The Law of The Spirit

The Law of The Spirit is the Perfect Law of Liberty attained via the conscience.
Romans 8:
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Acts 24:16. Because of this, I always strive to maintain a clear conscience
before God and all people.

Galatians 5:
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Conversely, believers who neglect the Spirit are convicted by the Law, when they ignore the convictions of conscience.
1 Timothy 4:
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron.

Romans 2:15. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.

2 Corinthians 1:12. For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.

2 Corinthians 4:2. But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

1 Timothy 1:5. Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith.

1 Timothy 1:19. Having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck.

1 Timothy 3:9. Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

2 Timothy 1:3. I thank God, whom I serve with a pure conscience, as my forefathers
did, as without ceasing I remember you in my prayers night and day.

Titus 1:15. To the pure all things pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving
nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.

1 Peter 2:19. For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.

1 Peter 3:16. Having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.

Hebrews 9:14. How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 10:22. Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,
having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

James 1:25. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and abides in it,
and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

James 2:12. So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

BobRyan said:

The Jews tried to "edit/downsize" the Commandments of God with a lot of "nice sounding ideas"

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I have never heard of the Talmud referred to as "downsizing". This was Yeshua's assessment:
Luke 11:46. And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
The Law of the Spirit isn't replacing the Ten Commandments, it is about fulfilling the righteous requirements thereof by abiding in the promise of the Spirit.
All scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness.[Torah]

By the Spirit, The Lord, who is the Spirit, continued to give us commandments.
1 Thessalonians 5:
8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.
12 And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,
13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. Be at peace among yourselves.
14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all.
15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.
16 Rejoice always,
17 pray without ceasing,
18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
19 Do not quench the Spirit!!!
20 Do not despise prophecies.
21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
22 Abstain from every form of evil.


28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

HARK! said:

The Talmud are the laws of men. Do you believe that the Pharisees were fully following the Torah?

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This was clear from the full post that you snipped from:
I have never heard of the Talmud referred to as "downsizing". This was Yeshua's assessment:
Luke 11:46. And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
The Law of the Spirit isn't replacing the Ten Commandments, it is about fulfilling the righteous requirements thereof by abiding in the promise of the Spirit.
"All scripture is profitable for instruction in righteousness".[Torah]
I am fully aware that the Talmud is the dogma that Paul addresses and dismisses. You surely know this about me from dozens of posts from the past. Address your comments to the forum.

HARK! said:

Paul has presented us with a dichotomy between the flesh and the Spirit.

Notice that this verse is a conclusion. It begins the chapter; but these chapters weren't created by Paul. Paul intended this letter to be read as a complete thought. Let's see what predicates this conclusion.

24 A wretched man am I! What will rescue me out of this body of death? Grace! 25 I thank God, through Jesus Christ, our Lord. Consequently, then, I myself, with the mind, indeed, am slaving for God's law, yet with the flesh for Sin's law."

Well it's built on another dichotomy, between being a slave to the Torah, and transgressing the Torah. There doesn't seem to be much wiggle room here. Being a slave is very strong language.

Do you believe that we can be a slave to the Torah, while transgressing the Torah?

Herein lies the answer to walking in the Ruach.

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What Paul was proving goes back to chapter 6, not the end of 7.
Here is just a portion:
16 Are you not aware that to whom you are presenting yourselves as slaves for obedience, his slaves you are, whom you are obeying, whether of Sin for death, or of Obedience for righteousness?
17 Now thanks be to God that you were slaves of Sin, yet you obey from the heart the type of teaching to which you were given over."
18 Now, being freed from Sin, you are enslaved to Righteousness."
19 As a man am I saying this, because of the infirmity of your flesh. For even as you present your members as slaves to Uncleanness and to Lawlessness for lawlessness, thus now present your members as slaves to Righteousness for holiness."
20 For when you were slaves of Sin, you were free as to Righteousness."

The dichotomy is this: Righteousness by Law, or by Grace through Faith.
Galatians 2:21. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law,
then Christ is dead in vain.
Romans 8:4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Galatians 3:21. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Philippians 3:9. And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

We receive the Spirit by Faith. We are bought with a price, we are not our own.
We belong the Jesus Christ.
We are His Slaves, until we become His Friends. That is another topic. Sorry.

HARK! said:

That's right. The law of the spirit is about being a slave to YHWH's Torah.

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Wrong. You must abide in the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 2:21. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law,
then Christ is dead in vain.
Romans 8:4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Galatians 3:21. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Philippians 3:9. And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

By the Spirit, The Lord, who is the Spirit, continued to give us commandments.
Note that many are already found in the Law, as Paul cites. Thus, we are to establish,
and fulfill the Law by a new and better way. By obeying the Spirit given us as a gift.
Living our lives together in Christ.
Romans 12:
9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.
10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another;
11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord;
12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;
13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.[lovingkindness to strangers]
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.
15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate
with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men.
18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.
20 Therefore
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

HARK! said:

That's not the dichotomy that Paul presented in Romans Chapter 8. His words are clear.

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It was your point that the beginning verses of Romans 8 are established in context by what preceded.
You need to go much further back than the last 2 verses of chapter 7 to follow his teaching.
What he lays out in chapter 6 is essential, if you want to talk about "slaving".
Then it is much more clear.
In chapter 7, he states 3 times that the issue to be resolved is "sin that dwells in me".
In chapter 8, he contrasts this by saying 3 times that IF the Spirit dwells in you, you will not sin. When you see the contrast that he is making, you understand that what he is saying aligns perfectly with Messiah Yeshua and John in his first epistle:"abide in the Spirit, and you will not sin".
This is the fulfillment of the Promise.

HARK! said:

Paul is not wrong. He's a slave to YHWH's law, as he follows the example of Yahshua.

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I did not say Paul is wrong. I said and will say it again, you are wrong. You are contradicting Paul.
Galatians 2:21. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law,
then Christ is dead in vain.
Romans 8:4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Galatians 3:21. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Philippians 3:9. And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

If you are saying that I am wrong, then please provide your interpretation of each of these verses. Or you can just abide in your own opinion. I know all the single scriptures that you have quoted out of context, and clearly will not be convinced by such. These four all align, in or out of context. Feel free to post the entire chapter for each if you want. If you are a teacher, teach, if you are a debater, show where the anointing comes from for that. Or is this your interpretation of contending for the Faith?

HARK! said:

I already explained the verses in question. Let's not change the subject.

By the way, you didn't answer my question:

Do you believe that we can be a slave to the Torah, while transgressing the Torah?

Paul was a slave to the Torah, as he imitated Yahshua.

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I disagree with your conclusions. Paul does not say that we are a slave to the Torah, those are your words. That is the answer to your question. I fail to see how you have explained the verses I posted, so don't bother, there is no need to continue this, time to move on. Have Joy in what remains of your day.

HARK! said:

The Talmud are the laws of men. Do you believe that the Pharisees were fully following the Torah?

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Here is a perfect example of you stepping into the middle of a discussion between myself and BobRyan, cutting out "what interests you" and then asking me a question as if you are the moderator on my OP.
If you would judge yourself, you would not be judged. This was rude, by your own standards.

Law.
Leviticus 19:4 Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
Prophet.
Isaiah 2:8. Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:
Writings:
1 Samuel 15:23. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
Messiah.
Revelation 2:14. But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Apostles.
1 Corinthians 10:14. Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
1 John 5:21. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
Colossians 3:5. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

"covetousness, which is idolatry". This is the best definition of idolatry that I have found in scripture.

We must keep ourselves from idols to fulfill the righteous requirements of the Law.
If we propose this thought experiment: "Is a cell phone an idol or potentially an idol?"
If we presented this question to 100 different clerics, rabbi's, pastors, theologians, etc..and
in particular, asked for guidance on how to avoid letting a cell phone become an idol, we would
get a diverse enough range of opinions, especially when you include Sabbath restrictions to assemble
a fair amount of "Talmud, opinion or dogma" to get back to square one, trying to maintain righteousness by a law. The Law of the Spirit says that we must maintain a strong conscience, a giving heed to the Voice of the Spirit, and be obedient from the heart to fulfill the righteous requirements of the Law and the prophets. This is the Gospel that Paul preached.