Revelation 12: what do the 3.5 years represent?

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After the 7th trumpet, Chapter 12, are given the story of Jesus Christ and Satan fromt he beginning. The Woman is Israel as the Child is Jesus Christ. NOTE: This could also mean the Body of Christ being raptured. This setup of 12 stars, moon and sun happened in 2017 on Rosh Hashanah. Using the star charts, it was the only time it would happen within a 7000 period.

The people as you say are fleeing the AoD and will protected by GOD for 42 months or 1260 days,etc. This is the beginning of the last 3.5 years of Daniel's 70th week. (For they would only flee when the AoD happened.)

We also see the war in Heaven ending with Michael(the archangel) and 2/3 of the angels throwing satan and His followers out of Heaven. NOTE: from the time of the fall of Satan from Grace (from the beginning), satan and his angels seem to have had access to Heaven as we see in Job, etc.

In chapter 13, another parenthesis, describes what John sees on the Beach. The Beast (antichrist and the false prophet. Yet, these two were prevalent in the beginning after rev 6:2. ( as I said a parenthesis)

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Please note, EVERY few months Virgo appears exactly as Rev. shows her, clothed by the sun, and the moon at her feet. On other months, when the moon is at her feet, the sun is NOT at her shoulder. She ALWAYS has the crown of 12 stars for her crown. They all have names. NONE of the 12 are planets. They are stars. Therefore what was seen in 2017 was NOT what is written. It is a SIGN, but not what is written in chapter 12. I just add it to the tetrad of four blood moons as a sign of the end. I have the planetarium software on my computer. I have spent countless hours looking at Virgo in different years.

You are close: I give a second or two for reaction time: they begin to flee maybe a second or two after the 7th trumpet has marked the time of the abomination. Of the 5 mentions of the 3 1/2 years, 12:6 is the closest to the exact moment of the abomination.

Yet, these two were prevalent in the beginning after rev 6:2. Not exactly! Yes, they were alive on earth at the 6th seal, but the Beast was not the Beast then - he was only the man of sin. He turns into the BEAST after Satan is cast down an possesses him.
 
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In chapter 14, another parenthesis, we find the LAMB standing on Mt. Zion. Jesus has returned to earth HERE!.. With Him are the 144,000 Jewish evangelist (part of the first fruits). They are taken to Heaven and are redeemed.

Numerous other items happen in chapter 14 prior to the beginning of the 1st Bowls being given out From God himself in Chapter 15.

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Sorry, but there are words that tell us the 144,000 are now in HEAVEN. They have been raptured as the firstfruits of Israel. All I can say is, there must be a Mount Sion in heaven.

It is interesting to note, since many people on this thread insist the days of GT are in the seals - that John shows the beheaded BEGINNING to show up in heaven in chapter 15. This is John's chronology. Why don't people BELIEVE Him?
 
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I don't see a lot of difference in your reading and mine.
Why would anyone expect a bowl to be poured out at the time of the 7th trumpet? God will use the bowls and associated plagues to SHORTEN the days of GT, therefore they will come late in the last half of the week: notice they are in chapter 16.

Truthfully, it is where the 7th trumpet is that got my attention. It is a realtime event (of the seals, trumpets and vials) but it appears to be sounded in the middle of an intermission. Imagine you are watched the nutcraker at a big theater, and just before Clara throws her shoe, the play is stopped for the midpoint intermission - and everyone is reminded of all the delicious snacks in the lobby. You rise with everyone else, and make you way slowly to the end of your aisle, and suddenly the curtain opens, Clara throws her shoe and hits king mouse, the curtain closes again - and it seems everyone MISSED the most critical point of the play! This is what John does when he sounds the 7th trumpet!

You see, one day I was reading Daniel 9, just minding my own business, and in verse 27, when my eyes and my mind got to the word "midst" suddenly God spoke! I heard these words: "you could find that exact midpoint 'clearly marked' in the book of Revelation."

I was suddenly "in the spirit" and could not move or speak - but my spirit man answered: "how would I find that?"

He spoke again: "Every time I mentioned an event that would begin at the midpoint and go to the end of the week, I always included the 3 1/2 year period of time. When you find the mentions of the 3 1/2 years, you will be very close to the midpoint. In fact, you could find the entire 70th week 'clearly marked.'"

I searched for maybe 3 weeks, trying to find something "clearly marked." That is when I saw that the 7th trumpet was sounded right in the middle of the midpoint intermission. I instantly saw that the midpoint was marked by a "7." I flipped pages quickly to the 7th vial and saw that the lastt three words were, "it is done." Another translation has "It is finished." I knew at that moment I had found what Jesus had sent me to find. I flipped even faster to the 6th seal and saw the 30 minutes of silence, and then was sure I had found the entire 70th week, "clearly marked."

Since then I discovered that the fleeing in 12:6 - which will happen very shortly after the abomination - is just after the 7th trumpet. That is the easiest way to find the exact midpoint Back up verse by verse from 12:6 and look for a mainline event: a seal, a trumpet or a vial. You will find the 7th trumpet.

Once I understood from the Author's point of view, that the seals were not in the 70th week, I went back to chapter 4 and began to bug God to show me there how the seals were not a part of the week. That is when He showed my - by asking me three questions I could not answer - that that vision of the throne room was a vision of the past that shows the very time that Jesus ascended and sent the Holy Spirit down (chapter 5). This is the CONTEXT of the first seal. I discovered that the first 5 seals were opened right then, when Jesus ascended. But at the 5th seal - the seal for the martyrs of the church age, the first long wait: they are told they must wait for judgment for the very last martyr killed as they were. God is waiting for that last martyr of the church age. So what would cause the last martyr? Of course the END of the church age. It will end at the rapture. A moment later will be Day of the Lord timing.

I began to realize then that God marched right through time, starting with the early church, and advanced through the church age, then through the 70th week, then on to the 1000 year reign, in PERFECT Chronology, as far is is possible when 5 countdowns are happening at the same time.

I think that 200 million army is from heaven. I think they are angels. There is too much supernatural about them. (Just my opinion.) I don't think it tells us "except Israel."

No one knows what the little book is - unless God has told someone.

You are using chapters to dictate what order everything should go. Chapters were NOT in the original text/scrolls, etc and were not used until the 1400/1500's

iamlamad: When you said GOD told you what to tell John what to say, in another post, well..........Let's just leave it at that.

I get my understanding from reading the Bible Literally, Historically and grammatically.

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You are using chapters to dictate what order everything should go. Chapters were NOT in the original text/scrolls, etc and were not used until the 1400/1500's

iamlamad: When you said GOD told you what to tell John what to say, in another post, well..........Let's just leave it at that.

I get my understanding from reading the Bible Literally, Historically and grammatically.

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Yes and no; I am using the context of the chapters. I am convinced the Holy Spirit knew the correct order of things. And as I read and study I see that John was very careful with his chronology.

God DID speak to me about several chapters in Revelation. It is OK of you don't believe. I will add, Jesus said, "my sheep know my voice..." I do know His voice.

I will also give you a hint on how you can get the Holy Spirit to teach: read a portion of scripture over many times, maybe a hundred times or so, and PRAY IN THE SPIRIT. That is the key to revelation knowledge. (See 1 Cor. 14.)
 
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Revelation 12 in chronological order:

Israel gives rise to the messiah; Jesus then ascends to heaven

Revelation 12:1-5 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rulea all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

After Jesus is caught up to God and to his throne, receives his kingdom, and is given authority, Satan is thrown down out of heaven. The dragon then pursues the woman (Israel)

Revelation 12:7-13 7Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothersb has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”13And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

Israel is nourished for 3.5 years after Christ is caught up to God. Satan, furious of this, goes off to make war with Israel's offspring.
Revelation 12:6,14-17 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. 17Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

What is the significance of this 3.5 years?
I'm not sure what you are asking when you say whats the meaning. Whats going on is after repents and refuses to worship the image of the beast they flee to the wilderness, probably the Sinai Peninsula. The devil is cast down, probably possesing the antichrist. The flood is most likely a demon possessed army but the woman is definately Israel.
 
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Yes and no; I am using the context of the chapters. I am convinced the Holy Spirit knew the correct order of things. And as I read and study I see that John was very careful with his chronology.

God DID speak to me about several chapters in Revelation. It is OK of you don't believe. I will add, Jesus said, "my sheep know my voice..." I do know His voice.

I will also give you a hint on how you can get the Holy Spirit to teach: read a portion of scripture over many times, maybe a hundred times or so, and PRAY IN THE SPIRIT. That is the key to revelation knowledge. (See 1 Cor. 14.)



OoooooooooKay........thank you for that rendition

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