of the gentiles. The "chronologies" and "times" ... you know that the Lord comes as a thief in the night.
I believe there are 3 x times, time and half a time.
The time period between Cyrus and the shattering of the power of the holy people
Daniel 12:6-7 “How long shall it be till the end of these wonders? And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream; he raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and swore by him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time, and that when the shattering of the power of the holy people comes to an end all these things would be finished.
The time for little horn to persecute the the saints.
Daniel 7:25 He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
The time of Christ's ministry and the time leading from his death, resurrection, and ascension until the gospel went to the gentiles after stephens stoning.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week,
g and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering.
Except the book of Revelation doesn't support this assertion; because at the point it was written; it clearly says they haven't received their kingdom yet.
So if the book of Revelation was really written after the destruction of the temple? ..... You got a problem in your eschatological timeline here.
I am of the position that revelation was written prior to 70AD.
The harlot is dressed in the same color as the old covenant priesthood.
Revelation 17:4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality.
Exodus 39:1 From the blue and purple and scarlet yarns they made finely woven garments,
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The harlot is the great city which is Jerusalem.
Revelation 17:18 And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”
Revelation 11:8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically
b is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.
Jesus charged 1st century Jerusalem with all the righteous blood shed.
Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints,
and of all who have been slain on earth.”
Matthew 23:35-36so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,
f whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.
36Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
When the harlot is destroyed, the wedding feast is ready. This parrallels, when Jerusalem is destroyed the wedding feast is ready.
Revelation 19:1-2, 9
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for his judgments are true and just;
for he has judged the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her immorality,
and has avenged on her the blood of his servants.” nd the angel said
a to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.
Matthew 22:7-9 The king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
8Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding feast is ready, but those invited were not worthy.
9Go therefore to the main roads and invite to the wedding feast as many as you find.
Therefore the Harlot is 1st century Jerusalem based on using scripture to interpret scripture. The beast and its 10 horns, which are responsible for destroying Jerusalem, must then be in part related to its destruction, which would be the Romans, zealots, and imudeans.
1. Crucifixion.
2. Pentecost.
3. The one parable that speaks of the gathering of the guests; this is before the feast has actually happened. Revelation gives you both the wedding feast and what's happening to the unredeemed outside of the feast.
The wedding feast is not ready until after the consummation according to ancient traditional Jewish Marriages. After the city is destroyed, the feast IS READY.
Matthew 22:8 ‘
The wedding feast is ready, but those invited were not worthy.
Did the gospel stop going forth after the destruction of Jerusalem?
Absolutely. The gospel is everlasting.
Are people still not being martyred for the sake of the gospel today? Is there not still a reckoning for sin?
Absolutely, Christians are still killed for the sake of the gospel today. And yes they will be judged accordingly when they stand before the judgment seat of Christ. However, they are not responsible for all the righteous blood shed, only the blood shed they spill.
What makes anyone's blood righteous? Christ. Therefore, God held 1st century Jerusalem responsible for all the righteous bloodshed
Matthew 23:35-36so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,
f whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.