do you believe ufos are demons flying?

bekkilyn · Oct 22, 2019

AvisG said:
You're mixing apples and oranges. There are beliefs such as Young Earth Creationism that are "odd" because they are against the vast weight of overwhelming evidence from every scientific and academic discipline. They rest on nothing more than a foundation of religious belief. YEC "science" is desperate non-science, bearing no relation to the work done (for example) by the Intelligent Design proponents. Outside of YEC, there is no debate whatsoever about the earth being roughly 14.7 billion years old. "Odd" is a very charitable euphemism for YEC.

The possibility that UFOs are in whole or part demonic, on the other hand, is seriously entertained - and increasingly so - by mainstream thinkers in ufology. If this speculation is something you've only "heard from a few Christians online and IRL," you need to get out more. This speculation is seriously entertained by researchers who are not Christians or even religious. What they mean by "demonic" may not be exactly the same as what a fundamentalist Christian believes, but in general it means "malevolent beings from a reality or dimension other than our own." Indeed, over the past decade this speculation has entered the UFO speculation mainstream.

This speculation is "odd" only because the UFO phenomenon itself is extremely odd. It is not "odd" in the way that YEC is odd. The phenomenon has so many aspects that suggest an origin in a different reality than our own that it invites a host of "odd" explanations - ultra-terrestrials, interdimensional interactions, Jungian manifestations, demons. The mundane explanations just don't fit.

So to get chuckles out of ridiculing the possibility that at least some parts of the UFO phenomenon may be demonic merely exposes a lack of knowledge about the UFO phenomenon. Perhaps you think fundamentalist Christian demonology is as silly as YEC, but there are serious UFO researchers who might well agree with you about fundamentalist Christian demonology and YEC but still entertain the possibility that UFOs have their origin in ""malevolent beings from a reality or dimension other than our own."

While of course it is possible that UFO's may be some sort of spiritual being OR some sort of natural life form that is beyond the range of the limits of human senses under most circumstances does not necessarily mean that they are malevolent or demonic, any more than micro-organisms were demonic before we were able to see them in a microscope. That's not to say that demons are not a possibility, but considering the history of things that humans have decided were demonic before being better understood by scientific study, chances are pretty good that they are not demons, at least as described by the typical fundamentalist.

coffee4u · Oct 22, 2019

I believe UFO's and alien sightings are:
1) Naturel phenomenon not being understood.
2) Hallucinations either from mental illness or from alcohol or other drugs
3) Demons

Basil the Great · Oct 22, 2019

lambofgod43985889 said:
or not

No, UFO's are indeed alien beings from other planets. Also, ghosties are real and almost all of them are human souls that are trapped between worlds and have not yet fully passed on to the other side.

eucatastrophe · Oct 22, 2019

The UFO phenomena forms a continuum with fairy encounters. They are moments of high strangeness where man steps into something beyond his normal experience. There often seems to be an intelligence there...some "other"...directing or observing or interacting with him. Sometimes that intelligence seems malevolent, but more often it is just strange, with it's own rules and "vocabulary" if you will. What it "means" is impossible to say. It seems to have always been with us. Maybe it is just a part of creation we have yet to fully explore.

GingerBeer · Oct 22, 2019

lambofgod43985889 said:
or not

No. I think that unidentified flying objects are airborne objects that have not yet been identified.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 22, 2019

bekkilyn said:
Or owls are simply one of the wonderful birds that God created and deemed to be good.

It's also possible that these "abductions" are a form of astral projection or lucid dreaming and have nothing whatsoever to do with demons (or any other entities) at all.

Astral projection is demonic. It's a part of the occult. Lucid dreaming is when a person appears to be aware that they are dreaming while having a dream and that they can sometimes control that dream. I was only able to control what I was able to do once in a dream when I was a kid. I remember one time doing summersaults through the air over my basement steps within my dream. This is not really a planned kind of thing, and it just seems to happen to some people for some unknown reason. I am not sure how this has anything to do with folks who claim that they were abducted by aliens (that are actually demons in disguise), though.

To me you say "alien" and I think demon because that is what the evidences or bread crumbs point to. It's like splatters of blood all over a room within a crime scene. It is a clue that a murder could have happened in such a place. Sure, it could be something else. But the more clues you find that point to it in being a murder, the more likely the possibility that it is murder. The same is true with aliens in being demons. That is exactly the same thing. But folks do not want to see it because they want to believe in the existence of aliens for some odd reason. They have some kind of need for them to exist. However, this need stems from outside the Bible.

bekkilyn · Oct 22, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
Astral projection is demonic. It's a part of the occult. Lucid dreaming is when a person appears to be aware that they are dreaming while having a dream and that they can sometimes control that dream. I was only able to control what I was able to do once in a dream when I was a kid. I remember one time doing summersaults through the air over my basement steps within my dream. This is not really a planned kind of thing, and it just seems to happen to some people for some unknown reason. I am not sure how this has anything to do with folks who claim that they were abducted by aliens (that are actually demons in disguise), though.

To me you say "alien" and I think demon because that is what the evidences or bread crumbs point to. It's like splatters of blood all over a room within a crime scene. It is a clue that a murder could have happened in such a place. Sure, it could be something else. But the more clues you find that point to it in being a murder, the more likely the possibility that it is murder. The same is true with aliens in being demons. That is exactly the same thing. But folks do not want to see it because they want to believe in the existence of aliens for some odd reason. They have some kind of need for them to exist. However, this need stems from outside the Bible.

Things that were considered part of the occult and demonic in the past are popular science nowadays. Things that we don't understand now will be understood 100 years from now. If a mobile phone popped into the world 500 years ago, all the fundamentalist religious folks would be claiming it was filled with all sorts of demons and anyone operating it as practicing the occult arts.

ChicanaRose · Oct 22, 2019

timothyu said:
Man deceives. Why would demons need to?

I agree. Why would they make it so obvious? Snake would be more subtle.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 22, 2019

bekkilyn said:
Things that were considered part of the occult and demonic in the past are popular science nowadays. Things that we don't understand now will be understood 100 years from now. If a mobile phone popped into the world 500 years ago, all the fundamentalist religious folks would be claiming it was filled with all sorts of demons and anyone operating it as practicing the occult arts.

So you claim that UFO sightings are the equivalent of a smartphone finding its way into the hands of certain religious folk in the past who think it was demonic? Well, if so. It's not the same thing. There are several coincidences that point to alien abductions, and UFO encounters as being demonic. If the coincidences I mentioned are not enough, then I would encourage you to do more research on your own and or pray to the Lord about it. They are clearly a deception. There was a time in my early Christian life that I could not see this because I loved Star Trek, etc. I imagine others have their own reasons for wanting aliens to exist. They have some kind of need that needs to be fulfilled by their existence. But only GOD and or Jesus truly satisfies a person's' needs in life. I held on to the view that they existed once because I loved a TV show once. It was an idol for me. But I put that idol away out of my life.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 22, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
I agree. Why would they make it so obvious? Snake would be more subtle.

There was a report once of a person claiming to have seen a reptile like alien coming out of a spaceship before. Sure, they could have been lying or hopped up on drugs or who knows what. But what if they simply seen a demon masquardering as as an alien? The point I am getting at is that they do not appear to be friendly to Jesus; Especially when a Christian invokes to cast them out in His name.

GACfan · Oct 22, 2019

bekkilyn said:
Things that were considered part of the occult and demonic in the past are popular science nowadays. Things that we don't understand now will be understood 100 years from now. If a mobile phone popped into the world 500 years ago, all the fundamentalist religious folks would be claiming it was filled with all sorts of demons and anyone operating it as practicing the occult arts.

I don't understand why some Christians look for demonic influence everywhere they turn. As I said, I don't go around looking for a demonic boogeyman to explain away the unexplainable or to blame for my problems. I also don't expect other Christians to experience the same problems as I have and I don't go around telling other Christians that they shouldn't watch some tv shows that I don't like.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 22, 2019

My short synopsis or take away on this video: "The existence of aliens offers man something that he needs. That he is not alone in the universe. This gives the person who does not believe in God to find some kind of comfort that replaces the need for God in a small way. They are not alone. For the believer, this makes less sense to have this need be fulfilled. For God is their Comforter, and friend, and He will never leave them nor forsake them."

DamianWarS · Oct 23, 2019

lambofgod43985889 said:
do you believe ufos are demons flying?

what is their motivation? They would seem to be ambivalent if in fact non-human UFOs and demons/angels are not ambivalent.

bekkilyn · Oct 23, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
So you claim that UFO sightings are the equivalent of a smartphone finding its way into the hands of certain religious folk in the past who think it was demonic? Well, if so. It's not the same thing. There are several coincidences that point to alien abductions, and UFO encounters as being demonic. If the coincidences I mentioned are not enough, then I would encourage you to do more research on your own and or pray to the Lord about it. They are clearly a deception. There was a time in my early Christian life that I could not see this because I loved Star Trek, etc. I imagine others have their own reasons for wanting aliens to exist. They have some kind of need that needs to be fulfilled by their existence. But only GOD and or Jesus truly satisfies a person's' needs in life. I held on to the view that they existed once because I loved a TV show once. It was an idol for me. But I put that idol away out of my life.

What I'm saying is that it's easy (and common among fundamentalist religious types throughout history) to attribute to demons what is natural simply because it's unknown or undiscovered for its time. We are arrogant in our time because we believe we know everything already. The chance of UFOs being demons is very small compared to all the other things they could be, such as something very much a part of our natural world or universe. Doesn't mean they have to be aliens either.

klutedavid · Oct 23, 2019

lambofgod43985889 said:
or not

The UFO idea began where?

In America and coincides with the rise of air travel.

Do I need to say anymore?

bekkilyn · Oct 23, 2019

GACfan said:
I don't understand why some Christians look for demonic influence everywhere they turn. As I said, I don't go around looking for a demonic boogeyman to explain away the unexplainable or to blame for my problems. I also don't expect other Christians to experience the same problems as I have and I don't go around telling other Christians that they shouldn't watch some tv shows that I don't like.

Fundamentalist types of Christianity is extremely fear-based. An angry, wrathful God just waiting to send you to hell for even thinking the wrong things and demons and devils lurking everywhere, under every stone and apparently acting all mysterious while flying around in the sky.

However, like Paul, "I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 8:38-39)

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2019

bekkilyn said:
What I'm saying is that it's easy (and common among fundamentalist religious types throughout history) to attribute to demons what is natural simply because it's unknown or undiscovered for its time. We are arrogant in our time because we believe we know everything already. The chance of UFOs being demons is very small compared to all the other things they could be, such as something very much a part of our natural world or universe. Doesn't mean they have to be aliens either.

i think you need to research the other side of the debate and ask the Lord. For me: If there are a repeat occurrence of coincidences, that usually is a "tell." But if you need more, then by all means, do your own homework, my friend.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2019

bekkilyn said:
Fundamentalist types of Christianity is extremely fear-based. An angry, wrathful God just waiting to send you to hell for even thinking the wrong things and demons and devils lurking everywhere, under every stone and apparently acting all mysterious while flying around in the sky.

However, like Paul, "I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 8:38-39)

I honestly do not think about it much. I am too busy focusing on God's commands in the New Testament to think about such things.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2019

bekkilyn said:
What I'm saying is that it's easy (and common among fundamentalist religious types throughout history) to attribute to demons what is natural simply because it's unknown or undiscovered for its time. We are arrogant in our time because we believe we know everything already. The chance of UFOs being demons is very small compared to all the other things they could be, such as something very much a part of our natural world or universe. Doesn't mean they have to be aliens either.

How is your life more complete if aliens do exist?
Is there a need for aliens to exist for you?
Atheists tend to have no problem believing in aliens.
It gives them a sense of meaning that they are not alone in the universe (Sort of like a replacement for GOD).
It gives them comfort that they have little space buddies flying around in the universe somewhere to help them (instead of GOD). Personally, I would not want to be holding to a questionable belief or view that atheists find comfort in. But again, you are free to believe as you wish.

bekkilyn · Oct 23, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
i think you need to research the other side of the debate and ask the Lord. For me: If there are a repeat occurrence of coincidences, that usually is a "tell." But if you need more, then by all means, do your own homework, my friend.

I don't view it as an "other side" or even as a debate, but as only one possibility out of many, and typically the least likely possibility. While I do not reject the possibility (though very slight) that they could be demons, a more natural or mundane explanation is much more probable. Not to mention that there is no good reason for demons to behave like that and waste time mysteriously flying around in the sky when they can very easily influence humans simply by setting up a YouTube channel or starting a blog.

Bible Highlighter said:
How is your life more complete if aliens do exist?
Is there a need for aliens to exist for you?

Aliens are simply yet another possibility out of many. I don't have a dualistic view that if they aren't demons, they must be aliens, or vice versa.

Atheists tend to have no problem believing in aliens.
It gives them a sense of meaning that they are not alone in the universe (Sort of like a replacement for GOD).
It gives them comfort that they have little space buddies flying around in the universe somewhere to help them (instead of GOD). Personally, I would not want to be holding to a questionable belief or view that atheists find comfort in. But again, you are free to believe as you wish.

I don't believe that atheists take a religious view when it comes to extraterrestrial life. It's more a matter that people can visibly see the vastness of the universe and all the stars and all the planets that likely rotate around those stars (suns) and the statistical chance that there is probably intelligent life on some of them. Atheists would likely view it as a far more rational possibility than demons, at least as described by fundamentalists.

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