Medication to delay puberty in gender disphoria

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuprorelin

According to the newspapers as many as 50 children a week in the UK (in the 1st 6 months of this year) are going to the doctors with symptoms of gender dysphoria. Even more alarming is that when they reach 11 they are treated with drugs like above.
 
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Bad idea, chasing a false delusion.

I agree. There are some tragically messed up kids out there who think they're born in the wrong gender such as little boys who think they're little girls. But what if they decide one day they want to be men like when they're adults? They will be stuck with breasts and a diminished libido. Best that people don't try to modify nature.
 
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I agree. There are some tragically messed up kids out there who think they're born in the wrong gender such as little boys who think they're little girls. But what if they decide one day they want to be men like when they're adults? They will be stuck with breasts and a diminished libido. Best that people don't try to modify nature.

That only very rarely happens. There's only a handful of people worldwide that have come forward expressing regret for transition, and most experience pressure from their religion to do so.

The primary use of this drug in adolescents and children is for precocious puberty, BTW.
 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuprorelin

According to the newspapers as many as 50 children a week in the UK (in the 1st 6 months of this year) are going to the doctors with symptoms of gender dysphoria. Even more alarming is that when they reach 11 they are treated with drugs like above.
Ewwww. That's child abuse, surely? It'd be interesting to see how many of these children on these drugs are with their natural parents, rather than adopted as guinnea pigs by perverts.
 
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That only very rarely happens. There's only a handful of people worldwide that have come forward expressing regret for transition, and most experience pressure from their religion to do so.

The primary use of this drug in adolescents and children is for precocious puberty, BTW.
600 Children in London, 200 in Leeds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4743036/800-children-young-10-puberty-blockers.html


We only have just over 11 million children in the UK. If there were only 800 children on these drugs the figures are slightly less than 1 in 13750. However, I hazard a guess the 'gender dysphoria' is treated at more than two clinics. I don't think we are talking low numbers. Especially as now there were 50 children a week being diagnosed with it in the fisrt half of this year.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...re-going-to-gender-identity-clinics-in-the-uk


"Not all of the children who are referred to gender identity clinics will be diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

But children who do receive a diagnosis can be treated with synthetic hormones that “block” puberty. According to the NHS, the effects of this treatment “are considered to be fully reversible” and can stop at any time.

Figures revealed to the Mail on Sunday earlier this year suggested that as many as 800 children in England – including some as young as 10 – are being treated with puberty blockers.

Once a child reaches 17 they can be seen in an adult gender clinic, and can receive standard adult treatments for gender dysphoria if it has been clinically diagnosed. This can include stronger cross-sex hormones, which are not necessarily reversible and will eventually make those who take them completely infertile."
 
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That only very rarely happens. There's only a handful of people worldwide that have come forward expressing regret for transition, and most experience pressure from their religion to do so.

The primary use of this drug in adolescents and children is for precocious puberty, BTW.

Your source?
 
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Ewwww. That's child abuse, surely? It'd be interesting to see how many of these children on these drugs are with their natural parents, rather than adopted as guinnea pigs by perverts.
The doctors prescribe against parents wishes.
 
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That only very rarely happens. There's only a handful of people worldwide that have come forward expressing regret for transition, and most experience pressure from their religion to do so.

The primary use of this drug in adolescents and children is for precocious puberty, BTW.
Nonsense. They express regret because it isn't something one should be doing. Pressure doesn't make you regret it and want to undo it any more than pressure makes you do it in the first place.
 
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The doctors prescribe against parents wishes.
That is just all kinds of wrong to do this to young children. One should HAVE to be adult aged first before messing with hormones.
 
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This is way too young to know. Before hormones have fully set in and formed, the personality and needs may change A LOT. Most this young don't have the full maturity or intellect to make life-long choices over this. It's easy to get confused at being a tomboy who likes hanging out with her brothers, playing basketball, and disliking girlish things --- to one day being fine with this stuff. It's called changes from growing up and going through life's stages. :sigh:
 
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That only very rarely happens. There's only a handful of people worldwide that have come forward expressing regret for transition, and most experience pressure from their religion to do so.

The primary use of this drug in adolescents and children is for precocious puberty, BTW.

That's 100% false. From the articles below:

There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improve the lives of transsexuals, with many people remaining severely distressed and even suicidal after the operation, according to a medical review conducted exclusively for Guardian Weekend tomorrow.

The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective.

Sex changes are not effective, say researchers

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.

This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken – it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.”

The transgendered person’s disorder, said Dr. McHugh, is in the person’s “assumption” that they are different than the physical reality of their body, their maleness or femaleness, as assigned by nature. It is a disorder similar to a “dangerously thin” person suffering anorexia who looks in the mirror and thinks they are “overweight,” said McHugh.

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;' Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’

Mounting evidence over the last decade points to increased rates of autism spectrum disorders (ASD) and autism traits among children and adults with gender dysphoria, or incongruence between a person’s experienced or expressed gender and the gender assigned to them at birth. ASDs are characterized by difficulty with social interaction and communication as well as restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior. Approximately 1-2% of the population is estimated to meet criteria for ASDs, about twice higher in men than women.

The potential link between ASD and gender dysphoria was noted by researchers as early as 1981, when they noticed that 10% of 30 children with a clinical diagnosis of autism had trouble answering a gender identity question (“Are you a little boy or a little girl?”) that fewer than 1% of neurotypical children of the same age struggle with.

There's Growing Evidence For A Link Between Gender Dysphoria And Autism Spectrum Disorders

New research finds that transgender and gender-nonconforming youth are diagnosed with mental health conditions much more frequently than young people who identify with the gender they are assigned at birth.

Study: Transgender Youth More Likely To Be Diagnosed with Mental Disorders
 
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Journalists frequently sensationalize news stories or misunderstand scientific data, and that Guardien piece is no different.

I note the following from that Guardian article, quoting Chris Hyde, representing a firm that helps the UK government investigate medical efficiency:

"The bottom line is that although it's clear that some people do well with gender reassignment surgery, the available research does little to reassure about how many patients do badly and, if so, how badly."

He's not denying that gender reassignment helps people, just that some people have negative outcomes, and there remain open questions about the treatment of gender dysphoria. That's quite different from saying that gender reassignment is worthless or wrong as a therapeutic treatment, as you are claiming.

Gender reassigment has been practiced for decades in Europe and the United States (literally for generations). It is not something new or faddish, and it is supported with actual clinical experience, which is ultimately what medicine is about, as an art. While there remains open questions, it is unethical to suggest that, in the name of a narrow religious ideology, we should deny the dignity of our fellow human beings or rights of other people to determine their own lives. The vast majority of people who seek out gender reassignment are satisfied with the procedure.
 
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Journalists frequently sensationalize news stories or misunderstand scientific data, and that Guardien piece is no different.

I note the following from that Guardian article, quoting Chris Hyde, representing a firm that helps the UK government investigate medical efficiency:

"The bottom line is that although it's clear that some people do well with gender reassignment surgery, the available research does little to reassure about how many patients do badly and, if so, how badly."

He's not denying that gender reassignment helps people, just that some people have negative outcomes, and there remain open questions about the treatment of gender dysphoria. That's quite different from saying that gender reassignment is worthless or wrong as a therapeutic treatment, as you are claiming.

Gender reassigment has been practiced for decades in Europe and the United States (literally for generations). It is not something new or faddish, and it is supported with actual clinical experience, which is ultimately what medicine is about, as an art. While there remains open questions, it is unethical to suggest that, in the name of a narrow religious ideology, we should deny the dignity of our fellow human beings or rights of other people to determine their own lives. The vast majority of people who seek out gender reassignment are satisfied with the procedure.

First I qouted not just from the Guardian but also from other sites like The National Center for Biotechnology website (second link) that claim "Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population."

As more research and studies are coming in the more it is showing the damage that reassignment surgery does. Since you quoted Chris Hyde here is another from the same article from him:

Chris Hyde, the director of Arif, said: "There is a huge uncertainty over whether changing someone's sex is a good or a bad thing."

So we are testing this "uncertainty" on people who need help and according to studies and experts sex reassignment surgery may not be helping as much as it is claimed to.
 
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First I qouted not just from the Guardian but also from other sites like The National Center for Biotechnology website (second link) that claim "Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population."

As more research and studies are coming in the more it is showing the damage that reassignment surgery does. Since you quoted Chris Hyde here is another from the same article from him:

Chris Hyde, the director of Arif, said: "There is a huge uncertainty over whether changing someone's sex is a good or a bad thing."

So we are testing this "uncertainty" on people who need help and according to studies and experts sex reassignment surgery may not be helping as much as it is claimed to.

It seems to be better than offering no help at all. People with gender dysphoria have very high rates of suicidality. That some residual mental illness is present in a fraction of the population is not surprising. It just means that we need better services for this population, including more respect for them as persons with moral agency over their own lives.
 
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It seems to be better than offering no help at all. People with gender dysphoria have very high rates of suicidality. That some residual mental illness is present in a fraction of the population is not surprising. It just means that we need better services for this population, including more respect for them as persons with moral agency over their own lives.

I am noticing a strong political pressure to declassify gender dysphoria as a mental illness (if it even still is classed as such) while it is clear from the suicide rates that it is a very serious mental illness. I don't think that is going to help them. Beyond mutilating their bodies and pumping them with antidepressants, I'm not sure we have an effective treatment for this illness.
 
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It seems to be better than offering no help at all. People with gender dysphoria have very high rates of suicidality. That some residual mental illness is present in a fraction of the population is not surprising. It just means that we need better services for this population, including more respect for them as persons with moral agency over their own lives.

So mutilation (unnecessary surgery) is the answer? Studies show that it does not help, so let's look at better alternative treatments like therapy and medication that deal with some of the symptoms that people with this disorder are
dealing with like antidepressants. Would you treat anorexia with weight loss surgery? Of course not. Treating this with surgery when the studies show it does not help is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.

The fact is people dealing with gender dysphoria are much higher to have other disorders then that of the general population. Because it in itself is clearly a disorder that needs treatment not needless surgery.
 
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