Weaponized Gospel

redleghunter · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
I’ve been enormously clear.

Sin... by the Law... is clearly identified and Jesus magnified the Law on the Mount.

How much clearer shall I be?

If the above is true then:

"It has been argued here on CF by some that those in a same sex union involving active sexual relations are not sinning if the relationship is monogamous and loving."

What is quoted above is false and should be rebuked..pointed out as error and denounced as error.

This would be pointing out something in contravention to the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.

Yet the usual response is people are singling out this sin over others.

If you have a loud horn blaring on one car and no other cars are blaring their horns, which one will you hear the most? Which gets the attention?

Lily of Valleys · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
I see...

So the law isn’t for Athiests either then...

As long as they’re good by those standards?

Are the athiests godly?

Apostle Paul said if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law:

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. (Galatians 5:18-24 NASB)

Grip Docility · Mar 4, 2018

redleghunter said:
If the above is true then:

"It has been argued here on CF by some that those in a same sex union involving active sexual relations are not sinning if the relationship is monogamous and loving."

What is quoted above is false and should be rebuked..pointed out as error and denounced as error.

This would be pointing out something in contravention to the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.

Yet the usual response is people are singling out this sin over others.

If you have a loud horn blaring on one car and no other cars are blaring their horns, which one will you hear the most? Which gets the attention?

I see...

So you’re saying the Hoy Spirit isn’t “Loud enough”... so you give Him that extra umph?

Grip Docility · Mar 4, 2018

@Lily of Valleys and @redleghunter

Are you both without need to repent daily?

I’m not.

Do you both need me to honk for you?

redleghunter · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
I see...

So you’re saying the Hoy Spirit isn’t “Loud enough”... so you give Him that extra umph?

Don't understand where this is coming from.

If we apply what you are getting at then we would not be posting at all on Christian Forums.

redleghunter · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
@Lily of Valleys and @redleghunter

Are you both without need to repent daily?

I’m not.

Do you both need me to honk for you?

Is it your point a homosexual can engage in homosexual sexual relations daily and continuously as long as they repent?

I hope you realize that is the antithesis of repentance.

Grip Docility · Mar 4, 2018

redleghunter said:
Is it your point a homosexual can engage in homosexual sexual relations daily and continuously as long as they repent?

I hope you realize that is the antithesis of repentance.

Aha...
Now comes my favorite point...

A homosexual must be homosexual in their very being... because I’m a heterosexual male, and the thought of guy parts disgusts me.

Therefore a homosexuals sexuality is between them and God as my Heterosexuality is between me and God.

It is a core and private part of my life.

Sexuality is very specific and a deep part of being...

Would you say you have homosexual desires?

Grip Docility · Mar 4, 2018

redleghunter said:
Don't understand where this is coming from.

If we apply what you are getting at then we would not be posting at all on Christian Forums.

Hmmm... I was just employing your honking analogy.

Do you have some sins you want me to honk about to “help you”?

Grip Docility · Mar 4, 2018

redleghunter said:
Is it your point a homosexual can engage in homosexual sexual relations daily and continuously as long as they repent?

I hope you realize that is the antithesis of repentance.

And... is it? So a person repents... is forgiven and muscles out obedience to remain saved?

Is that your point?

Did Jesus die so a person can repent and follow the Law, or because they are a hopeless sinner?

Did Jesus die ...

A: So people can Sin

B: Because People Sin

C: To forgive the past and obtain law based obedience in the future

Lily of Valleys · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
Do you have some sins you want me to honk about to “help you”?

Only if I deny those sins to be sins, blowing horn to announce that they are not sins and trying hard to convince others that they are not sins.

Grip Docility · Mar 4, 2018

Lily of Valleys said:
Only if I deny those sins to be sins, blowing horn to announce that they are not sins and trying hard to convince others that they are not sins.

Absolutely not... I just want to help amplify the sins you struggle with... with loud scripture honking to “help your walk”...

I promise to find every scripture that will help you feel more insecure about what Jesus did for you and ensure you know God’s Death wasn’t enough to save you... but your ability to obey matters too...

I won’t cut you one break...

Sound good?

Care to confess your sins publicly... under these circumstances?

@redleghunter how about you... can I help your walk with what I’ve learned from you... thus far?

I’m ready to “Honk Away”...

Great analogy... by the way.

Lily of Valleys · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
Absolutely not... I just want to help amplify the sins you struggle with... with loud scripture honking to “help your walk”...

I promise to find every scripture that will help you feel more insecure about what Jesus did for you and ensure you know God’s Death wasn’t enough to save you... but your ability to obey matters to.

I won’t cut you one break...

Sound good?

Care to comfess your sins publicly... under these contexts?

If the person already realizes it is a sin, there is no need for a reminder. A reminder is only needed if they don't realize it is a sin.

Grip Docility · Mar 4, 2018

Lily of Valleys said:
If the person already realizes it is a sin, there is no need for a reminder. A reminder is only needed if they don't realize it is a sin.

No... no... no...

Let’s not stop there... Let’s turn up the volume and point out the sin that is still struggled with to “Help” shame you a bit more and convince you to “OBEY”... Better...

I’m here to do unto you as you do unto others daily by your witness...

Come on... share just one and I’ll “Help you”...

I’ll help you too @redleghunter ... confess those sins... I’ll use the old and New Testament to bring the shame home and “help you both” so when you hammer against other people that struggle too, you’ll have been too ashamed to even function in life and thus.... ta da... “Stopped Sinning”...

I’m here to “Help”....

Sure you don’t feel “Safe and Loved” by my eager desire to point fingers at the “Ways you fail”?

Lily of Valleys · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
No... no... no...

Let’s not stop there... Let’s turn up the volume and point out the sin that is still struggled with to “Help” shame you a bit more and convince you to “OBEY”... Better...

I’m here to do unto you as you do unto others daily by your witness...

Come on... share just one and I’ll “Help you”...

I’ll help you too redleghunter ... confess those sins... I’ll use the old and New Testament to bring the shame home and “help you both” so when you hammer against other people that struggle too, you’ll have been too ashamed to even function in life and thus.... ta da... “Stopped Sinning”...

I’m here to “Help”....

Sure you don’t feel “Safe and Loved” by my eager desire to point fingers at the “Ways you fail”?

People who don't realize a sin to be sin would not have the struggle you said there.

Grip Docility · Mar 4, 2018

Lily of Valleys said:
People who don't realize a sin to be sin would not have the struggle you said there.

Oh... I see... Sinners of the kind you identify aren’t impacted by their sin? They have zero struggles that stem from their brand of sin?

Hmmmmm...

These club rules are getting dicey... a little flakey and seem to focus on “pointing fingers”, but not really enjoying having fingers pointed back.

Interesting.

Are you sure you don’t want me to help with your failings by quoting scripture to you about your failings?

I’m here to return the “Love” you offer. I’m here to do as you do for others out of knowledge that you must desire what you do for others to be done for you.

Grip Docility · Mar 4, 2018

PeaceByJesus said:
So these are your answers to my questions? You have a real problem with making a coherent argument. In any case, rather than sinners knowing they sin and feel unloved by God, instead America abounds with souls who profess they will go to Heaven, and respond to "Jesus loves you" with indifference or "I know that." Very very few actually are seeking forgiveness and longing to know the love of God. The words of Christ, "Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep," Luke 6:25) overall apply to America today.

And reminding the flock how they fail but is just what those who constantly condemn those who preach about sin. It seems judging them is allowed if the likes of you do it, but if they judge others then it is wrong based on your supreme status.

Meanwhile, you jump from the old Baptist preacher to the prosperity gospel, to "Is Paul a liar?," which is simply incoherent.

And reasoning that since the Lord atoned for all sin then unbelieving sinners are not condemned, or sin is not to be condemned, is simply not Scriptural, and would make the Lord and Paul liars.

With such sophistry i can understand why your posts from the beginning lack coherence.

Is it the end yet? No... 1 John 2:2 is still hot off the press to all...

Mercy or Saccrifice?

Which one do you embody?

Lily of Valleys · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
Oh... I see... Sinners of the kind you identify aren’t impacted by their sin? They have zero struggles that stem from their brand of sin?

Hmmmmm...

These club rules are getting dicey... a little flakey and seem to focus on “pointing fingers”, but not really enjoying having fingers pointed back.

Interesting.

Are you sure you don’t want me to help with your failings by quoting scripture to you about your failings?

I’m here to return the “Love” you offer. I’m here to do as you do for others out of knowledge that you must desire what you do for others to be done for you.

It is more about correcting a heresy than pointing fingers. If you have read my last few posts properly, I am saying there is no need to remind people of their sin unless they twist the truth by blowing horn to promote heresy that a sin that God clearly said is sin isn't a sin.

Liza B. · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
When you have a change of mind... followed by a change of heart... you’ll see it’s already been made...

Until then... kicking against the pricks will help you along your Lilly strewn journey through the valley.

Acts 26:14

Wow, and you have the audacity to call others out on their "Sin Pointing" and their Warriors of Righteousness in just the last post?

Okay, then.

FireDragon76 · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
Aha...
Now comes my favorite point...

A homosexual must be homosexual in their very being... because I’m a heterosexual male, and the thought of guy parts disgusts me.

Therefore a homosexuals sexuality is between them and God as my Heterosexuality is between me and God.

It is a core and private part of my life.

Sexuality is very specific and a deep part of being...

The Christian Church has messed up understanding sexuality so badly that my own position is radical even for my denomination (whose position is actually widely misunderstood by conservative evangelicals). I simply don't take "traditional Christian sexual morality" all that seriously, since its so full of pathological shame and guilt, and rests upon superstitious metaphysical assumptions, as to be rendered incoherent in the modern world.

If we want to understand sexuality's meaning and purpose, we'ld be far better off looking to science, psychology, and direct human experiences than to what amounts to the prime instrument of manipulation of traditional Christendom.

PeaceByJesus · Mar 4, 2018

Grip Docility said:
Actually... most of America is full of hate and snake venom towards sinners Jesus died for.

Actually only true in part, while it is also true that America is full of hate and snake venom towards those who preached that Jesus died for sinners, and that such are to repent and turn to God, to do works which correspond to repentance. Is this what you refer to as weaponizing the gospel?

Nice try. If I offend you... By taking the side of sinners God Loves enough to die for... be offended.

And once again you are being obscure: what do you mean by taking the side of sinners God Loves enough to die for? Just what and who do you oppose? Examples? The preaching of Billy Graham? Here is my web site, by the grace of God. What do you oppose here and why?

Unless you are working to simply produce more page hits and or post counts, then you should have made it clear just what you are describing and opposing as weaponizing the gospel. Either do so or be ignored.

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