I want to see timeline charts.....

[Douggg]

So you should run to and fro and your knowledge shall increase.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[shilohsfoal]

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

That's what people need to do.

 

[James Honigman]

To very active posters at this forum,

What I want to see from you, is not just your verbiage of your eschatology view. I want to see a timeline chart of the elements of your eschatology position.

What you should do is make a timeline chart of all your iterations, fitting everything you have been writing about and claiming, and putting it into a non-fragmented form of a timeline chart. To show how any of it makes sense.

Start a timeline chart.... and work on it, until the contradictions are ironed out. it will probably be an ongoing work in progress.

Here is mine....which most of you have seen over and over. You make yours - prove your views, interpretations, and claims, fit together to form the big picture.



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Here is my timeline Doug: Our Beloved was crucified two days ago and He will rise again on the third day.

 

[nolidad]

Well, you make one that works.

I will write them out thank you. If that is not good enough, then I guess we are done with each other!

There are not an "extra" 30 and then 45 days. In the first place, extra to what? Nevermind...

My chart is correct but....

You make a timeline chart of your own that you think is correct. No one can settle for you writing one out - because your communicating skills are so lacking, and you don't even realize it. For example, you just wrote "YOu have the sixth seal being opened and placed it under the 7th trumpet sounding..."

The error in what you wrote is you said the sixth seal being "opened".

The sixth seal and all the other seals were opened by Jesus back in John's day - otherwise, no-one would know what is in the book.

To communicate correctly, you should have wrote... "you have the sixth seal event taking place after the 7th angel sounding his trumpet".

Linguistically and grammatically and historically you are incorrect! JOhn saw a vision of what was to come in the future. The seal was not "actually" opened as is clearly understood by the fact that after a seal is opened certain events happen. Just like when the trumpets sound and when the vials are poured out! There is a difference between seeing a vision and reality!

But the sixth seal events do not take place after the sounding of the 7th trumpet! The sixth seal events take place before even one trumpet sounds!

Timeline and charts are cute- but if they are inaccurate as yours is- they do not help make your hypothesis any more accurate!

Do you know how many times I have to go back, edit, and fix all my typing errors, left out words, bad punctuation, wrong way of saying something, overly emotional remarks, all of which is poor communications on my part, and such in every post I make - after I make my post the first time? Usually around three or four times, I have to edit every post, usually seconds after I post it.

To make a good timeline chart, presentable, it is going to take some effort on your part to learn something new in the way of a graphics program like paintshop pro 2020 for example. Don't use laziness as excuse.

Even with spell check I don't catch all my mistakes. I don't think they are so grievous as to cause my posts unreadable. Is it sloppy? Sure! But I would rather discuss things than to make crayin drawings to impress someone who has made one that is wrong!

And the extra 30 and 45 days or the 1335 days Daniel said if people make are blessed are to allow for quite a few events on earth to take place after Jesus returns and before the restoration of most of the earth and the start of His 1,000 year kingdom on earth!

Verses describing this extra 75 days after Jesus returns and what takes place are as follows:

Dan. 12:11-12
REv. 19:20
Rev. 20:1-3
Joel 3:1-3
Mt. 25:31-33
Mt. 25:34-40, 41-45

All these things take time to happen on earth! And the Bible tells us it will take 75 days for it to happen.

 

[Douggg]

The seal was not "actually" opened as is clearly understood by the fact that after a seal is opened certain events happen. Just like when the trumpets sound and when the vials are poured out! There is a difference between seeing a vision and reality!

The seals were actually opened to know what was in the book. None of the events revealed by opening the seals have begun yet, including the trumpets and vials events.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

No one could know what is in the book unless the seals have been opened already.

When the seventh seal was opened, then what was in the remainder of the book could be known.

1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

...in awe to see what was in the remainder of the book.

And the extra 30 and 45 days or the 1335 days Daniel said if people make are blessed are to allow for quite a few events on earth to take place after Jesus returns and before the restoration of most of the earth and the start of His 1,000 year kingdom on earth!

Again. Extra to what? Can't you see the shortcomings to written only communications when discussing eschatology?

Verses describing this extra 75 days after Jesus returns and what takes place are as follows:

Dan. 12:11-12
REv. 19:20
Rev. 20:1-3
Joel 3:1-3
Mt. 25:31-33
Mt. 25:34-40, 41-45

All these things take time to happen on earth! And the Bible tells us it will take 75 days for it to happen.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

There are not an extra 30, nor 45, days to anything. The 1335th day is the day that Jesus returns to end the 7 years. 1335 days before then is when the AoD is setup to be worshiped. On a 2520 day, i.e.7 year, timeline chart, that is on Day 1185.

Your error in thinking is that you place the AoD setup on the exact middle day of 1260. Which is not what the text is indicating in Daniel 9:27. In Daniel 9:27, it is in the midst of the week. Another way of saying in the middle part of the week. It does not mean the exact midpoint, i.e. day 1260 - as you are thinking.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

My chart is right.

 

[Redwingfan9]

...and totally wrong. But that is not the point. You have no information is what you just wrote in essence, just an ambiguous statement from a bible prophecy standpoint.

How does what you wrote, explain the parable of the fig tree generation? for example. When all of the prophecies in Matthew 24:15-30 will take place.

Matthew 24 happened already in 70ad when Rome sacked Jerusalem, murdered 2 million people and had orders to leave no stone unturned. Christians heeded the word of their savior and fled to the mountains and were spared.

 

[keras]

My chart is right.

The day will come when you will regret the promotion of your beliefs and opinions.

You are wrong is two main issues; the placement of the Sixth Seal and the anytime rapture.
The Sixth Seal is the next action by the Lord, Jesus made that clear when He stopped reading Isaiah 61:1-2, before; and a day of the vengeance of our God. Luke 12:49

Any 'rapture to heaven' is false teaching. We ask in the Lords prayer; for His Kingdom to come here, not for us to go to it.

As is usual when I post the Bible based sequence of events, those whose beliefs are contradicted by it, just ignore and bury it under petty squabbling's.

 

[mkgal1]

My chart is right.

I'm sure all of us believe our theology is "right" or else we wouldn't believe it......right? However.....even though most of us are all Christian here.....there are even disagreements about the fulfillment of the Gospels....the basics (let alone the symbolic/apocalyptic books like Daniel and Revelation).

 

[Douggg]

The Sixth Seal is the next action by the Lord, Jesus made that clear when He stopped reading Isaiah 61:1-2, before; and a day of the vengeance of our God. Luke 12:49

Without a chart, based on just that statement - a person could not see the obvious error in your thinking.

But without a chart, the obvious error is concealed - because you are not going to admit to the error in your thinking. That you have the same event taking place twice.

The sixth seal event....
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Matthew 24:29 event....

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

[Douggg]

I'm sure all of us believe our theology is "right" or else we wouldn't believe it......right? However.....even though most of us are all Christian here.....there are even disagreements about the fulfillment of the Gospels....the basics (let alone the symbolic/apocalyptic books like Daniel and Revelation).

The big problem is that complexity of the different views are not readily seen without some sort of timeline chart of each person's view.

I am not saying make my timeline chart - make your timeline chart.

Then I am going to ask for you to point out the great tribulation time, and perhaps timeframe - on your chart, if you don't show it. for example.

 

[Douggg]

Matthew 24 happened already in 70ad when Rome sacked Jerusalem, murdered 2 million people and had orders to leave no stone unturned. Christians heeded the word of their savior and fled to the mountains and were spared.

A generic statement. Does not mention the beginning of the great tribulation, nor the abomination of desolation which triggers it. No timeline chart of the major events in prophecy - no proof that your statement makes sense.

By verbiage only, a person would have to write a book in their post, to convey that their view fits all of the major events together in a logical fashion.

I am doing below, what everyone here should be doing, their own chart according to the view they hold. Without writing a volume the size of a book.

 

[Douggg]

As is usual when I post the Bible based sequence of events, those whose beliefs are contradicted by it, just ignore and bury it under petty squabbling's.

But without you showing a timeline chart of your view - it takes years of other participants here in this forum, reading and debating with you to even understand what you view is - across the span of the end times.

By me including my chart - others can tell what my view is, without a couple of hundred posts.

 

[keras]

That you have the same event taking place twice.

In no way is the Sixth Seal, Revelation 6:12-17, the same event as the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls; referred to in Matthew 24:29.
This is your error, the one that makes your 'chart' into a useless scribble.

But without you showing a timeline chart of your view - it takes years of other participants here in this forum, reading and debating with you to even understand what you view is - across the span of the end times.

My post in #7, is a simple list, easily read step by step correct and logical, sequence of events, which anyone can understand.
The avoidance of people here to even discuss it, is very telling. But I realize that for anyone who has a fixed belief of what they want God to do, the real truths are hidden from them. Isaiah 29:9-12 God CAN make people believe what is false; 2 Thess 2:11, this is clear how we Christians have strong beliefs about the Prophetic Word, that are contradictory.

So who is right? Simple; the one whose beliefs are fully supported by scripture.
The Lords Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal event, is not when Jesus Returns.
Proved by the SS in Revelation 6:12-17 and the Return in Revelation 19:11, with 13 chapters of prophesied things to happen between them.

There is no 'rapture to heaven' of the Church. No scripture says that.

 

[Douggg]

In no way is the Sixth Seal, Revelation 6:12-17, the same event as the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls; referred to in Matthew 24:29.

Not talking about the 7 trumpets and 7 bowls...

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

same event as in the sixth seal.

 

[Douggg]

My post in #7, is a simple list, easily read step by step correct and logical, sequence of events, which anyone can understand.
The avoidance of people here to even discuss it, is very telling.

Because you don't have a well executed timline chart to present.

 

[keras]

Not talking about the 7 trumpets and 7 bowls...

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

same event as in the sixth seal.

But they are plainly NOT the same event. Revelation 6:12b says the moon will be blood red, not dark as at the Return.

Because you don't have a well executed timline chart to present.

Give over, Douggg, you are using this to avoid the truths I have presented.
I say again, you would be better to give up prophecy, as you are constantly proved wrong, yet you seem unable to accept correction.

 

[Douggg]

But they are plainly NOT the same event. Revelation 6:12b says the moon will be blood red, not dark as at the Return.

You cannot reconcile in your mind how those words can be describing the same event? Dark does not necessary mean black. And blood red does not mean by the light of the moon. Turning blood red the moon will be darkened.

The kjv btw in Revelation 6:12.... and the moon became as blood;

The kjv in Matthew 24:29....... and the moon shall not give her light,

 

[BABerean2]

But they are plainly NOT the same event. Revelation 6:12b says the moon will be blood red, not dark as at the Return.

What is the probability of the following common elements in these two verses if they are unrelated?

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;


Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

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[Johan_1988]

At least he is thinking. I have not had time to look them over yet.

No problem, take your time. There us a lot to take in.

 

[Douggg]

What is the probability of the following common elements in these two verses if they are unrelated?

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;


Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

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zero and none.