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Either our footsteps are ordered or they are not, either we are righteous or we are not. Jesus did not believe thought ( our own reasoning based on an image outside of us (no matter what form this image appears in) adds anything to us.

and what if everyone is kind of righteous with ordered footsteps for itself, but no one contributes to/works for the overall salvation in the true God and Jesus Christ and many remain in non-salvation/perdition?!, what's the profit if we fight with beasts but without there being a true salvation/life's provision for the necessitous?!

1 Corinthians 15:32 "If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die."

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and what if everyone is kind of righteous with ordered footsteps for itself, but no one contributes to/works for the overall salvation in the true God and Jesus Christ and many remain in non-salvation/perdition?!, what's the profit if we fight with beasts but without there being a true salvation/life's provision for the necessitous?!

1 Corinthians 15:32 "If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die."

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In reality if there is something that is sin to God then there will always be sin, since God changes not, likewise, if chance exists then God is not in control, and if he is not in control now he never will be, because he never was.

Pilate must have spent time on considering that what he allowed to be done to Jesus was fore-ordained by him, when Jesus told him the power he had over him was given to him from heaven/God, or he would have not had it, much like Caiaphas who unknowingly spoke by the spirit when he said that it is expedient for them, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not (which appears as sane human logic when you consider having a king (of the Jews) in the light of the then Roman occupation).
 
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In reality if there is something that is sin to God then there will always be sin, since God changes not, likewise, if chance exists then God is not in control, and if he is not in control now he never will be, because he never was.

Pilate must have spent time on considering that what he allowed to be done to Jesus was fore-ordained by him, when Jesus told him the power he had over him was given to him from heaven/God, or he would have not had it, much like Caiaphas who unknowingly spoke by the spirit when he said that it is expedient for them, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not (which appears as sane human logic when you consider having a king (of the Jews) in the light of the then Roman occupation).

and if you are or your dear person is affected with a lethal disease (God forbid) and want to be healed before one dies seeking medical help, what would you say if you find the doctors do not heal anybody?!, would you call them real doctors (again)?!, likewise, would some great spiritual servants be true sons of God if they do not work for the overall salvation in Him, after His will is all humans to be saved unto abundant and everlasting life?!

1 Timothy 2:1-6 "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks(i.e. prayers, solicitations, intercessions, and blessings), be made for all men(i.e. for the salvation and life's provision of all humans); For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty(i.e. in all goodness and earnestness). For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men(i.e. all humans/souls) to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth(i.e. and to become good/righteous). For there is one God, and one mediator(also: and one Lord) between God and men, the man(i.e. the human being) Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

so, the purpose of the faith is even to make efforts for providing the humans with direct salvation unto abundant and everlasting life in the true God and Jesus Christ regardless of all difficulties, not just to seek own profit, because the faith was given as a means of overall salvation in Him

1 Timothy 6:3-10 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness(i.e. that the faith is a means of personal gain): from such withdraw thyself. But godliness with contentment(i.e. but the faith for saving the others, which brings true satisfaction) is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the greed is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.",

1 Corinthians 10:24-33 "Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth... Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.",

Hebrews 6:1-9 "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak."

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isn't this a forum about the faith?!

i'm concerned with the same things you are and I know I fall very short of living a spiritual life in some respects.

Christianity is not only a religion about the salvation of dead mankind. once a man is made alive he can start living. Jesus Christ is what Christianity is about and he did not need salvation and so Christianity must be more than about sinful humanity and Jesus Christs heroic sacrifice! two of the most important revelations in Christianity are that that God is Trinity and that the second person of the Trinity is the Son of God and he has a dual nature because he is God and absolute man.

so ofc when I say that life is about the kingdom of God... this is nothing less than the faith right? the Holy Spirit is the kingdom of God after all! God wants us to make his enemies his footstool right? and he told us how to do that and we believers have both failed and succeeded in doing that to various degrees just like every single human being has.

I have some desire to speak about the kingdom of God because I want to ask what does the kingdoms of this world have to do with it? governments, economies, the sake of human reproduction... all those things have nothing to do with the kingdom of God. the various systems of this world are illusions and not the abundant life that Jesus Christ promised to us. the education systems and the way the various governments in the world are ran are not the kingdom of heaven. they are the kingdom of Caesar and at worst they are the kingdom of hades. even church has often become another routine of the world when in reality the church was supposed to be the new world.

the ways of the Spirit can get very extreme but there is so much pollution of the old world in most aspects of human life that it almost seems impossible that Christianity will revive with a spiritual revival that will change the course of this world.
 
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what i'm trying to say is that Jesus Christ did not care for his own safety or his salvation. remember that he did not have the sinful problems that humanity suffers from and so we can't just say that 'he did not have to worry because he was not condemned.' that is a mindset of selfish and dead humanity.

here is something to consider. saints are concerned with building themselves up and thus they are doing themselves a favor by seeking God. but a genius who is an atheist but has a true spiritual drive in his heart for something he can't fully understand yet he does what he can and thus God aids him... but he could still be considered greater in the kingdom of heaven because.... he might throw away his entire life not seeking God and he expects no reward in the afterlife but he said in spirit "I will not work" and yet went anyway. for rather than seeking his own he decided to seek doing the God given graces that God appointed him to do in the world. if he had used his own understanding and self-will and wanted to be saved then he would have became a saint and thus not do the things God set out for him to do. he would have been found guilty of quenching Gods spirit if indeed it was Gods will for him to be a "imperfect" genius rather than for him to be a "perfect" saint.

not all humans are called by God to become saints and if that is true then it means many things that the religious often condemn are actually part of Gods plan.

God is God of the the entire world.
 
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In reality if there is something that is sin to God then there will always be sin, since God changes not, likewise, if chance exists then God is not in control, and if he is not in control now he never will be, because he never was.

Pilate must have spent time on considering that what he allowed to be done to Jesus was fore-ordained by him, when Jesus told him the power he had over him was given to him from heaven/God, or he would have not had it, much like Caiaphas who unknowingly spoke by the spirit when he said that it is expedient for them, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not (which appears as sane human logic when you consider having a king (of the Jews) in the light of the then Roman occupation).

just because God is true being does not mean that sin is not because freedom gives the possibility for something less than God by a distortion of the natural systems to be used in an imperfect way. the soul get scrambled and scattered and it becomes something else by simply not choosing the best because the accidental goodness we were originally created in is evil if it is compulsion. you want to know what compulsion is? look at the effects of this reality. it is full of compulsions. necessity is a condition that exist because of sin. I am forced to breath air and ALL creatures in this world die. do you think that is Gods plan? for things to suffer and die or is this a result of a person who fell away from God and created a lesser reality than the perfection of God? if there is only the Father and the Son then that would be the end result, the possibility for this be be eternal. you know just how wrong duality is and Father and Son make a duality.

but the Holy Spirit changes everything because of the design of reality ( the original being is Trinity ) and that is why if we do not bare the names of the Holy Spirit along with Christ then we can not even enter into the gates of repentance.

God can give people power and they can then detract from Gods intended purpose of the power that that person was given. it was still because of God even though since there is a duality of God and man that the possibility in freedom allows for the man to do whatever he wants with the things God willed in his grace. and so it is interactions and reactions and various plans of both God and man. you could say that within the discursive part of reality that things are one way and in the end result of reality that things are another.

God can create chance within the confines of a system. he does not have to have complete control over everything. God does not have control over everything because if he did then it means that I have no freedom of my own which puts the blame of sin on God rather than me. this view gives God more dignity and more power. do you really think that God WANTED adam to fall away from him? do you want your child to go out in front of a 18 wheeler? you know 18 means life and are the first two letters of Jesus in greek and a wheel is a circle. just because all circles are still completed in eternity does not mean things outside eternity are complete or if that was the case then there would not be such thing as the possibility of this shadow serving its purpose. and it appears that God, once we partook of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, now uses that even though his original command was to not eat of it. did Jesus soul ever eat of it? no and look how different it was compared to even you or I or to the various angels, they all fell away from God to some degree or they would have remained in the condition that Jesus soul was in. or is God unfair to souls he makes and made some superior and some inferior? did God make the devil or did the devil turn from something good to a lesser condition?

I only say all this because I know it is far more than what I have described. but there is power when a few gather in his name. I want to learn and understand more. I want to find something but I don't know what it is. we could all use more. doesn't God want something from us? maybe he does not, but don't you think that even if he does not that love would love in whatever way it thinks to and I and all should try to be who they are for Gods sake? why should we all grieve God and let him be the only one doing the work? God does not want to be alone. God wants companionship. so what if what I say falls short, I have to still try to love him of my own self. it's not a sin to do this and no one should have to be asked and told everything.

God never said the smoke of her torment would end but he said he would be with us in the furnace.
 
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just because God is true being does not mean that sin is not because freedom gives the possibility for something less than God by a distortion of the natural systems to be used in an imperfect way. the soul get scrambled and scattered and it becomes something else by simply not choosing the best because the accidental goodness we were originally created in is evil if it is compulsion. you want to know what compulsion is? look at the effects of this reality. it is full of compulsions. necessity is a condition that exist because of sin. I am forced to breath air and ALL creatures in this world die. do you think that is Gods plan? for things to suffer and die or is this a result of a person who fell away from God and created a lesser reality than the perfection of God? if there is only the Father and the Son then that would be the end result, the possibility for this be be eternal. you know just how wrong duality is and Father and Son make a duality.

but the Holy Spirit changes everything because of the design of reality and that is why if we do not bare the names of the Holy Spirit along with Christ then we can not even enter into the gates of repentance.

God can give people power and they can then detract from Gods intended purpose of the power that that person was given. it was still because of God even though since there is a duality of God and man that the possibility in freedom allows for the man to do whatever he wants with the things God willed in his grace. and so it is interactions and reactions and various plans of both God and man.

God can create chance within the confines of a system. he does not have to have complete control over everything. this view gives God more dignity and more power. do you really think that God WANTED adam to fall away from him? do you want your child to go out in front of a 18 wheeler? you know 18 means life and are the first two letters of Jesus in greek and a wheel is a circle. just because all circles are still completed in eternity does not mean things outside eternity are complete or if that was the case then there would not be such thing as the possibility of this shadow serving its purpose. and it appears that God, once we partook of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, now uses that even though his original command was to not eat of it. did Jesus soul ever eat of it? no and look how different it was compared to even you or I or to the various angels, they all fell away from God to some degree or they would have remained in the condition that Jesus soul was in. or is God unfair to souls he makes and made some superior and some inferior? did God make the devil or did the devil turn from something good to a lesser condition?

God is the absolute, sin is man's doubt of this truth that they are one with.
 
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God is the absolute, sin is man's doubt of this truth that they are one with.

something came out of man that did not come out of God. the Logos has always prevailed over the darkness but I can't say i have. now why would I go and do such a thing and make myself look different than the Logos? why would I murder myself? don't you think I deserve Gods love even if I refuse to love him? the Logos always loved God. God always loved his Son. God loved me even when I did not love him.

here is parts of this mystery in a song:

lyrics for "Not Alone":

Under the stars
We run in the wind
Taking every single moment that we can
Look into your eyes
We run from the lights
Believe it but you can't know how I feel
I can't believe that you still think we're friends
Like someone I just met, you can't pretend
That you don't feel the magic, tell your mind
And I am on a mission to show you how
These are moments you can't live without
Knowing that you can't ever say goodbye

And you feel
Like you're all alone
Can't you recover your heart and let it go?
And you see
Just how good we'd be
Just close your eyes now and let your body feel

And now you feel
Like you're all alone
My love will surround you
In ways that you don't know
And now you feel
Like it could be real
My love will surround you
Close your eyes and see

And out of this daze
Where memories were made
And tell you how the life you want to leave ( or lead? )
Lightning will strike
In a way that you like
And fate will take its hand just come to me

I can't believe you're coming back around
For a moment you were there then you hit the ground
It's almost like you started to believe
You say enough for me to know you tried
But everything you're feeling is stuck inside
Open up your heart and set us free

And now you feel
Like you're all alone
Telling everybody
Nothing's going on

And then you stood
Feeling so alone
It's like everybody knows that I'm the one
I feel it in my skin
You know where I have been
There's no need to cover
It's time that you begin

And then you stop...stop...stop...
Cause you feel
(Did you see how good we'd be)
So alone
(When you open up to me)
Not alone
(Did you see how good we'd be)
Not alone
(When you open up to me)
Not alone

Did you see how good we'd be, when you open up to me
Did you see how good we'd be, when you open up to me
Did you see how good we'd be, when you open up to me
Did you see how good we'd be, when you open up to me


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if the salvation was not (the) important, then you would both have been dead in hell, but here is how you are still alive now thanks to the love, faith and prayers(intercessions) of the true Saints for overall salvation(including you), or as it is written: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake(i.e. but because of the love, faith and prayers/intercessions of the true Saints for overall salvation unto abundant and everlasting life in the true Lord God) those days shall be shortened."(Matthew 24:24), the kingdom of God is overall peace, or as it is written: "there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."(Revelation 21:27), and this world should also become peaceful as it by being possessed by it: "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."(Matthew 6:9-10)

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The soul of itself (in relationship to God) cannot conceive of the moment lost or the blink of an eye, or something that never was (words being so unfitting) in relationship to the death which is reflected in the foundation of the world, or creation which became itself a seed that fell to the ground, which is the process of time or separation, or as it was the multiplication of thought, seed time and harvest.

There are many lower realms of thought (with their two kingdoms, two trees, two men, two woman, two angels, etc.) in an eye that is not single, but there is only one foundation that thought flows out of concerning self (there being no other that can be laid), which could be said in innumerable ways, each painting a fuller picture of the same one truth in ways flesh cannot contain or reveal (neither the image nor the woman of the image) which became the ground/nutrients/death/cross for the seed of the truth that always was … God.

We are not separate, but this word separate does not convey the manner in which we have been made to understand, whom we have always been partakers of, it is an eye that is single, it not being about the words but about living in it, in Christ, in the kingdom, in the mind of God, as a rest we have entered into, or a place to lay our head, an entering into salvation which is the person of God as who we are.
 
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if the salvation was not (the) important, then you would both have been dead in hell, but here is how you are still alive now thanks to the love, faith and prayers(intercessions) of the true Saints for overall salvation(including you), or as it is written: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake(i.e. but because of the love, faith and prayers/intercessions of the true Saints for overall salvation unto abundant and everlasting life in the true Lord God) those days shall be shortened."(Matthew 24:24), the kingdom of God is overall peace, or as it is written: "there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."(Revelation 21:27), and this world should also become peaceful as it by being possessed by it: "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."(Matthew 6:9-10)

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Salvation cannot be separated from God no more than his kingdom can, or the love that he is can, so salvation perceived as a journey does not lessen or increase the truth that he is, but an ongoing increase as even the kingdom cannot be separated from the one salvation that God is.
 
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Salvation is not a commodity no more than the kingdom of God is. It can not be bought by money or thought, neither can it be increased or decreased by the same means.

we can hope for that, but it is written not in vain that the misbeliefs/heresies are the main cause of the existing sin/evil

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Salvation cannot be separated from God no more than his kingdom can, or the love that he is can, so salvation perceived as a journey does not lessen or increase the truth that he is, but an ongoing increase as even the kingdom cannot be separated from the one salvation that God is.

but the journey as an indirectness hindering/impeding the overall salvation in the true Lord God can lessen/decrease its directness/straightforwardness

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but the journey as an indirectness hindering/impeding the overall salvation in the true Lord God can lessen/decrease its directness/straightforwardness

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We cannot add to it or take away from it (the book opening in us), when we do it is an adding to us or a taking away from us individually which by relationship effects the whole.
 
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We cannot add to it or take away from it (the book opening in us), when we do it is an adding to us or a taking away from us individually which by relationship effects the whole.

but if the believers lay down terms for the true salvation, then wouldn't it turn out (to be) more and more thwarted with each additional reason for one or another (kind of) human not to be saved?!, for example, if they believe in and follow the belief that everyone who is not baptized, regardless of whether (it) is good or evil, will go to hell, then how would/will they succeed to save that person?!

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but if the believers put conditions for the true salvation, then wouldn't it turn out (to be) more and more thwarted with each additional reason for one or another (kind of) human not to be saved?!, for example, if they believe in and follow the belief that everyone who is not baptized, regardless of whether (it) is good or evil, will go to hell, then how would/will they succeed to save that person?!

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those have always been naive ways of thinking by immature Christians who are still considered "flesh". you can't expect to put on the symbols of the new man and be clothed with the new man. thank God he helps us so much in our weaknesses and saves us from our own follies by giving a palpable salvation rather than one designed with abstract reasoning that is a mere phantasmal legalistic system based in the ways of the old world.

there is nothing more sure and stable than God. hope is closer to reality than what scientist consider solid and sure knowledge. hope is part of the reality of the Spirit. it is before this universe because it is from heaven and from Christ.

christian tradition is spiritually useful which is why God himself appointed it. but we all should know WHY God does what he does rather than only going through the motions but not really living life.
 
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those have always been naive ways of thinking by immature Christians who are still considered "flesh". you can't expect to put on the symbols of the new man and be clothed with the new man. thank God he helps us so much in our weaknesses and saves us from our own follies by giving a palpable salvation rather than one designed with abstract reasoning that is a mere phantasmal legalistic system based in the ways of the old world.

there is nothing more sure and stable than God. hope is closer to reality than what scientist consider solid and sure knowledge. hope is part of the reality of the Spirit. it is before this universe because it is from heaven and from Christ.

christian tradition is spiritually useful which is why God himself appointed it. but we all should know WHY God does what he does rather than only going through the motions but not really living life.

but isn't the graceful life kind of vain to the urgent salvation that the neighbor(cohabitant) needs?!, or what if we live very gracefully while our neighbor(cohabitant) suffers/dies at the same time and no one helps it effectively?!

Blessings
 
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