Bible Sabbath vs week-day-1 observance in the Bible

bugkiller · Feb 19, 2017

more4less said:
Leviticus 19:18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

Not the words of Jesus.

Deuteronomy 10:12 And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul,

Also not the words of Jesus.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

Who is Jesus talking to and what is going on? Yep I know you are saying what.

Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

I do not get how this relates to the discussion at all.

Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Same here.

Deuteronomy 7:6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

Not the words of Jesus.

Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

How does this relate to the discussion?

Luke 10:27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

Not the words of Jesus.

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I agree here.

bugkiller

more4less · Feb 20, 2017

bugkiller said:
Not the words of Jesus.Also not the words of Jesus.Who is Jesus talking to and what is going on? Yep I know you are saying what.I do not get how this relates to the discussion at all.Same here.Not the words of Jesus.How does this relate to the discussion?Not the words of Jesus.I agree here.

bugkiller

They had told Jesus what is the greatest of the commands from God. And Jesus replied to them, to love the Lord our God. God wants us to stop putting everything before Him, even money. Money will come and go, but He will never abandon us or forsake us.

And we are not under the laws anymore, but we are under Grace. Jesus had accomplished all that the laws required. If He did not, so then we would of have been cast away as worthless beings. But the laws were shadows of the things. The two greatest commands had branched out into many other laws. Abraham had shown that he did not put anyone before the Lord, and which that has shown that he has loved the Lord and treasured Him over his son.
After Adam and Eve were cast away, that sin had made them ignorant to the ways of God. So they did not know how to behave and what foods to eat. If it weren't for God stepping into the scene, they would all have perished by food poisoning, war with an jealous man or some illnesses. And so now Paul had stated that we do not have to worried about any judging us about not celebrating the Sabbath and New moon Sabbath and or any other Sabbath that there is. And all of the rest of the laws.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

bugkiller · Feb 20, 2017

more4less said:
They had told Jesus what is the greatest of the commands from God. And Jesus replied to them, to love the Lord our God. God wants us to stop putting everything before Him, even money. Money will come and go, but He will never abandon us or forsake us.

And we are not under the laws anymore, but we are under Grace. Jesus had accomplished all that the laws required. If He did not, so then we would of have been cast away as worthless beings. But the laws were shadows of the things. The two greatest commands had branched out into many other laws. Abraham had shown that he did not put anyone before the Lord, and which that has shown that he has loved the Lord and treasured Him over his son.
After Adam and Eve were cast away, that sin had made them ignorant to the ways of God. So they did not know how to behave and what foods to eat. If it weren't for God stepping into the scene, they would all have perished by food poisoning, war with an jealous man or some illnesses. And so now Paul had stated that we do not have to worried about any judging us about not celebrating the Sabbath and New moon Sabbath and or any other Sabbath that there is. And all of the rest of the laws.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

Sorry but I do not understand your response.

bugkiller

BobRyan · Feb 22, 2017

more4less said:
Jesus had summed up the many commands of God into two. And so when He stated to keep what He ordered them to do, are the two greatest commands. Love the Lord from our heart and down to our very soul and to love those in the same way that are here with us.

And of course that means they include the Ten Commandments instead of deleting them. So for example - still wrong to take God's name in vain.

Notice what happens in Mark 7:6-13 when attempts are made to "tweak" one of the Ten Commandments.

BobRyan · Feb 22, 2017

more4less said:
After Adam and Eve were cast away, that sin had made them ignorant to the ways of God. So they did not know how to behave and what foods to eat. If it weren't for God stepping into the scene, they would all have perished by food poisoning, war with an jealous man or some illnesses. And so now Paul had stated that we do not have to worried about any judging us about not celebrating the Sabbath and New moon Sabbath and or any other Sabbath that there is. And all of the rest of the laws.
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Paul says in Eph 6:2 that the 5th commandment is in the Ten Commandments - still binding and is the "first commandment with a promise" - which of course is true only in "that unit of ten" still valid in Eph 6:2.

Christ says the "Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27.

Isaiah 66:23 says that for all eternity "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship".

Paul says in Romans 8:4-9 that the lost do not submit to the Law of God "neither indeed can they".

Paul reminds us in Hebrews 8:6-10 that the NEW Covenant given in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is still valid and includes the "LAW written on the heart and mind".

And of course Paul says in Romans 3:19-20 that the LAW condemns all the world as sinners... and ends with this "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the law" Rom 3:31

more4less · Feb 23, 2017

BobRyan said:
And of course that means they include the Ten Commandments instead of deleting them. So for example - still wrong to take God's name in vain.

Notice what happens in Mark 7:6-13 when attempts are made to "tweak" one of the Ten Commandments.

Well, have you violated any of the commands.

Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

In this verse that it is saying to not hold any grudges against anyone. But to have a grudge against someone makes them your enemy. And the Neighbors that had left with them during the time of the Exodus, were the descendants of Esau, that they eventually became the Samaritans. That they eventually joined their kinfolks, the Ishmaelites, that soon became the Muslims.

Leviticus 19:18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

Genesis 25:23 The Lord said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger.”

John 4:12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”

Genesis 16:11 The angel of the Lord also said to her:

“You are now pregnant and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

more4less · Feb 23, 2017

BobRyan said:
Paul says in Eph 6:2 that the 5th commandment is in the Ten Commandments - still binding and is the "first commandment with a promise" - which of course is true only in "that unit of ten" still valid in Eph 6:2.

Christ says the "Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27.

Isaiah 66:23 says that for all eternity "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship".

Paul says in Romans 8:4-9 that the lost do not submit to the Law of God "neither indeed can they".

Paul reminds us in Hebrews 8:6-10 that the NEW Covenant given in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is still valid and includes the "LAW written on the heart and mind".

And of course Paul says in Romans 3:19-20 that the LAW condemns all the world as sinners... and ends with this "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the law" Rom 3:31

Yes, the Sabbath (rest) was made for mankind. And which no one has entered that rest because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve. But the people had thought that they had entered the Sabbath, because they were believing that the Sabbath was only referring to the seventh cycles. Did you know that there is an High Sabbath that no one are not allowed to do any work at all for seven years. But the Hebrews during the time of Joseph were the only ones that were able to practiced it. It is impossible with us to do that, but with God, all things are possible.

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

“So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’”
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,

BobRyan · Feb 23, 2017

BobRyan said:
more4less said:

After Adam and Eve were cast away, that sin had made them ignorant to the ways of God. So they did not know how to behave and what foods to eat. If it weren't for God stepping into the scene, they would all have perished by food poisoning, war with an jealous man or some illnesses. And so now Paul had stated that we do not have to worried about any judging us about not celebrating the Sabbath and New moon Sabbath and or any other Sabbath that there is. And all of the rest of the laws.
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Paul says in Eph 6:2 that the 5th commandment is in the Ten Commandments - still binding and is the "first commandment with a promise" - which of course is true only in "that unit of ten" still valid in Eph 6:2.

Christ says the "Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27.

Isaiah 66:23 says that for all eternity "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship".

Paul says in Romans 8:4-9 that the lost do not submit to the Law of God "neither indeed can they".

Paul reminds us in Hebrews 8:6-10 that the NEW Covenant given in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is still valid and includes the "LAW written on the heart and mind".

And of course Paul says in Romans 3:19-20 that the LAW condemns all the world as sinners... and ends with this "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the law" Rom 3:31

more4less said:
Yes, the Sabbath (rest) was made for mankind. And which no one has entered that rest because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve.

1. No text says that nobody has kept the Sabbath commandment due to the sin of Adam just as no text says that nobody has refrained from taking God's name in vain - because of the sin of Adam. This is irrefutable.

2. Moses and Elijah stand "with Christ" in glorified form in Matt 18 on the mount of transfiguration which means that not only did they keep the actual Bible Sabbath in obedience to the command of God while on earth - but they have the future rest promised - in a sort of "spiritual-ized symbolic Sabbath" way as well. So every way you slice it - God's commandment kept .. not broken.

3. Paul says in Romans 8:4-9 that only the lost person is at war with the law of God and "does not submit to the Law of God - - neither indeed CAN they".

4. Paul insists that saints keep the commandments - pointing out in Eph 6:2 that the 5th commandment is to be kept and is in fact the "First commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - applicable to the saints.

5. The NEW Covenant has as one of its central provisions "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" -- there are many new covenant Christians.

6. The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Revelation 14:12

7. War against the Law of God is described by Christ this way - Mark 7:6-13

But the people had thought that they had entered the Sabbath, because they were believing that the Sabbath was only referring to the seventh cycles. Did you know that there is an High Sabbath that no one are not allowed to do any work at all for seven years.

No Command like that from God - in the actual Bible.

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.

Indeed - instead of "dooming all the saints to continually fall short" Hebrews 4 demands that NONE of the saints fall short.

2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did;

Indeed - the "Good News" -- the GOSPEL - preached in both OT and NT.

but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.

Indeed - TWO groups... not "just one group". And "Those who obeyed" are also mentioned in more detail in Hebrews 11 - the same letter. And in that group is included Enoch who was translated directly to heaven and still lives. In that group we find that they were pleasing to God.

Heb 11
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

An entire chapter on the group "that obeyed" as it shows us.

3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

The opposite of "now we are all stuck because of Adam's sin and cannot obey the Sabbath command today just as all were in rebellion against it in all the OT". a point that we can all see and agree with.

9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,

"There remains from what"? In Hebrews 4 we are told that the SAME Sabbath "remains" from the time of David and quotes David in the Psalms where David does not say "we must live in rebellion against the commandments of God because of Adam's sin" - as I think we all agree.

Thus Christ's statement on the subject of rebellion against the Commandments of God in Mark 7:6-13 where people were thinking up creative ways to side-step and tweak one of God's TEN Commandments.

--- Bible details matter.

BobRyan · Feb 23, 2017

more4less said:
Jesus had summed up the many commands of God into two. And so when He stated to keep what He ordered them to do, are the two greatest commands. Love the Lord from our heart and down to our very soul and to love those in the same way that are here with us.

And of course that means they include the Ten Commandments instead of deleting them. So for example - still wrong to take God's name in vain.

Notice what happens in Mark 7:6-13 when attempts are made to "tweak" one of the Ten Commandments.

more4less said:
Well, have you violated any of the commands.

Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

In the New Testament we are reminded "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 and "these things I write to you that you SIN NOT" 1 John 2:1.

Certainly I have sinned - all have sinned and Romans 3:19-20 says the LAW of God condemns all mankind even after the cross - as sinners.

But as a New Covenant Christian - the LAW is "written on my heart and mind" under the new birth.

And so in fact I am not free to "take God's name in vain" simply because I am a Christian or because of some sin committed yesterday.

I think we can all agree with that point.

In this verse that it is saying to not hold any grudges against anyone.

True and in Ephesians 6:2 we are told to honor our parents and reminded that this is the "First commandment with a promise" ... first commandment "where"????

how does Christ present this idea of setting aside even one of God's Commandments in Mark 7:6-13

more4less · Feb 23, 2017

To use the Lord's name in vain means to don't use it to satisfy your own wicked soul. Like for an example, telling someone that they will burn in hell or just using Him as if He is just a mean ole' miser. That is not His true character. You must keep His name Holy.

Numbers 20:6 Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the tent of meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the Lord appeared to them. 7 The Lord said to Moses, 8 “Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink.”

9 So Moses took the staff from the Lord’s presence, just as he commanded him. 10 He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, “Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?” 11 Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.
12 But the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them.”

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Well, Jonah knew what type of soul that God is..

Jonah 4:2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

You are lucky that we are under grace instead of the Laws. But to only way to receive grace, you must pass it on down.

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

Matthew 18:32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

BobRyan · Feb 23, 2017

more4less said:
To use the Lord's name in vain means to don't use it to satisfy your own wicked soul.

Indeed. it is a commandment never quoted in Genesis - and not quoted at all in the NT -- but still applicable to Adam and all mankind - to this very day.

Just as God's Sabbath is "for mankind" Mark 2:27 and "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23 -- for all eternity that Sabbath cycle to be observed.

And even in the NT we have "Sabbath after Sabbath" Gospel services in fact "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 Gospel preaching to BOTH Jews and Gentiles.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Indeed - God's Law defines right behavior. 1 John 3:4 reminds us "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

You are lucky that we are under grace instead of the Laws.

Romans 6 argues the point that we are not to sin -- and that this fact is not at all diminished by the fact that we are under grace.

Matthew 18:32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

Indeed - OSAS does not survive that text.

bugkiller · Feb 23, 2017

BobRyan said:
Paul says in Eph 6:2 that the 5th commandment is in the Ten Commandments - still binding and is the "first commandment with a promise" - which of course is true only in "that unit of ten" still valid in Eph 6:2.

Christ says the "Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27.

Does Jesus then counter Moses? If I read you correctly your claim is the law can not change. The Book of the Law clearly states the Sabbath is for Israel only. For instance Ex 31:13. And since you want it quoted -

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

Isaiah 66:23 says that for all eternity "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship".

I still see nothing about the Sabbath in your verse.

Paul says in Romans 8:4-9 that the lost do not submit to the Law of God "neither indeed can they".

No that is not what Paul says. Paul is talking about the carnal Christian. In v 4 Paul says-

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Paul says nothing about the law here. Paul is talking about righteousness.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

The things of the flesh are the law. What is being argued here in this forum is the physical (body) keeping of the Sabbath, really a pseudo sabbath.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Paul shows in chapter 7 the law kills. Paul states in II Cor 3 -

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones...

No where does Paul say the law bring life.

Paul reminds us in Hebrews 8:6-10 that the NEW Covenant given in Jeremiah 31:31-33 is still valid and includes the "LAW written on the heart and mind".

Unfortunately the law written on the heart is not like the law written on stone. Even v 6 included in your reference of Hebrews says "better covenant" "based on "better promises" opposed to law.

And of course Paul says in Romans 3:19-20 that the LAW condemns all the world as sinners... and ends with this "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the law" Rom 3:31

You really read we enforce the law.

bugkiller

more4less · Feb 24, 2017

BobRyan said:
Indeed. it is a commandment never quoted in Genesis - and not quoted at all in the NT -- but still applicable to Adam and all mankind - to this very day.

Just as God's Sabbath is "for mankind" Mark 2:27 and "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23 -- for all eternity that Sabbath cycle to be observed.

And even in the NT we have "Sabbath after Sabbath" Gospel services in fact "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 Gospel preaching to BOTH Jews and Gentiles.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Indeed - God's Law defines right behavior. 1 John 3:4 reminds us "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Romans 6 argues the point that we are not to sin -- and that this fact is not at all diminished by the fact that we are under grace.

Indeed - OSAS does not survive that text.

The Sabbath were a rehearsal for us to practice on how it will be like in heaven. No more laboring at all, that we will be totally dependent on God. But when Adam and Eve fell away, it had caused them to have to tiller the ground for food. But if they were to enter this rest, that they would not have to labor. Eating of the fruit had caused them to lost touch of the spiritual realm, and put more emphasis on the natural. Before Adam did not know that Eve were Naked. But afterward, he had noticed her noticed her flesh and which that had made them unholy because the started to have sexual desires and which that what God was showing to us that we cannot break from. But Jesus said that there will be a time tht we will not be giving into sexual desires, that we will be like the Angels in heaven.
But when they practiced the Sabbaths, they were to kept it holy, which means that they did not have any sexual desires or holding onto any anger, but only focusing on God's greatness during those periods.
Over time, the Bible has been changed in order to prevent people from leaving the faith because on their weaknesses. Sexual immorality (inappropriate contenteia, inappropriate contentea) is lusting (coveting) after the flesh.
Before the Laws of Moses were made, that it was a sin to lust after any flesh. When they had sexual intercourse, that they were covered up, unable to see whom they were in the bed with. That is why that Jacob did not know that he was sleeping with Rachel's sister, Leah; and why Judah did not know that he was sleeping with Tamar.
And so, have you has been keeping the Sabbath Holy, not having any unclean thoughts?

Matthew 5:28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

In this verse, that everyone believes that Jesus was referring to married men. But not all men were married. And so he was not referring to married men, but He was referring that they were lusting after the flesh, while they are supposedly be devoted to Him.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’”

In this chapter, the devil was only enticing Jesus with worldly desires, but Jesus desires was to do what His Father desires (Will).

more4less · Feb 24, 2017

BobRyan · Feb 24, 2017

more4less said:
The Sabbath were a rehearsal for us to practice on how it will be like in heaven.

In heaven it is "from Sabbath to Sabbath" AND it is "from new moon to new moon" for all eternity in the New Earth - as Isaiah 66:23 points out. TWO distinct cycles (not one... and not "every day"). The bible never uses phrases like "From New moon to New moon" to mean "every day" nor "From Sabbath to Sabbath" to mean 'daily'.

In the OT we are told that Samuel's mother came up to the temple "From year to year" to bring her son a new change of clothes.

The language does not at all mean "daily".

BobRyan · Feb 24, 2017

more4less said:

what is "coming in 2015"??

more4less · Feb 24, 2017

BobRyan said:
In heaven it is "from Sabbath to Sabbath" AND it is "from new moon to new moon" for all eternity in the New Earth - as Isaiah 66:23 points out. TWO distinct cycles (not one... and not "every day"). The bible never uses phrases like "From New moon to New moon" to mean "every day" nor "From Sabbath to Sabbath" to mean 'daily'.

In the OT we are told that Samuel's mother came up to the temple "From year to year" to bring her son a new change of clothes.

The language does not at all mean "daily".

God had told the Hebrews to observe the Sabbath, to keep watch of it. The Sabbath has significant meanings, and we are to find the patterns that comes from it. Like our seasons. We know what time when to plant and to harvest by the settings of the starry host. Everything has it own season as it says in the scriptures. But if the people would of had observe the Sabbath, they would of had known what season it is. But on the Sabbaths, they just slept. They love to sleep like everybody else that has been practicing the Sabbath. On that day, we are supposedly to be focusing on the word of God, to seek Him. Like this is the Jubilee (A High Sabbath), the period that God makes his decision on what to do with the people. Before He comes, the people must be Holy before the Lord. During that time, they must get rid of their anger towards one another, to forgive those that caused harm to them, like the High Sabbath when the pardoned Barabbas. But they has only forgiven a little, because they did not forgiven Jesus. Must free everyone from their debts that they had owed.
But during this Jubilee, there has been many pardons handed out, but they all did not know that it was the Jubilee. Like on the Jubilee, the Hebrews were released from their debt for staying in Egypt. But during these Sabbath, the people did not know what they were doing, that it was God's will for these things to happen in seasons.

Matthew 16:3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

Isaiah 56:10 Israel’s watchmen are blind, they all lack knowledge; they are all mute dogs, they cannot bark; they lie around and dream, they love to sleep.

Deuteronomy 4:29 But if from there you seek the Lord your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Luke 7:47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”

BobRyan · Feb 24, 2017

more4less said:
God had told the Hebrews to observe the Sabbath, to keep watch of it.

He also told them not to take God's name in vain.

But in Isaiah 56:1-8 we see that it is GENTILES specifically blessed for "Sabbath keeping".

In Isaiah 66:23 it is "ALL MANKIND" and not "just Jews" that are under the all-inclusive scope of Sabbath keeping.

It is "MANKIND" in Mark 2:27 for whom the Sabbath "was made'. -- and not "MANKIND MADE" for the Sabbath.

The Sabbath has significant meanings, and we are to find the patterns that comes from it.

not taking God's name in vain is important but deleting the command with "so many patterns" we draw -- is not accepted by God.

In Mark 7:6-13 God condemns such "tweaking" of His Commandments.

BobRyan · Feb 24, 2017

Maybe we should be quoting Mark 7:6-13 at this point

more4less · Feb 25, 2017

BobRyan said:
He also told them not to take God's name in vain.

But in Isaiah 56:1-8 we see that it is GENTILES specifically blessed for "Sabbath keeping".

In Isaiah 66:23 it is "ALL MANKIND" and not "just Jews" that are under the all-inclusive scope of Sabbath keeping.

It is "MANKIND" in Mark 2:27 for whom the Sabbath "was made'. -- and not "MANKIND MADE" for the Sabbath.

not taking God's name in vain is important but deleting the command with "so many patterns" we draw -- is not accepted by God.

In Mark 7:6-13 God condemns such "tweaking" of His Commandments.

Do you know why Jesus told them that the Sabbath was made for man, but not man made for the Sabbath? The Religious leaders were judging his disciples about gathering food for themselves on the Sabbath. Because the Laws of Moses forbid them to do that on the Sabbath. But Jesus had to warned them that the Sabbath is not above them, that God has given them the Sabbath so that they can have time to focus and to put their trust in Him.

Exodus 16:5 On the sixth day they are to prepare what they bring in, and that is to be twice as much as they gather on the other days.”

Exodus 16:23 He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’”

Luke 6:1 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, “Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”

Matthew 12:4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests.

Bible Sabbath vs week-day-1 observance in the Bible

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