I want to see timeline charts.....

[Dave L]

The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 is time of the end based on Daniel 12:4.

It happened in 161 BC. You need to stick with scripture and not borrow it to stake a future claim.

 

[Douggg]

It happened in 161 BC. You need to stick with scripture and not borrow it to stake a future claim.

It? what? The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 and Matthew 24:15 is end times, as is the great tribulation it triggers, which will be not be equaled ever again, and if not cut short no flesh would survive.

 

[Dave L]

It? what? The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11 -12 and Matthew 24:15 is end times, as is the great tribulation it triggers, which will be not be equaled ever again, and if not cut short no flesh would survive.

Jesus fulfilled the 70th week. Matthew 24 proves it. And you deny this and turn Christ into Antichrist.....

 

[Douggg]

Jesus fulfilled the 70th week. Matthew 24 proves it. And you deny this and turn Christ into Antichrist.....

Jesus will fulfill the 70 weeks when in returns at the end of the 70 week, completing the olivet discourse.

You are the one turning Christ into the Antichrist, interpretatively.

 

[Dave L]

Jesus will fulfill the 70 weeks when in returns at the end of the 70 week, completing the olivet discourse.

You are the one turning Christ into the Antichrist, interpretatively.

How can you prove a gap in the 70 weeks scripture does not mention or allow for?

 

[Douggg]

How can you prove a gap in the 70 weeks scripture does not mention or allow for?

The 70th week is described separately from the previous 69 weeks in Daniel 9. The Olivet discourse in Matthew 24 and the parable of the fig tree identifying the generation that will see the things take place in Matthew 24:15-30 confirms that the 70th week is still unfulfilled.

Which are on my chart of the 7 year 70th week.

 

[Dave L]

The 70th week is described separately from the previous 69 weeks. The Olivet discourse in Matthew 24 and the parable of the fig tree identifying the generation that will see the things take place in Matthew 24:15-30 confirms that the 70th week is still unfulfilled.

Which are on my chart of the 7 year 70th week.

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This proves nothing. Was the Babylonian captivity 69 years and still pending. The 7 days of creation only 5 and not finished yet?

 

[nolidad]

Stopping of the daily sacrifice. When? On day 1260? Or in the middle part of the 7 years, as I have said?

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

You say sometime around the middle, Gods Word says in the middle! SOOOOOOOO, show me your authority to correct Gods Word for HIm and I will consider your around the middle hypothesis. Other wise God at His Word is pretty good for me! YOU added "part" God didn't. Did He have a bad day of inspiring His prophet so He forgot that very important word?

 

[nolidad]

1st seal - White horse with crown and bow who conquers the world: Covid-19

2nd seal - Red horse with sword who brings conflict: Race riots

3rd seal - Black horse with scales and hunger: Food system collapses this autumn

4th seal - Pale horse with pestilence: 2nd Wave this winter

5th seal - White robes under the altar: Mass purge of Christians by the world

6th seal - Wrath of God (earthquakes, fire, the whole butt-kicking-for-goodness magubbins)

7th seal - Kingdom established

Probably wrong, but it fits.

First 6 are right on! The seventh seal reveals the 7 trumpets and the 7th trumpet reveals the 7 bowls which are gods final punishments on the unbelievers!

When Jesus returns- He establishes His kingdom after taking care of things like the goat sheep judgment, casting the beast and false prophet into teh lake of fire, abyssing satan, having Israel mourn for the 30 day period as prescribed, the cleansing of teh temple.

 

[Douggg]

You say sometime around the middle, Gods Word says in the middle!

Assuming that you have children, who at one time were at a young age. You loudly say from your porch.... "Kids, get out of the middle of street!" where they were playing. Did you mean for them to step a few feet off of the centerline?

The middle of the street did not mean the centerline.

The midst of the week does not mean limited to the exact middle day. But middle part of the week.

Nothing needs to be changed in Daniel 9:27; it is your understanding of what is meant by midst of the week that needs to be rethought by you.... not to be limited to an exact day.

 

[nolidad]

Assuming that you have children, who at one time were at a young age. You loudly say from your porch.... "Kids, get out of the middle of street!" where they were playing. Did you mean for them to step a few feet off of the centerline?

The middle of the street did not mean the centerline.

The midst of the week does not mean limited to the exact middle day. But middle part of the week.

Nothing needs to be changed in Daniel 9:27; it is your understanding of what is meant by midst of the week that needs to be rethought by you.... not to be limited to an exact day.

Irrelevant! Now prove that God was saying "Okay somehwere around the middle fo the week".

Me speaking to my kids and god inspiring His Word carry two very different weights of authority!

 

[mkgal1]

The 70th week is described separately from the previous 69 weeks in Daniel 9.

There are 3 sets of weeks in Daniel's prophecy - the first 7 weeks (49 years) + the next 3 score and 2 weeks (434 years)....then the final, Messianic week. If there's no gap between the first 7 weeks and the following 62 weeks, why would there be a gap between the 62 weeks and the 70th?

Where can you find any other pause in a prophetic calendar in Scripture?

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[mkgal1]

It? what? The abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 and Matthew 24:15 is end times, as is the great tribulation it triggers, which will be not be equaled ever again, and if not cut short no flesh would survive.

The AoD around 2 centuries BC was the end of the first Temple (which is what Jesus was bringing to their minds in Matthew 24:15, I believe). IOW....He was drawing a parallel that history was going to repeat in their generation.

 

[Douggg]

There are 3 sets of weeks in Daniel's prophecy - the first 7 weeks (49 years) + the next 3 score and 2 weeks (434 years)....then the final, Messianic week. If there's no gap between the first 7 weeks and the following 62 weeks, why would there be a gap between the 62 weeks and the 70th?

Because there is the 2000 years in the Olivet discourse for the time of the gentiles which the Jews have been forced into the nations.

There is no gap between the first 7 weeks and the 62 weeks - because that 7 weeks is when the command goes out to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls. Which the Jews by the series of commands by Artaxeres and Cyrus come back to Israel and begin rebuilding the city and walls.

From Jesus's death, cutoff in Daniel 9:26, the gap is because the Jews rejected Jesus and were forced into the nations, as the time of the gentiles occupying Jerusalem was over, 2000 years later. We only know that by historical hindsight. And the Jews over there having control of Jerusalem as their capital of Israel.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Jesus fulfilled the 70th week. Matthew 24 proves it. And you deny this and turn Christ into Antichrist.....

Basically agree. But can you just expand were you think Matthew 24 proves it. Thanks.

 

[Douggg]

The AoD around 2 centuries BC was the end of the first Temple (which is what Jesus was bringing to their minds in Matthew 24:15, I believe). IOW....He was drawing a parallel that history was going to repeat in their generation.

The AOD committed by Antiochus - yes.

But not the time of the end AOD, in Daniel 12:11-12.

Jesus is not bringing Antiochus AOD into their minds in preparation for the 70AD event.

There is no AOD in the near term verses of the Olivet discourse.

And there was nothing about the 70AD event that the great tribulation, to be unequaled ever again, and if not cut short no flesh would survive - triggered by the AOD - took place in 70 AD.

Matthew 24:15-30 is all end times. Right click on the chart, and then choose view image to make the chart large, easier to see.

 

[mkgal1]

Because there is the 2000 years in the Olivet discourse for the time of the gentiles which the Jews have been forced into the nations.

Please elaborate on this.

 

[mkgal1]

There is no gap between the first 7 weeks and the 62 weeks - because that 7 weeks is when the command goes out to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls. Which the Jews by the series of commands by Artaxeres and Cyrus come back to Israel and begin rebuilding the city and walls.

From Jesus's death, cutoff in Daniel 9:26, the gap is because the Jews rejected Jesus and were forced into the nations, as the time of the gentiles occupying Jerusalem was over, 2000 years later.

When the time clock begins in 457 BC (the time that the beginning of the building begins - Ezra 7:1-27).....69 weeks (483 years) brings the year to 27 AD. Are you sure you want to cut off those years (27 AD - 34 AD)?

457 BC + 483 years (69 weeks) = 27 AD

 

[Douggg]

Please elaborate on this.

We only know the length of time for the time of the gentiles as being 2000 years - because we know 1948 and 1967. 20/20 hindsight.

In Luke 21, the parallel to the Olivet discourse, in Luke 21:24 we have the Jews forced into the nations in 70 ad. And the beginning of time of the gentiles controlling Jerusalem. Which turned out to be 2000 years long.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

On my chart, I show that long term future of Israel, the Jews, that Jesus was presenting in the Olivet discourse, as the middle section on my chart. See where I placed Luke 21:24 ?

 

[keras]

Because it conflicts to where you have placed the sixth seal - which your whole scenario is based on.

This is our basic disagreement.
I stand by the sequence as Written in Revelation; All the Seals first, then after the Temple is desecrated by the AC sitting in it AND his statue placed there, will commence the 1260 day period of the Great Trib, then Jesus will Return.
Matthew 24:29 refers to the just happened GT. Revelation 15:1

You don't see how there must be some kind of dramatic event to enable the establishment of a One World Govt, that will soon be ruled by a dictator.
Tis rather obvious that now, it won't be any leader of the nearly defunct European Union. Daniel 7:23 proves its worldwide rule.

So your 'chart' starts out wrong. It talks about a false king of Jewish Israel; that is never prophesied and the Jesus hating Jews are all gone as Jeremiah 12:14 and many other verses tell us.
Then you say there will be a 'rapture' in there somewhere. This idea is totally off the Biblical rails. It is a fable, a Satanic lie that is a serious indictment against those who teach it.
No much else is right either; but Jesus will Return and destroy the attacking armies by the Sword of His Word, THAT will happen!