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The seals were actually opened to know what was in the book. None of the events revealed by opening the seals have begun yet, including the trumpets and vials events.

In th evision, but not literally, because the language of Gods Word forbids that from being true. Unless you think God is lousy at grammar!

Again. Extra to what? Can't you see the shortcomings to written only communications when discussing eschatology?

They are extra to the 2520 days (70th week) 7 years) we colloquially call the tribulation. They are also the interval between teh physical return of Jesus and the establishment of the Millenial kingdom as all the verses I posted show!

There are not an extra 30, nor 45, days to anything. The 1335th day is the day that Jesus returns to end the 7 years. 1335 days before then is when the AoD is setup to be worshiped. On a 2520 day, i.e.7 year, timeline chart, that is on Day 1185.

Your error in thinking is that you place the AoD setup on the exact middle day of 1260. Which is not what the text is indicating in Daniel 9:27. In Daniel 9:27, it is in the midst of the week. Another way of saying in the middle part of the week. It does not mean the exact midpoint, i.e. day 1260 - as you are thinking.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

My chart is right.

Well this is the word of Douggg above.

And here is the word of God below!

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Your chart is a "close enough for me" kind of chart! Verse 27 says the Antichristr confirms a covenant for 2520 days or 7 years! And in the middle (not kind of or sort of or around) or after 1260 days which is in the midst! The Hebrew Word is chetsiy which means half or middle!!!!

Now I believe tha antichrist will be killed and rise before the 3 1/2 year time frame and then rises, teh image comes to life and then the antichrist goes to make all out war against Israel!
 
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You cannot reconcile in your mind how those words can be describing the same event? Dark does not necessary mean black. And blood red does not mean by the light of the moon. Turning blood red the moon will be darkened.

The kjv btw in Revelation 6:12.... and the moon became as blood;

The kjv in Matthew 24:29....... and the moon shall not give her light,
No. And even a child would see they are different events.
You cannot place the Sixth Seal at the Return, it doesn't belong there, there is 13 chapters of Revelation to take place between the SS world changer and the Return.
We also have the prophecy of Isaiah 30:26-30, which clearly is about the Sixth Seal.....the moon will shine as bright as the sun....

You do agree that BaB has it wrong in #78. Those 2 verse refer to the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event and much later; the slaughter of the AC's army by Jesus at His Return.
 
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You have....
1260 days..... (the AOD placed in the temple)......1260 days.... 30 days.....15 days.

.... but the stopping of the daily sacrifice takes place before then, followed by a whole series of related events*. Before getting to the AOD.

Stopping of the daily sacrifice. When? On day 1260? Or in the middle part of the 7 years, as I have said?

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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*Stops the daily sacrifice.
The Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act. 2Thessalonians2:4
The Antichrist killed.
Coming back to life as the beast.
The image of the beast made.
The image placed in the temple as the abomination of desolation.

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You will see all those things on my chart in the right places.

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You do agree that BaB has it wrong in #78. Those 2 verse refer to the Sixth Seal, the next prophesied event and much later; the slaughter of the AC's army by Jesus at His Return.
No, I did not disagree with BaB2's point of Revelation 6:15 is tied to Revelation 19:18. I agreed.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;


Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

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And on top of BaB2's point. Revelation 6:12-13 and Matthew 24:29 are a match.

Revelation 6:
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


Matthew 24:29
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

All taking place near the end of the 7 years.
 
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And on top of BaB2's point. Revelation 6:12-13 and Matthew 24:29 are a match.
You see things the way that suits you. Not very many would believe the moon being darkened is the same as it shining blood red.
There are many other proofs of the Day of the Lords fiery wrath being a separate event from the glorious Return.

It isn't a really critical issue, but it is always unfortunate to hold false beliefs about Bible prophecy and you actively promote those wrong beliefs. May not be so nice for you later, to have God ask why you did that.
 
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You see things the way that suits you. Not very many would believe the moon being darkened is the same as it shining blood red.
It doesn't say "shining" blood red in the text.
 
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It doesn't say "shining" blood red in the text.
Don't you realize that you have 'dougg' yourself deep enough in the mire of confused and unscriptural beliefs?
The Sixth Seal Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath will very soon strike the moon and all the earth with a shock of Noahic proportions. Just as 2 Peter 3:1-7 says.

We are told in 1 Thess 5:3... sudden destruction will come when people think; all is peaceful and safe.....
Trumps Peace Plan is a likely way that people will hope the Middle East crisis is resolved.
THEN, we must watch for an Islamic attack onto Israel and be ready for the Lord to act to destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14, Jeremiah 49:35-37, Isaiah 66:15-17, +
 
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Don't you realize that you have 'dougg' yourself deep enough in the mire of confused and unscriptural beliefs?
The Sixth Seal Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath will very soon strike the moon and all the earth with a shock of Noahic proportions. Just as 2 Peter 3:1-7 says.

We are told in 1 Thess 5:3... sudden destruction will come when people think; all is peaceful and safe.....
Trumps Peace Plan is a likely way that people will hope the Middle East crisis is resolved.
THEN, we must watch for an Islamic attack onto Israel and be ready for the Lord to act to destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14, Jeremiah 49:35-37, Isaiah 66:15-17, +
What do you mean by to destroy "them all". The invading armies? Or the invading armies plus Israel?

Gog attacks Israel, and God defends the Israel over there calling them my people Israel in Ezekiel 39:7.

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You need to make a timeline chart of your beliefs. To show the critical path of events of the end times.

And place on the critical path, the solar flare event takes place (that you are projecting), which in your opinion depopulates the middle east... including Israel.

And place on the critical patch, Christians from around the world all move to the vacated land on Israel, and form the nation of "Beulah".

And place on the critical path, Gog/Magog.

And place on the critical path, the confirming of the covenant between the Antichrist and "Beulah".


The red line on my chart is the critical path of events.


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1st seal - White horse with crown and bow who conquers the world: Covid-19

2nd seal - Red horse with sword who brings conflict: Race riots

3rd seal - Black horse with scales and hunger: Food system collapses this autumn

4th seal - Pale horse with pestilence: 2nd Wave this winter

5th seal - White robes under the altar: Mass purge of Christians by the world

6th seal - Wrath of God (earthquakes, fire, the whole butt-kicking-for-goodness magubbins)

7th seal - Kingdom established

Probably wrong, but it fits. :sorry:
 
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What do you mean by to destroy "them all". The invading armies? Or the invading armies plus Israel?
I mean just what Ezekiel 7:14, Micah 4:11-2, Psalms 83 and many other prophesies tell us. The entire Middle East will be devastated and depopulated. Zechariah 1:14-18
Gog attacks Israel, and God defends the Israel over there calling them my people Israel in Ezekiel 39:7.
More confusion on your part.
The G/M attack comes later, AFTER the new nation of Beulah is settled in all of the holy Land. They will be the real Christian Israelites of God.
My people, not those Jesus haters and Muslims, etc, who are there now.
You need to make a timeline chart of your beliefs. To show the critical path of events of the end times.
The 'Critical path' of what the Bible prophets tell about Gods Plans for the end times, is quite clearly set out in my post #7. A simple step by step list of what must happen. Other people too, have told you that your chart is unintelligible to them.
Address to issues, not the format of the events.
 
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he 'Critical path' of what the Bible prophets tell about Gods Plans for the end times, is quite clearly set out in my post #7. A simple step by step list of what must happen. Other people too, have told you that your chart is unintelligible to them.
Address to issues, not the format of the events.
You list omits Matthew 24:29.

Because it conflicts to where you have placed the sixth seal - which your whole scenario is based on.

That you have omitted Matthew 24:29 is not something most will catch reading your narrative. And that most are not intimately familiar with what is in Matthew 24:29.

You have left out a lot of other critical events as well. Like the placing of the Abomination of Desolation in the temple. You also erred in saying what begins the Great Tribulation.

"After that: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation,"

The above excerpt from your narrative is not correct. His sitting in the temple, declaring himself to be god - is not what triggers the great tribulation The image made of the beast, made later, and placed in the temple is what triggers the great tribulation.

You also don't mention the person being killed and brought back to life - a major event during the 7 years.

You also don't indicate how long the great tribulation lasts. And you don't mention the 1290 days and 1335 days.



I have it all on my chart.



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You have....
1260 days..... (the AOD placed in the temple)......1260 days.... 30 days.....15 days.

.... but the stopping of the daily sacrifice takes place before then, followed by a whole series of related events*. Before getting to the AOD.

Stopping of the daily sacrifice. When? On day 1260? Or in the middle part of the 7 years, as I have said?

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

_______________________________________________________________

*Stops the daily sacrifice.
The Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act. 2Thessalonians2:4
The Antichrist killed.
Coming back to life as the beast.
The image of the beast made.
The image placed in the temple as the abomination of desolation.

____________________________________________________________

You will see all those things on my chart in the right places.

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You are turning Jesus into Antichrist. Jesus ends the sacrifice by sacrificing himself.
 
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You are turning Jesus into Antichrist. Jesus ends the sacrifice by sacrificing himself.
Just the opposite, you are turning Jesus into the Antichrist, interpretatively. The daily sacrifice did not end the day of Jesus's crucifixion. The daily sacrifice continued for decades afterward.

Was Jesus's crucifixion literal or spiritual? Was it an actual event? Did it actually physically happen?
 
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Just the opposite, you are turning Jesus into the Antichrist. The daily sacrifice did not end the day of Jesus's crucifixion. The daily sacrifice continued for decades afterward.

Was Jesus's crucifixion literal or spiritual? Was it an actual event? Did it actually physically happen?
It ended when Christ (it is finished) died on the cross and the veil rent. Only the blind kept the sacrifices to no avail. These also claim a third temple where they will practice sin and apostasy that cannot be forgiven when the sacrifices resume.
 
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It ended when Christ (it is finished) died on the cross and the veil rent. Only the blind kept the sacrifices to no avail. These also claim a third temple where they will practice sin and apostasy that cannot be forgiven when the sacrifices resume.

Was Jesus's crucifixion literal or spiritual? Was it an actual event? Did it actually physically happen?

Did the daily sacrifice continue physically after Jesus's crucifixion ? For decades afterward.
 
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Was Jesus's crucifixion literal or spiritual? Was it an actual event? Did it actually physically happen?

Did the daily sacrifice continue physically after Jesus's crucifixion ? For decades afterward.
It became an empty form that did nothing. Christian Gedge says animal sacrifice after the crucifixion was the abomination of desolation. Something to think about.
 
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It became an empty form that did nothing. Christian Gedge says animal sacrifice after the crucifixion was the abomination of desolation. Something to think about.
The animal scarifices were not the abomination of desolation.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The abomination of desolation has to be a combination of being setup and standing. i.e. a statue image of the beast in the standing position.

Something like this (my rendition, to convey the idea) ...

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or like this...

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I didn't say they were. I thought Christian Gege had something to think about. I believe the AoD happened in 161 BC with Antiochus. And Jesus uses it metaphorically (let him that reads understand) of the Romans bringing the desolation of the temple and city.
 
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I didn't say they were. I thought Christian Gege had something to think about. I believe the AoD happened in 161 BC with Antiochus. And Jesus uses it metaphorically (let him that reads understand) of the Romans bringing the desolation of the temple and city.
The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 is time of the end based on Daniel 12:4.

And Matthew 24 contains the Olivet discourse, which Jesus gave the near term, the long term, the end times future of Israel, the Jews. Matthew 24:15 triggers the great tribulation, which if not cut short no flesh will survive. Not a first century event.

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