Medication to delay puberty in gender disphoria

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So mutilation (unnecessary surgery) is the answer? Studies show that it does not help, so let's look at better alternative treatments like therapy and medication that deal with some of the symptoms that people with this disorder are
dealing with like antidepressants. Would you treat anorexia with weight loss surgery? Of course not. Treating this with surgery when the studies show it does not help is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.

The fact is people dealing with gender dysphoria are much higher to have other disorders then that of the general population. Because it in itself is clearly a disorder that needs treatment not needless surgery.

"Conversion therapy"? Haven't we seen what a hoax that is for gay people?

These decisions are best made between patients and their clinicians.
 
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"Conversion therapy"? Haven't we seen what a hoax that is for gay people?

These decisions are best made between patients and their clinicians.

I never said "conversion therapy" as the techniques in such "therapy" are not based on factual evidence that supports it helps anyone and it is harmful to the clients involved. So no I would never support such treatment.

Real therapist are a licensed mental health professional who helps clients improve their lives, develop better cognitive and emotional skills, reduce symptoms of mental illness and cope with various challenges. So they would relieve the depression and anxiety that many such people deal with. Many therapist see people today that are dealing with this disorder and are valuable at helping these people deal with gender dysphoria. With any good therapy it's beneficial and important to have a good strong support system in place.

Therapy will not cure gender dysphoria as there is no such treatment available at this time. Surgery has shown not to work and just adds to a serious problem.
 
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I never said "conversion therapy" as the techniques in such "therapy" are not based on factual evidence that supports it helps anyone and it is harmful to the clients involved. So no I would never support such treatment.

Real therapist are a licensed mental health professional who helps clients improve their lives, develop better cognitive and emotional skills, reduce symptoms of mental illness and cope with various challenges. So they would relieve the depression and anxiety that many such people deal with. Many therapist see people today that are dealing with this disorder and are valuable at helping these people deal with gender dysphoria.

Not everybody who is transsexual has depression or mental illness, though, simply for perceiving an incongruity in their gender. I knew a woman who was trannsexual and she was bullied physically in school because she was perceived to be gay or different. It's understandable that somebody like that would have psychological problems, and doesn't necessarily invalidate their gender identity.

BTW, she wanted nothing to do with Christianity, and identified as Buddhist. I could hardly blame her, given that we live in a culture where homophobia and transphobia can be blamed largely on Christian attitudes about sexuality and gender.
 
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Not everybody who is transsexual has depression or mental illness, though, simply for perceiving an incongruity in their gender. I knew a woman who was trannsexual and she was bullied physically in school because she was perceived to be gay or different. It's understandable that somebody like that would have psychological problems, and doesn't necessarily invalidate their gender identity.

BTW, she wanted nothing to do with Christianity, and identified as Buddhist. I could hardly blame her, given that we live in a culture where homophobia and transphobia can be blamed largely on Christian attitudes about sexuality and gender.

Gender dysphoria aka transgenderism is in itself a mental illness. When people dealing with this disorder feel that they need mutilation (unnecessary surgery) should be in therapy. It has been shown that surgery is not only ineffective but also harmful to people dealing with this. Much like people dealing with anorexia may see or feel something separate from reality. People with gender dysphoria are at higher risk then any other group for eating disorders like anorexia, autism, attention deficit disorder, anxiety, depression leading to suicide and other mental illnesses. Anyone dealing with this should seek effective treatment and have a good support network.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/eating-mindfully/201603/gender-identity-and-eating-disorders?amp

There's Growing Evidence For A Link Between Gender Dysphoria And Autism Spectrum Disorders

Mental health risk higher for transgender youth
 
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People are entitled to disgaree with other peoples choices, but when transgender people are demonized for their choices or not shown basic respect as human beings, that is crossing a line, and I don't see how it matches up with being a disciple of Jesus, who fellowship and accepted various kinds of people. The politicization of anti-gay and anti-trans religious views is a scandal to the Gospel.
 
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People are entitled to disgaree with other peoples choices, but when transgender people are demonized for their choices or not shown basic respect as human beings, that is crossing a line, and I don't see how it matches up with being a disciple of Jesus, who fellowship and accepted various kinds of people. The politicization of anti-gay and anti-trans religious views is a scandal to the Gospel.

I have never demonized anyone nor support such behavior. But I will not sacrifice truth for a lie just cause it hurts someone's feelings. Today people are silenced by blind emotionalism and sensationalism that is void of any factuality. Notice I never brought religion in to this as there are many studies and multiple sources that back everything I said. A healthy worldview is one that is based on factual statements and one that is grounded in truth that is in Christ. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and to say otherwise is just kidding yourself. Jesus Christ also never backed away from calling people out armed with the truth when confronting people. We can see this in the famous Samaritan woman story:

John 4:17-18

"I have no husband,” she replied

Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband.The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”
 
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Facts:

  • Transgenderism is a mental disorder
  • Sex change is biologically impossible
  • People who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder
  • The suicide rate among transgendered people who had the surgery is 20 times higher
  • 70%-80% of children who expressed transgender feelings, overtime, lost those feelings

...and when such nonsense is promoted, you get the end result that you would expect.

Transgender Man Has Ears and Nose Removed to Become Dragon Lady
Transgender Man Has Ears, Nose, Removed to Become Dragon Lady

"A 55-year-old dragon lady, born "Richard Hernandez," now identifies as "Eva Tiamat Baphomet Medusa," a name taken from a video game character, and wishes to be referred to as an "it." It says it believes it was born in the wrong sex, along with the wrong species, and it is willing to physically destroy its humanity to complete the transformation. It has already undergone tooth extraction, eye coloring, horn implants, ear removal, nose modification, and an undoubtedly painful procedure to have a forked tongue.

This is what happens when a culture rejects the Christian (and generally rational, even scientific) understanding of sexuality and biology in favor of the mantra "if it feels good, do it." Granted, the transformation from man into dragon is extreme, but can we really deny it, if we assume that some people are "transgender" and need to become the opposite sex in order to be happy?"

Which raises the issue: now that this person has become a dragon if someone were to smite the beast with a sword, could they be charged with murder? Since the crime of murder would by definition involve the slaying of another human being, I would say no.
 
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Back to the OP, the figures quoted may certainly be exaggerated. However, for those diagnosed first by the children's peers, then the psychiatrist, the medication may then be administered without the patient later suffering from 'buyer's remorse'.
 
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Back to the OP, the figures quoted may certainly be exaggerated. However, for those diagnosed first by the children's peers, then the psychiatrist, the medication may then be administered without the patient later suffering from 'buyer's remorse'.
I don't think altering a child's normal development is normal. There are side effects to medication and if the child already has mental health issues (if your not willing to accept gender dysphoria as on in itself there are co-morbity with other disorders) altering hormones is not healthy.
 
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Back to the OP, the figures quoted may certainly be exaggerated. However, for those diagnosed first by the children's peers, then the psychiatrist, the medication may then be administered without the patient later suffering from 'buyer's remorse'.
Prescribing-of-cross-sex-hormones-as-part-of-the-gender-identity-development-service-for-children-and-adolesce.pdf

I do not know if the link will work but if not google the above. It is interesting to see what they say about studies.
 
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