Imminent Destruction of the United States

DaDad said:

Once again, the 19 Book of the Bible (the Book of Psalms) is prophetic for the 1900's, Chapter for year. Thus per your examples:

Psalms 19 is prophetic for 19 + 19 = 1919
Psalms 17 is prophetic for 19 + 17 = 1917
Psalms 1 is prophetic for 19 + 01 = 1901
Psalms 109 is prophetic for 19 + 109 = 2009​

So I ask you once again:

If, as you suggest, you are familiar with the Psalms premise, then you should know that the Psalms is the 19th Book of the Bible. You should also know that this Book is prophetic to the Jews for the 1900's, Chapter for year, such that Book 19, Chapter 48 = 1948 International Recognition of the State of Israel.

So do you acknowledge the apparent Chapter 48 fulfillment? And if so, then as a sanity check, would you agree that Book 19, Chapter 91 = 1991 depicts the events of Desert Storm, including the "arrows" as SCUD Missiles which were capable of both conventional and chemical munitions ("the pestilence that stalks in darkness")?​

... and please heed the advice of Lawrence Taylor.

Thanks,
DaDad

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You don't think there isn't enough plain clear prophetic scriptures that Christians have various opinions on without throwing into the mix a bunch of wildly speculative secret code things as well? Sorry but it seems even dreaming up these things indicates such time should have been spent on something else. They serve to take believers just one more step away from the simplicity of the gospel. People can get so caught up in finding hidden codes that the clearly revealed things God has set up right in front of them sadly they don't see or even perhaps seek to apply.

Kevin Snow said:

Everyone, I am revealing this according to scripture. If you want to know for a fact that what I'm saying is the truth then you can read my book and it goes through the history and the scriptures, proving that the 7th Babylon is New York City, the prostitute. This has nothing to do with the seven seals and the timing of the tribulation. All this occurs before a seal is broken. Then the tribulation begins with the first seal being broken. Please read my book to get a full picture. Of course you don't have to read it but you won't fully understand what I'm saying without reading it.

https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/672850

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No thanks, because even with your idea that the tribulation begins with the 1st Seal of Rev.6, shows you don't really understand where the tribulation events Jesus warned us about are to occur, i.e., mainly in Jerusalem. That is where He warned of the "abomination of desolation" being setup for the end, and also where Scripture declares His return will be (Mount of Olives).

Jerusalem in the future, fallen once again into idol worship by the coming Antichrist, will then be the Harlot city of Revelation 17.

Kevin Snow said:

Please tell me then, if this is so, who was the first seal?

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The 1st Seal of Rev.6 is about the Antichrist coming on a white horse to mimic Jesus' 2nd coming of Rev.19. The reason why that is the subject of the 1st Seal is because that is where Jesus began the subject flow regarding the seven main signs of the end, in His Olivet Discourse:

Matt 24:3-5
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."
KJV


In the later Matthew 24:23-26 verses, He warns of a specific pseudo-Christ coming to Jerusalem for the end. The KJV translators brought Greek pseudochristos in verse 24 as "false Christs", plural, but Jesus was actually speaking of a singular Antichrist. Dr. James Strong translated pseudochristos as "a spurious Messiah." Pseudo in the Greek means false, and christos means Christ (singular). That's the rider on the white horse of Rev.6.

Kevin Snow said:

How can the city be Jerusalem when the beast is the North country in Daniel and the antichrist rules out of the North country which is the alliance of the 10 countries. And he comes to Jerusalem to the temple to set up the abomination that makes desolate? If it was utterly destroyed by fire then there would be no temple in the first place. Every single city of the Babylons is the prostitute. It must be a Babylonian nation and Israel is never a Babylon. Israel is the opposite of Babylon. You've got it VERY wrong and your theory contradicts itself. The prostitute has nothing to do with the beast because the beast has NO city and the prostitute is a city.

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The reason why so many crazy themes have been created about the last days Antichrist is because of not knowing who he will be.

Jesus warned us in the Matthew 24:23-26 verses, pointing directly to a pseudo-Christ. He warned that if someone comes up to you saying Christ is here, or there, then do not believe it. He didn't warn saying if someone says 'the Antichrist' is here, ... He warned if someone says CHRIST is here! That is the true role of what the coming Antichrist is going to do, i.e., play Jesus Christ. So looking for some Assyrian out of the north which God only used as a 'type' for the final Antichrist, shows lack of understanding why He gave us those OT ensamples.

And here you are, promoting a book on endtime events, and you don't even know these things. Anyone can write a book now days and pass it off as gospel truth. Most of the book printers today probably love printing those kind of books that cause more confusion, just for fun.

Bobber said:

You don't think there isn't enough plain clear prophetic scriptures that Christians have various opinions on without throwing into the mix a bunch of wildly speculative secret code things as well? ...

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You're RIGHT. I think the Bible should be published in a kind of "Readers Digest Condensed Version"! And if it were me, I could probably sum it up in maybe ONE sentence: "Love one another".

But you see, GOD cares greatly for HIS creation, and HE has provided a FULL accounting of History, Psychology, Sociology, and Prophecy, so that we may be convinced of HIS love for us.

So if you like my "sentence", then please feel free to use it, and you can throw your Bible in the trash. However, if you think there's value BEYOND my "sentence", then please seek the Fullness of GOD's Word:


Thanks,
DaDad

Kevin Snow said:

Our imminent destruction is at hand.

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Again?

I'll bet you a $100 US, payable to the registered charity of your choice, that 20 years from now the US will still be a going concern. If it isn't, and I'm still alive, I'll pay up. Either way, empires come and go. No good getting too attached to them.

Kevin Snow said:

I am telling you that this is the word of God.

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Careful, mate. You don't want to attach "thus saith the Lord" to stuff the Lord didn't actually say. Doubleplus ungood.

Davy said:

The reason why so many crazy themes have been created about the last days Antichrist is because of not knowing who he will be.

Jesus warned us in the Matthew 24:23-26 verses, pointing directly to a pseudo-Christ. He warned that if someone comes up to you saying Christ is here, or there, then do not believe it. ...

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Ummmmm, I think you've made TWO bad points!

1. Rev. 14 says: 18 This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

It's a SIMPLE process to "calculate" (per some translations) who the A/C is; and using the same "technique" use it to "calculate" how the A/C will control who "buys and sells"; with a third ~consideration~ as to a type of "mark", and a fourth consideration as to a second type of "mark".

2. You've associated the A/C with Jesus' return. Certainly we'll all know when Jesus returns, and we don't need to be expecting some Jewish Prime Minister, "prophet" in Australia, or some televangelist to be pursued.

Thanks,
DaDad

Jipsah said:

Again?

I'll bet you a $100 US, payable to the registered charity of your choice, that 20 years from now the US will still be a going concern. If it isn't, and I'm still alive, I'll pay up. Either way, empires come and go. No good getting too attached to them.

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It seems were not supposed to be in the "dark" as so many "pastors" are, and tell us to be also ...

Thanks,
DaDad

DaDad said:

It seems were not supposed to be in the "dark" as so many "pastors" are, and tell us to be also ...

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Whassat got to do with whether the US stands or falls? Rome is gone, the Holy Roman Empire is gone, the Ottoman Empire is gone, Imperial China is gone. the Austro-Hungarian Empire is gone, The Soviet Union is gone, The British Empire is gone, and the world spins on. You really think that if the US goes out of business that will bring the universe crashing down? Dang, we Americans really think we're something special huh?

Jipsah said:

Whassat got to do with whether the US stands or falls? Rome is gone, the Holy Roman Empire is gone, the Ottoman Empire is gone, Imperial China is gone. the Austro-Hungarian Empire is gone, The Soviet Union is gone, The British Empire is gone, and the world spins on. You really think that if the US goes out of business that will bring the universe crashing down? Dang, we Americans really think we're something special huh?

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Wow, it looks like because things have come and gone, that it will continue into perpetuity! I guess we don't need Jesus to return, because everything is seeking it's own equilibrium.

That's great news!

Unfortunately, that's not what Bible Prophecy forecasts. In fact if you knew what you were talking about, you might start preparing for the near term circumstance when you won't be able to "buy or sell", and then the "bright lights" over our cities.

But no worries. Things come and go, and there's nothing to be concerned about!

Thanks,
DaDad

Jipsah said:

Again?

I'll bet you a $100 US, payable to the registered charity of your choice, that 20 years from now the US will still be a going concern. If it isn't, and I'm still alive, I'll pay up. Either way, empires come and go. No good getting too attached to them.

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I would make it a hundred yrs from now, but by then I will be nothing but a skeleton, hopefully with at least some hair left ehehe

LittleLambofJesus said:

I would make it a hundred yrs from now, ...

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Dear LittleLambOfJesus,

"If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas". Probably not the originator, but it became popular thanks to Don Meredith, the longtime color commentator on Monday Night Football."
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-o...re-candy-and-nuts-everyday-would-be-Christmas

... the point being, we're not without guidance:


Some people like candies and nuts, and all sorts of Christmas surprises, but I don't want to be surprised if I can't feed and shelter my little grandchildren. I prefer to be prepared, and am working toward the LIGHT of WHEN that day will come.

And it's not hard to come to that timeline, -- certainly the YEAR and SEASON, but I'm not obsessed with the precise month, week, or FEAST event. And so each of us should be aware!

With Very Best Regards,
DaDad

DaDad said:

Hey Keras,
I think the up coming battle in the valley of megiddo will be a "self-inflicted" nuclear event, -- dropped by the Israeli's to destroy the Soviet and Iranian armies, detonated over their own land as to not start a global thermonuclear war.

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Why don't you read what the Bible actually does say about Armageddon?
What is soon to happen is the Sixth Seal; Day of the Lord's wrath. It will be the world changer. Described over 100 times throughout the Bible. Jesus and Peter say it will be a disaster of similar magnitude as Noah's flood. 2 Peter 3:1-7

DaDad said:

Wow, it looks like because things have come and gone, that it will continue into perpetuity! I guess we don't need Jesus to return, because everything is seeking it's own equilibrium.

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Our Lord will return when it is His good pleasure to do so. The rise and fall of earthly governments are of little importance.

Unfortunately, that's not what Bible Prophecy forecasts.

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The interesting thing here is that pretty much everyone here knows exactly what the Bible forecasts, but none of them agree what that is. But it does all seem to be linked to the rise or fall of the United States, because, apparently, We're Number One!

In fact if you knew what you were talking about, you might start preparing for the near term circumstance when you won't be able to "buy or sell"

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Oh, like in the days when you couldn't legally buy or sell without the chit proving that you'd made the necessary oblation to the emperor? Under the Caesars? Like that? Sorry, mate, that movie has been over for 2000 years odd and you're still picking your seat.

But no worries. Things come and go, and there's nothing to be concerned about!

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'Sall relative. Americans think the US is the center of the universe, but just across the Pacific there are about 1.3 thousand million Chinamen who couldn't possibly care less if the US was disbanded tomorrow, and they aren't the only ones by any stretch. I suspect that the Lord is just as concerned with them as He is with us.

DaDad said:

And it's not hard to come to that timeline

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Easiest thing in the world. Every End Times buff knows it down to the very "season". But of course, none of their timelines agree, which is why "the Rapture" will occur in 1988/2000/2001/2011/2012, 2018/2023/adinfinitum. It's probably because no one is sure precisely how many thousands of years Daniel's 70 weeks really meant.

Jipsah said:

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'Sall relative. Americans think the US is the center of the universe, but just across the Pacific there are about 1.3 thousand million Chinamen who couldn't possibly care less if the US was disbanded tomorrow, ...

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Glad to hear that your Happy being on the "opposite" side of the earth, safe from the One-World-Government, safe from any Tribulation era circumstances, and safe from any nuclear weapons, associated fallout, and collapsing infrastructure.

You'll do just fine whether you're in North America, South America, Europe, the Middle East, Near East, Asia, Africa, or the Pacific. It's not where you actually ARE that matters, but rather what you BELIEVE.

So mate, please be happy in EVERY circumstance which happens to SURPRISE you!

With Best Regards,
DaDad

it's for the best..

LittleLambofJesus said:

I would make it a hundred yrs from now, but by then I will be nothing but a skeleton, hopefully with at least some hair left ehehe

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I was just thinking about the Jehovah's Witnesses and their proclamation that "Millions now living will never die!" I think they began that in 1918, a hundred years ago. Reckon there are still millions alive now who were living in 1918?

Jipsah said:

Easiest thing in the world. Every End Times buff knows it down to the very "season". But of course, none of their timelines agree, which is why "the Rapture" will occur in 1988/2000/2001/2011/2012, 2018/2023/adinfinitum. It's probably because no one is sure precisely how many thousands of years Daniel's 70 weeks really meant.

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Funny! I especially like the part about "Daniel's 70 weeks", which have VERY LITTLE IMPACT on how many years (maybe Zero, or maybe a Score) afterword, until the A/C duration of 42 months until the "end time" return of Jesus.


But don't worry your "pretty" little head about such things. Leave them to those who are "wasting their time" studying the When, Why, and Wherefores.

You're A Funny Guy,
DaDad

PS Ain't no Rapture until the end of the Millennial Kingdom. But that's another discussion for another day.