Are Seventh Day Adventists open to OSAS because i saw that in a thread i found on bing?

Gary K said:

That could be it's just that any time I've looked at recent posts site wide and found one that I would like to post to I was denied permission so I've just restricted my posting to the SDA forums and do all the rest of my posting on other sites. It just wasn't worth the hassle to keep on trying to find one I could post to. I figure I have more productive ways to spend my time.

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Monk Brendan said:

In one of them written at or shortly after an SDA conference, EGW said, "My angel told me that some of them present would be food for worms, others subjects of the seven last plagues, and still others would be alive to be translated when Jesus returns."

Curiously enough, while the index of her writings have alt least 9 pages of her quotes when she trashes the RCC, she has NOTHING to say about Orthodoxy or the other Eastern Churches.

Could it be that she simply was not aware of our existence?

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bekkilyn said:

That was probably the Christian Apologetics forum. I get denied there too because I've never bothered to request permission. That's the only one I've ever bumped into where I couldn't post, even before I upgraded membership.

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mmksparbud said:

Everyone always mentions this one---it was conditional.

She did not trash the RCC. She often said that there were many very true and sincere worshippers. A person can be against a system of believes and not be against the people. I am totally opposed to Scientology and many others believe systems---I am not opposed to the people. I can not address the Orthodoxy question for she did not mention them that I know of. Does not mean she was not aware of them, but that they are not instrumental in some things, esp. dealing with bible prophecy. They did not have the power that the RCC had over Europe that the RCC had or will again have.

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mmksparbud said:

Everyone always mentions this one---it was conditional.

She did not trash the RCC. She often said that there were many very true and sincere worshippers. A person can be against a system of believes and not be against the people. I am totally opposed to Scientology and many others believe systems---I am not opposed to the people. I can not address the Orthodoxy question for she did not mention them that I know of. Does not mean she was not aware of them, but that they are not instrumental in some things, esp. dealing with bible prophecy. They did not have the power that the RCC had over Europe that the RCC had or will again have.

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Monk Brendan said:

Did you know that both Jerusalem and Mecca sit on seven hills?

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mmksparbud said:

So do about 50 others -- listed in Wikipedia. There are many other details to this than the 7 hills.

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Monk Brendan said:

Did you know that EGW opined that the lower races were the result of "amalgamation of man and beasts"?

She also wrote that every species God did not create were destroyed in the Flood.

How can there be a species God did not create?

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mmksparbud said:

There you go again---putting quotes around words does not mean you are quoting the source. Please quote the source. What she said was not what you are inferring at all. The amalgamation of man and beast was not about blacks in any way shape or form. It was the sin of the preflood peoples. And it does not mean that she said that man and animals were being sexually produced. It means that they were mixing things that God never intended---how--we do not know. People are under the impression that man back then were very primitive--completely false. These people were total savants. God made Adam and Eve with perfect brains. Are you truly aware of what the so called idiot-savants can do? I don't like that word, they are partial savants. Part of their brains are retarded--but that part that isn't is phenomenal.
"Peek, Kim was able to memorize things from the age of 16–20 months. He read books, memorized them, and then placed them upside down on the shelf to show that he had finished reading them, a practice he maintained all his life. He could speed through a book in about an hour and remember almost everything he had read, memorizing vast amounts of information in subjects ranging from history and literature, geography and numbers to sports, music and dates. Peek read by scanning the left page with his left eye, then the right page with his right eye. According to an article in The Times newspaper, he could accurately recall the contents of at least 12,000 books."

We have no idea what a brain that is totally savant, without any defects, is able to do. That those ancient peoples might have been doing what we today call genetic engineering is not beyond the realm of possibility in the slightest. We, today are messing with all sorts of genetic "amalgamation". There are hybrids being made that do not normally appear in the wild. They can, and sometimes do for the command is to reproduce according to kind and a tiger and a lion are of the same kind, though in the wild breed extremely infrequently. The offspring of many hybrids do not reproduce. Only 2 mules have been known to reproduce. The modern scientist is cloning and mixing the genes of animals and humans today, and even mixing the genes of animals with humans. Jesus must surely come soon for we are indeed, marring His image. We are having many species right now that God did not create. There are chimps, goats and other animals with human DNA put in them.

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Monk Brendan said:

I notice you did not give the scientific names of any of these species that God did not creat.

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mmksparbud said:

And how can I when they disappeared in the flood? They are being created outside nature today, and they do have names. There are those created by kinds that do not normally interbreed but are done so through the power of man bringing them together and through scientific means.

View attachment 255638horse/zebra tiger/lion

jaguar/tiger tiger/lion donkey/zebra lion/leopard sheep goat llama camel


Surely you know about these? These are not photo shopped--look up "real animal hybrids"--not just animal hybrids. Just animal hybrids gets you photoshopped stuff mixed in. Hilarious stuff, but not real.
These are within the same families. Ligers (lions and tigers) seldom ever happen in the wild. Ligers can't really survive in the wild for they get to big and heavy to be able to hunt effectively--too slow.
These are really in the same families, but are seldom, if ever, seen together for they live in different habitats. These are done by interbreeding through the efforts of man.
What is being done through strictly scientific means
This is from 2011

150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs: Embryos have been produced secretively for the past three years
There are human organs being grown in animals for possible transplantation into humans. This has been going on for years and are called after the Greek myths--chimeras. You can look up the word. Natural human chimeras do actually exist. The words just means the joining of two different organisms----it can happen in nature when one twin absorbs the other and one human is born with the DNA of 2 different people. It can be quite a problem and was for one woman who took her sick child into the hospoitsl and they took it away from her for they said she was not it's mother and they assumed she had stolen it. She had another child, and though they immediately tagged it--it too was not hers---after much anguish and research, they figured out she had absorbed her twins uterus. You can look up absorbed twins for more info.

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mmksparbud said:

LOL!

It's no secret---the most glaring differences---

We don't believe in going to heaven or hell immediately after death, but we are unconscious until the resurrection. Jesus comes for the saved, first, then after the 1000 years the lost are resurrected and face judgement and their punishment is in the lake of fire according to their works and they and Satan and his angels are destroyed in that fire and then the earth is remade and we inherit this remade earth with Christ. We do not believe in an ever lasting burning hell, but in Jesus destroys all sin and sinner and all pain and tears and as long as there is a hell with sinners, there is sin and pain and tears.

Because of the above--we do not believe in saints, nor in praying to them. Nor do we believe in Mary being an intercessor for we have only Jesus as our intercessor as He is our High Priest and as such we have no Priests and none were appointed by Jesus nor the disciples--the word priest is not used to designate any Christian in the bible.

Obviously we believe in the Sabbath for no one can find a verse that states---"The Sabbath has been changed to Sunday to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus"--therefore the 4th commandment stands.

We do not believe that the bread and wine turn into the actual body and blood of Christ and we use unfermented grape juice because during Passover no leavening was allowed in the home and it does represent the pure blood of Christ and fermented wine would not be pure.

We do not believe that the 10 commandments will save us, but that we keep them because we love the Lord and they are the fruits of the Holy Spirit in our lives and that there are 10, as written, not 9 or any of them changed.

We did have a prophetess that we believe has been proven to be a true prophet of God but she was not the founder nor the leader of our church. She is not whom we follow, but whom we believe brought us messages from the Lord, esp. those involving health. Thus most of us are vegetarian, some are vegan, those that eat meat, eat only of the clean meat. We stay away from caffeine and alcohol and smoking and anything that harms our bodies for we are the temple of God and a healthy body will have a healthier mind with which to worship the Lord and we will live healthier, longer more productive lives, which are testified to with much research. She died in 1915 and we do not venerate nor pray to her either.

I think these are the most disturbing to people because they are the most different from just about every other denomination. We do believe that the prophecies in the bible are explained using the bible itself and actual history and not the interpretation of man. We believe that the entire bible is to be taken as scripture, not just the NT. And all doctrines are to come from the bible alone, and not from one verse but several and all seen through the very character of God.

Does this answer all your questions?

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Monk Brendan said:

I'm aware of human chimeras (chimerai?) Buyt they do not constitute a separate species.

I think the first two pictures you posed are in fact composites.

Did you know an SDA hospital in Loma Linda put a baboon's heart into a female infant?

I've heard of ligers (father is a lion) and tiglons (father is a tiger) being born in zoos.

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Gracia Singh said:

That was helpful.

Do Seventh Day Adventists believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone?

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mmksparbud said:

Yes! We keep His commandments because we are saved, not in order to be saved.

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Gracia Singh said:

Thank you, that's helpful.

I just wanted to let you know, dear, that neither the Assyrian Church of the East, Oriental Orthodox Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, or Catholic Church teach this. Neither do they interpret the Lord's Supper symbolically.

God bless you, and thank you for helping me understand you guys better.

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mmksparbud said:

Obviously we believe in the Sabbath for no one can find a verse that states---"The Sabbath has been changed to Sunday to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus"--therefore the 4th commandment stands.

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JLB777 said:

The Sabbath is Saturday, which starts at sundown on Friday.


What is the Church permitted or nor permitted to do on the Sabbath?





JLB

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mmksparbud said:

We follow what the commandment reads:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

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