Bible Sabbath vs week-day-1 observance in the Bible

[BobRyan]

Catholic answers - address this question about "changing" the Sabbath from one day to another.

"Seventh-day Adventists insist that the Catholic Church has no scriptural warrant for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true?"
http://www.catholic.com/quickquesti...im-that-the-sabbath-shouldnt-have-been-change

Catholic Answers sets the record straight with some wishful thinking added in at the last?

"While it is true that there is no New Testament record of a voice from the heavens instructing the infant Church, "Thou shalt change the day of thy worship and rest from Saturday to Sunday," Adventists are mistaken in their belief that there is no New Testament evidence that supports such a change by the Catholic Church. Quite apart from the biblical proof of the apostolic Church’s authority to teach in God’s name (Mt 16:18–19, 18:17–18, Lk 10:16) and of God’s guarantee that this teaching would never fall into error (Mt 28:19–20, Lk 22:32, Jn 16:13), there is an impressive amount of evidence from Scripture that Christ and the apostles changed their day of corporate worship from Saturday to Sunday."

(that quote was also from the same link as posted above)

They "of course" fail to find even ONE text saying

"from week day one to week-day one shall all mankind come before Me to worship" as we have in Is 66:23 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"Week-day one was made for mankind.. the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" as we have in Mark 2:27-28 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"Remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" as we have in Ex 20:8 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"week day 1 is the Holy day of the Lord" as we have in Isaiah 58:13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the next week day 1 - nearly the entire town came together to hear Gospel preaching" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"they kept asking that the Gospel be presented to them again on the next week day 1" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

" 4 And he was reasoning in the synagogue every week day 1 and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." as we have in Acts 18:4 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the first day is the Lord's day" as we have for the Bible Sabbath in Ex 20:10 and in Is 58:13.

Recall that the "Sabbath" designation for the Bible 7th day Sabbath is often found in the NT. But not once do we find "Lord's day" for week-day-1 or "the new Christian Sabbath" as the term for week-day-1 in the NT.

Sooooo - -lacking all of that "actual evidence".

The link above will simply have to "settle" for some hope of finding a hint that maybe an event EVER happened on week-day-1 and was a worship service. The search is on at that site to find such evidence!

The fact that they did claim to make such a change is not only supported by the "Catholic Answers" article - but also discussed on this thread starting here --
Apr 8, 2015 #1

hence this list of documented historic claims for that change.

we have Catholic Documents -- admitting that as given in the Bible the term "Lord's Day" refers to the Bible Sabbath - the 7th Day and not week-day-1.

The argument is not that the term "Lord's Day" does not exist in the Bible -- rather the argument is that the NT first century writers never say it is week-day-1 even though numerous times in the NT text - week-day-1 is mentioned.

But the Bible calls the 7th day the "Holy Day of the LORD" and calls it Sabbath in BOTH the OT AND the NT

here is another Catholic document that mentions the "Lord's Day"

The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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and still another Catholic document


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Convert's Catechism
Full text of "The convert's catechism of Catholic doctrine"

3. The Third Commandment.

Q. What is the Third Commandment?

A. The Third Commandment is: Remember

that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.

---------------------------50

Q. Which is the Sabbath day ?

A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Satur-
day ?

A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday be-
cause the Catholic Church, in the Council of
Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity
from Saturday to Sunday.

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute
Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Satur-
day, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sun-
day, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apos-
tles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute
Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Satur-
day by the plenitude of that divine power which
Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.

Q. What does the Third Commandment com-
mand?

A. The Third Commandment commands us to
sanctify Sunday as the Lord's Day.

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Indeed - Acts 20 says that a one-time event happened on week-day-1 (again not calling it "the Lord's Day" so as not to confuse the reader). The "excuse"/reason given for this one-time event was that Paul was leaving the next day -- according to the text itself.

meanwhile - here is the actual Bible.

"the Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28.
Is 58:13 - the Sabbath "is the Holy Day of the LORD"
"The seventh day is the Sabbath of LORD thy God" Ex 20:10

Indeed - in Rev 1 there is no "week day 1 is the Lord's Day"... But the NT reader does have these texts to guide them.


With proof posted many places on other threads -- including
Oct 3, 2015 #387

 

[BobRyan]

Here Spurgeon's "Baptist Confession of Faith" insists the Sabbath was "changed"

The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)

Section 22.


Point 7

7. As it is the law of nature that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, should be set apart for the worship of God, so He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect. He has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy for Him. From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.

 

[BobRyan]

From - Westminster Confession of Faith

Chapter XXI: Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day
VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day, and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.

 

[BobRyan]

Sabbath after Sabbath - Gospel preaching to both Jews and Gentiles - in the NT -

Acts 13:44

Acts 17:1-5

Acts 18:4

Not one such example for "week day 1" much less "week-day-1 is the Sabbath" or "is the Christian Sabbath" in the Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

How then does God view this idea of editing/downsizing one of the "Commandments of God"??


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

 

[BobRyan]

No wonder these sources proclaim that they changed it.

The argument is not that the term ("Lord's Day") does not exist in the Bible -- the argument is that the NT - first century writers never say it is week-day-1 even though numerous times in the NT text - week-day-1 is mentioned.

But the Bible calls the 7th day the "Holy Day of the LORD" and calls it Sabbath in BOTH the OT AND the NT

here is another Catholic document that mentions the "Lord's Day"

The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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and still another Catholic document


======================================
Convert's Catechism
Full text of "The convert's catechism of Catholic doctrine"

3. The Third Commandment.

Q. What is the Third Commandment?

A. The Third Commandment is: Remember

that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.

---------------------------50

Q. Which is the Sabbath day ?

A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Satur-
day ?

A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday be-
cause the Catholic Church, in the Council of
Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity
from Saturday to Sunday.

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute
Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Satur-
day, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sun-
day, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apos-
tles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute
Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Satur-
day by the plenitude of that divine power which
Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.

Q. What does the Third Commandment com-
mand?

A. The Third Commandment commands us to
sanctify Sunday as the Lord's Day.

--------------------------===================================================



Indeed - Acts 20 says that a one-time event happened on week-day-1 (again not calling it "the Lord's Day" so as not to confuse the reader). The "excuse"/reason given for this one-time event was that Paul was leaving the next day -- according to the text itself.


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meanwhile - here is the actual Bible.

"the Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28.
Is 58:13 - the Sabbath "is the Holy Day of the LORD"
"The seventh day is the Sabbath of LORD thy God" Ex 20:10

Indeed - in Rev 1 there is no "week day 1 is the Lord's Day"... But the NT reader does have these texts to guide them.

 

[Dave-W]

Good list there Bob.

2 more passages often used to justify Sunday (aka first day) worship need to be looked at:

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

As I have said before, there were 2 reasons for the gentile church to "change" the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first. The deed was done and only afterward did they scramble to find a scriptural justification for doing so. So they came up with ideas like "honoring the Resurrection" and co-opting the phrase "Lord's Day" from Rev 1.10, which has no actual reference to any day of the week. Those were made up to disguise:
1) the ECF's antisemitism, and
2) to avoid persecution by Rome who came down hard on the Jews following the failed Bar Kochba revolt (135 ad)

In the Acts instance, what is actually happening is the Jewish ceremony of Havdalah [separation] - done just after sundown on Saturday, which starts the first day of the week.

In Corinthians, Paul is instructing the Gentile congregation to bring in their contributions on the first day of the week because carrying cash on the Sabbath was prohibited. They did not grow up with that understanding.

 

[Dave-W]

"the first day is the Lord's day" as we have for the Bible Sabbath in Ex 20:10 and in Is 58:13.

Actually, biblically speaking, the phrase "Lord's Day" or "Day of the Lord" denotes the day of violent judgement.

 

[more4less]

Catholic answers - address this question about "changing" the Sabbath from one day to another.



Catholic Answers sets the record straight with some wishful thinking added in at the last?



(that quote was also from the same link as posted above)

They "of course" fail to find even ONE text saying

"from week day one to week-day one shall all mankind come before Me to worship" as we have in Is 66:23 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"Week-day one was made for mankind.. the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" as we have in Mark 2:27-28 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"Remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" as we have in Ex 20:8 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"week day 1 is the Holy day of the Lord" as we have in Isaiah 58:13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the next week day 1 - nearly the entire town came together to hear Gospel preaching" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"they kept asking that the Gospel be presented to them again on the next week day 1" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

" 4 And he was reasoning in the synagogue every week day 1 and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." as we have in Acts 18:4 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the first day is the Lord's day" as we have for the Bible Sabbath in Ex 20:10 and in Is 58:13.

Recall that the "Sabbath" designation for the Bible 7th day Sabbath is often found in the NT. But not once do we find "Lord's day" for week-day-1 or "the new Christian Sabbath" as the term for week-day-1 in the NT.

Sooooo - -lacking all of that "actual evidence".

The link above will simply have to "settle" for some hope of finding a hint that maybe and event EVER happened on week-day-1 and was a worship service. The search is on at that site to find such evidence!

The fact that they did claim to make such a change is not only supported by the "Catholic Answers" article - but also discussed on this thread starting here --
Apr 8, 2015 #1

With proof posted many places on other threads -- including
Oct 3, 2015 #387

Mark 2:27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Matthew 10:13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

 

[graphite412]

I would say that using the Bible to argue with a Catholic of the proper day to observe the Sabbath doesn't quite matter in the long run. From a protestant perspective you have to find prof in the Bible to warrant a change, but for a Catholic all they need is a proper council to change the day. For Roman Catholics the church didn't vaporize into thin air after the scriptures were written or the apostles died, but it still exists and can still decided to change certain traditions if the needs arise. Such an example would be on whether or not bishops can be married. We know Peter was married and he was an apostle, but the church decided quite long ago to pick the bishops from the monastic community. Also we know the law demands circumcision of all Men of Israel, but the early church in Acts decided that it was not necessary for Christians to be circumcised; it would be the same thing with this.

 

[BobRyan]

Good list there Bob.

2 more passages often used to justify Sunday (aka first day) worship need to be looked at:

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

As I have said before, there were 2 reasons for the gentile church to "change" the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first. The deed was done and only afterward did they scramble to find a scriptural justification for doing so. So they came up with ideas like "honoring the Resurrection" and co-opting the phrase "Lord's Day" from Rev 1.10, which has no actual reference to any day of the week. Those were made up to disguise:
1) the ECF's antisemitism, and
2) to avoid persecution by Rome who came down hard on the Jews following the failed Bar Kochba revolt (135 ad)

These are good points. What is more

Acts 20:7 is a great place to find no reference at all to week-day-1 being called "The Lord's Day" and what is more -- if it is indeed Saturday evening - "the first day of the week" - then Paul is scheduling all-day-travel and the new so-called Christian Sabbath.

If on the other hand it is Sunday near evening - then the entire worship service is held primarily on week-day-2 -- the eve of Monday so then it becomes an argument for Monday as the day of worship. (Not likely. It is more likely Saturday evening.)

And there is nothing like "we were gathered in our weekly week-day-1 worship service" in Acts 20 much less "weekly Lord's day worship service".

In Corinthians, Paul is instructing the Gentile congregation to bring in their contributions on the first day of the week because carrying cash on the Sabbath was prohibited. They did not grow up with that understanding.

Yes that 1 Cor 16 reference is another great place to not find "week-day-1 is the LORD's day" but rather "week-day-1 is week-day-1". And there no worship service at all mentioned there for week-day-1. But the good part is that it is "weekly" - "Every week day 1" let each person lay in store by himself at home - funds that are set aside for the purpose of giving to the needy in Jerusalem. Nothing at all there about a weekly worship service on week-day-1.

Rather it appears that on week-day-1 each person is by themselves alone at home.

 

[Dave-W]

Rather it appears that on week-day-1 each person is by themselves alone at home.

Indeed.

If on the other hand it is Sunday near evening - then the entire worship service is held primarily on week-day-2 -- the eve of Monday so then it becomes an argument for Monday as the day of worship. (Not likely. It is more likely Saturday evening.)

Right you are.

From what documents we have been able to find from the Jewish congregations in the first and second century, it seems Havdalah was a popular service with the Messianic Jewish crowd.

What is unclear is whether a full kiddish (bread and wine) was part of that ceremony by traditional Jews at that time, or if they dropped the bread part later on so as not to be confused with the New Covenant Jews who had communion (bread and wine) at that service.

 

[BobRyan]

[Staff edit]

2 Cor 3 speaks of the Ten Commandments external on stone - not in the heart which is where they are under the NEW Covenant. External they condemn. In fact Romans 3:19-21 says they STILL retain that role externally - they are STILL condemning the lost world and directing all toward their need of the Gospel.

And under the Gospel - the NEW Covenant - that Law of God is "written on the heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33

Which is why Romans 3 ends with Romans 3:31 "Do we then make VOID the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God!"

No wonder that EVEN the majority of pro-Sunday scholarship freely admits to this Bible detail.

It just does not get any easier than THIS - when BOTH sides see the Bible detail under discussion!

 

[BobRyan]

I would say that using the Bible to argue with a Catholic of the proper day to observe the Sabbath doesn't quite matter in the long run. From a protestant perspective you have to find prof in the Bible to warrant a change, but for a Catholic all they need is a proper council to change the day.

True.

The Jews had the same system. Their traditions were said to be infallible.

But in their case they also had this - e they were in fact the one true nation-church started by God at Sinai with a God-ordained method of selecting successors to the priesthood. Pretty impressive.

AND YET - Mark 7:6-13 shows that even they were in error when exalting their traditions to a level that messed around with one of the Commandments of God.


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said"


Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

 

[BobRyan]

We know Peter was married and he was an apostle, but the church decided quite long ago to pick the bishops from the monastic community. Also we know the law demands circumcision of all Men of Israel, but the early church in Acts decided that it was not necessary for Christians to be circumcised; it would be the same thing with this.

IT is true that the OT required males in Israel to be circumcised - in Acts 15 the Christian church re-emphasized that this does not apply to gentiles.

In Acts 21 the issue of Jewish Christians and circumcision comes up.

20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you

 

[Dave-W]

IT is true that the OT required males in Israel to be circumcised - in Acts 15 the Christian church re-emphasized that this does not apply to gentiles.

In Acts 21 the issue of Jewish Christians and circumcision comes up.

20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you

Correct. But you left off the last part of verse 24:

... but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.

As a Jewish male, even under the New Covenant Paul had to keep to the Law to be "orderly."

 

[graphite412]

But in their case they also had this - e they were in fact the one true nation-church started by God at Sinai with a God-ordained method of selecting successors to the priesthood. Pretty impressive.

Well for a large part of Christendom, this is even more so the case in the new testament. There is a God ordained method of ordination and lists of qualifications with also the laying on of hands in the new testament for ordination and the bestowal of grace upon those who are ordained.

 

[Light of the East]

[Staff edit].

1. The Saturday Sabbath is part of the Old Covenant. It was given expressly to the Jews and to national Israel. Scripture says this:

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Lev 24:8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;


When God terminated His covenant with Israel for killing Him in the Flesh, the covenant was established with a "new nation" (the Church of the New Covenant) and the Kingdom was given to the Church. (Matthew 21: 33-46)

2. The Sabbath did not even exist as a law of worship until given to Moses in the desert. Therefore, righteous Abraham did not observe it according to the scriptural record. Of course, you will probably want to argue from silence to keep your dogma intact.

3. The Sabbath points to the rest found in Christ. It is prophetic of Christ's coming and His work bringing the rest of salvation to weary mankind. To keep the Saturday Sabbath now, as the Jews currently do, is to do what they do - deny that Christ was the long-awaited for Redeemer and still be looking for another. You appear to not understand what it means for their to be types and symbols in the Scriptures. Which would also be true of Ellen White.

4. Scripture says that the first Christians met on the first day of the week to break bread (Eucharist).
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

5. Look at this verse: Matt. 28:1: ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων (sabbath) τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς μίαν σαββάτων (sabbath) ἦλθενΜαριὰμ ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ ἡ ἄλλη Μαρία θεωρῆσαι τὸν τάφον

I just noted something fascinating there, something you wouldn't see in the atrocious KJV translation.
It is translated this way in the KJV:

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

This is how it reads in the Greek: In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the sabbath, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

This is what it means: (proper interpretation) In the end of the sabbath of the Jews, the sabbath of the Old Covenant , as it began to dawn toward the new sabbath, the sabbath of the New Covenant, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Go. Look it up yourself. Don't take my word for it. I'm just a Papist.

6. You base your whole religion on A.) the denial of 20 centuries of continuous teaching which goes all the way back to the beginning. B.) the questionable and spurious interpretation of a "prophetess" who was theologically untrained and probably didn't know Greek. C.) a vision, which the Bible says can come from evil spirits appearing as angels of light. D.) trashing the Catholic Church.

That, sir, is a most shaky foundation when Christ promised to keep His Church from error.

[Staff edit].

 

[graphite412]

I should also add that the Church is also one. There is one Body, one church, not many.

Ephesians 4:3-6
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Also
1 Corinthians 10:17King James Version (KJV)
17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

 

[Bob S]

[Staff edit].

While I cannot find anyplace in the New Testament that would command Christians to observe any day, I do agree that the first day commemorating the living Savior's power over death is a wonderful reminder. I rest in my Savior everyday. Amen!!!