Thoughts ...

[toLiJC]

reincarnation sounds really terrible. I don't know what hell is worse, the one that Christians come up with or the one where you have to be reborn again and again in this world.

the worse would be the millions of rebirths for every soul in each consecutive eternity, because so everyone would suffer a billion times more over and over, that is why the maximum of one possible death within one eternity is much better

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

Explain the process as you see it of seed time and harvest in relationship to the soul as opposed to the spirit in the scenario of David and the woman on the roof as it relates to something happening in David ...

the humans are kind of puppets in the universe, while the primordial manifestations of the spiritual are kind of their puppeteers (may God not let in the hands of the devil)

Blessings

 

[x141]

the humans are kind of puppets in the universe, while the primordial manifestations of the spiritual are kind of their puppeteers

Blessings

I'm looking for the nuts and bolts of the process that happens in the individual whereby thought/knowledge becomes experiential ... if we are mere puppets, then it is God and God alone who is responsible for all things, we having no real say in the outcome one way or the other. In the case of David, why Bathsheba was on the roof, and why David was where he was when he was is not of either of their doings then the fault does not lie with the puppet but the puppeteer.

 

[toLiJC]

I'm looking for the nuts and bolts of the process that happens in the individual whereby thought/knowledge becomes experiential ... if we are mere puppets, then it is God and God alone who is responsible for all things, we having no real say in the outcome one way or the other. In the case of David, why Bathsheba was on the roof, and why David was where he was when he was is not of either of their doings then the fault does not lie with the puppet but the puppeteer.

let's not forget there is not only God, but also wicked which is the primordial manifestation of the dark side of the spiritual, while the true God is not responsible for its existence, judgment and activity, although He has the duty to keep the human and (the) other ensouled beings from all evil, but unfortunately was against His will(of necessity) in a millennia-long state of half-sleep for the last about 5-6 thousand years (reckoned from the seventh day on), and therefore He was not absolutely able to take full care of them all, so the "darkness" unfortunately had the chance to cause evil to many by the (human activity of its kingdom, to wit the) system of the human(666) religion/spirituality and spiritual iniquity, however, the true God has the full power to limit the activity of the wicked and even to lock it moreover completely and forever - it is a matter of prayer and fasting, because the show of pure love and true righteousness wakes Him (up) (Mark 9:29)

as for David on the roof, he was there as if by accident when he saw the naked bathsheba, but as for the evil case with Uriah the hittite, the devil actually had an inner/domestic power during the time before the New Testament whereby it was able to manifest as a part of God and even as a part of Jehovah, and to do mischiefs on certain people, even to hold the bodies of many died Saints in graves until the coming of Jesus the Son of God (Matthew 27:52-53)

Blessings

 

[x141]

let's not forget there is not only God, but also wicked which is the primordial manifestation of the dark side of the spiritual, while the true God is not responsible for its existence, judgment and activity, although He has the duty to keep the human and (the) other ensouled beings from all evil, but unfortunately was against His will(of necessity) in a millennia-long state of half-sleep for the last about 5-6 thousand years (reckoned from the seventh day on), and therefore He was not absolutely able to take full care of them all, so the "darkness" unfortunately had the chance to cause evil to many by the (human activity of its kingdom, to wit the) system of the human(666) religion/spirituality and spiritual iniquity, however, the true God has the full power to limit the activity of the wicked and even to lock it moreover completely and forever - it is a matter of prayer and fasting, because the show of pure love and true righteousness wakes Him (up) (Mark 9:29)

as for David on the roof, he was there as if by accident when he saw the naked bathsheba, but as for the evil case with Uriah the hittite, the devil actually had an inner/domestic power during the time before the New Testament whereby it was able to manifest as a part of God and even as a part of Jehovah, and to do mischiefs on certain people, even to hold the bodies of many died Saints in graves until the coming of Jesus the Son of God (Matthew 27:52-53)

Blessings

Was there something then before God ?

(concerning David or us for that matter) If the thoughts that motivate us are a product of spirit David's footsteps that lead him to the roof top were not by chance that day no more than (let's say) Jesus happened to be in a garden at the time of his betrayal ...

 

[toLiJC]

Was there something then before God ?

(concerning David or us for that matter) If the thoughts that motivate us are a product of spirit David's footsteps that lead him to the roof top were not by chance that day no more than (let's say) Jesus happened to be in a garden at the time of his betrayal ...

the "darkness" is also infinitely existing like God Himself, so God and the "darkness" are both uncaused, or as it is written:

Genesis 1:1-5 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

so as it is seen from this passage, the first things that God created were the Heaven and the Earth, while, as it is also seen, the "darkness" existed even before that, because it was already existing without being created by Him, otherwise it would have been written in the same chapter that He created it, but it is written how the "darkness" was already there upon the deep of the universe, i.e. even before God started to create for the first time, (and) then, as it is shown in the text, the next thing that He created was the "Light", but it is not written at all that He created the "darkness", only the manifestation(s) of the "darkness" can be locked until the end of the eternity, but its existence unfortunately cannot be ceased even for a while, let alone forever/permanently, because He could from the beginning limit the "darkness", as it is seen from the written above, because here is how He immured it in the form of "night" by dividing the "Light" from it

the "darkness" unfortunately managed to make even the Son of man be betrayed, so God and the "darkness" till now were the two independent puppeteers of the universe, because They are the two primordial manifestations of the uncased spiritual, i.e. respectively of its "Light" and "dark" side, that is why the faith should be only in the true Lord God, and not in any manifestation of the "darkness"

Blessings

 

[x141]

the "darkness" is also infinitely existing like God Himself, so God and the "darkness" are both uncaused, or as it is written:

Genesis 1:1-5 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

so as it is seen from this passage, the first things that God created were the Heaven and the Earth, while, as it is also seen, the "darkness" existed even before that, because it was already existing without being created by Him, otherwise it would have been written in the same chapter that He created it, but it is written how the "darkness" was already there upon the deep of the universe, i.e. even before God started to create for the first time, (and) then, as it is shown in the text, the next thing that He created was the "Light", but it is not written at all that He created the "darkness", only the manifestation(s) of the "darkness" can be locked until the end of the eternity, but its existence unfortunately cannot be ceased even for a while, let alone forever/permanently, because He could from the beginning limit the "darkness", as it is seen from the written above, because here is how He immured it in the form of "night" by dividing the "Light" from it

the "darkness" unfortunately managed to make even the Son of man be betrayed, so God and the "darkness" till now were the two independent puppeteers of the universe, because They are the two primordial manifestations of the uncased spiritual, i.e. respectively of its "Light" and "dark" side, that is why the faith should be only in the true Lord God, and not in any manifestation of the "darkness"

Blessings

What of chance?

 

[x141]

What does it mean to be a son of God, is it something achieved by thought, or by the keeping of something as a way to this, or as a way for one to be equal with God … Jesus likened this to a pit one falls into. It is a mentality of torment with no bottom where proselytes become twofold the offspring of the adversary of (the) God (that they are) then the one who proselytized them in the first place.

God is a truth or a kingdom, which I use in the broadest sense possible (and this through relationship (as father and son, or between us and our father) to be entered into, but it does not happen as something that is an experience outside of us; it is an inward journey, into something that we have always been, a place where thought cannot add to or take away from, instead thought becomes the continual opening of who we are, which in one form appears as a river, it’s very substance the essence of the life that we are, or have in ourselves, even as our Father has it in himself, and in whom we are in as this.
To bring every imagination into the obedience of this one mind, Christ, or soul, or kingdom (in relationship to being I am) becomes the only truth of self that there is, and it is by this self-existing truth that we view others as our self, love others as our self, knowing that we in the process of this are loving God which is who we are (in that our eye is single), which is not subject to another’s present place in the journey, that is as for us, the continual entering into the consciousness of the one we have always been via self.

In truth there are no borders, only perceived borders that become the illusion of obstacles to surmount which is akin to wandering in a wilderness of our own making, whether this be a life time or brought down to the single thought one is carried away by in relationship to self.

People seek through means outside of themselves to become what they already are and have been the moment God had conceived them.

 

[Noxot]

I never got around to reading all the books of the prophets because in my youth I could hardly understand. now I can relate to some of them and I have hope in the establishments that the Lord gave to the prophets.

Jer 13:15-17 (YLT)
Hear, and give ear--be not haughty, For Jehovah hath spoken. Give ye to Jehovah your God honour, Before He doth cause darkness, And before your feet stumble on dark mountains, And ye have waited for light, And He hath made it for death-shade, And hath appointed it for thick darkness. And if ye do not hear it, In secret places doth my soul weep, because of pride, Yea, it weepeth sore, And the tear cometh down mine eyes, For the flock of Jehovah hath been taken captive.

Ezek 32:3-9 (YLT)
Thus said the Lord Jehovah: And--I have spread out for thee My net, With an assembly of many peoples, And they have brought thee up in My net. And I have left thee in the land, On the face of the field I do cast thee out, And have caused to dwell upon thee every fowl of the heavens, And have satisfied out of thee the beasts of the whole earth. And I have put thy flesh on the mountains, And filled the valleys with thy hugeness, And watered the land with thy flowing, From thy blood--unto the mountains, And streams are filled from thee. And in quenching thee I have covered the heavens, And have made black their stars, The sun with a cloud I do cover, And the moon causeth not its light to shine. All luminaries of light in the heavens, I make black over thee, And I have given darkness over thy land, An affirmation of the Lord Jehovah, And I have vexed the heart of many peoples, In My bringing in thy destruction among nations, Unto lands that thou hast not known.

Dan 2:19-22 (YLT)
Then to Daniel, in a vision of the night, the secret hath been revealed. Then hath Daniel blessed the God of the heavens. Daniel hath answered and said, `Let the name of God be blessed from age even unto age, for wisdom and might--for they are His. And He is changing times and seasons, He is causing kings to pass away, and He is raising up kings; He is giving wisdom to the wise, and knowledge to those possessing understanding. He is revealing deep and hidden things; He hath known what is in darkness, and light with Him hath dwelt.

Mic 7:5-10 (YLT)
Believe not in a friend, trust not in a leader, From her who is lying in thy bosom keep the openings of thy mouth. For a son is dishonouring a father, A daughter hath stood against her mother, A daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, The enemies of each are the men of his house. And I--in Jehovah I do watch, I do wait for the God of my salvation, Hear me doth my God. Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me. The indignation of Jehovah I do bear, For I have sinned against Him, Till that He doth plead my cause, And hath executed my judgment, He doth bring me forth to the light, I look on His righteousness. And see doth mine enemy, And cover her doth shame, Who saith unto me, `Where is Jehovah thy God?' Mine eyes do look on her, Now she is for a treading-place, As mire of the out-places.

 

[toLiJC]

What of chance?

the chance for the human(s) to not perish is in the adherence to the non-infliction of evil as a whole, and till now there was also a spiritual iniquity, or in other words, an infliction of evil on the neighbor caused even just by worship of another god/lord(christ)/spirit i.e. that is not the true One, or as it is also written:

Romans 5:12-14 "by one man(also: by the generation of the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants) sin(i.e. the devil and its system i.e. the one of the spiritual iniquity) entered into the world, and death(i.e. and the (spirit of) deterioration) by sin; and so death passed upon all men(i.e. and so the deterioration overtook many humans), for that all have sinned(i.e. because many were seized by the system of (the) spiritual iniquity - some of them as its servants, while others as its victims): For until the law sin was in the world(i.e. because the "darkness" was in the universe even until the entry of the human religion/spirituality): but sin is not imputed when there is no law(i.e. but there is no sin where there is no spiritual iniquity). Nevertheless death(i.e. the deterioration) reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression(i.e. even over people who had not committed spiritual iniquity)"

that is why the true Lord God said: "You should not have other gods/lords(christs) besides Me....."(Exodus 20), because all others are false i.e. (some) faces of the wicked, for the devil appeared as/to be another god when eve and adam were deceived by it at the beginning

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

What does it mean to be a son of God, is it something achieved by thought, or by the keeping of something as a way to this, or as a way for one to be equal with God … Jesus likened this to a pit one falls into. It is a mentality of torment with no bottom where proselytes become twofold the offspring of the adversary of (the) God (that they are) then the one who proselytized them in the first place.

God is a truth or a kingdom, which I use in the broadest sense possible (and this through relationship (as father and son, or between us and our father) to be entered into, but it does not happen as something that is an experience outside of us; it is an inward journey, into something that we have always been, a place where thought cannot add to or take away from, instead thought becomes the continual opening of who we are, which in one form appears as a river, it’s very substance the essence of the life that we are, or have in ourselves, even as our Father has it in himself, and in whom we are in as this.
To bring every imagination into the obedience of this one mind, Christ, or soul, or kingdom (in relationship to being I am) becomes the only truth of self that there is, and it is by this self-existing truth that we view others as our self, love others as our self, knowing that we in the process of this are loving God which is who we are (in that our eye is single), which is not subject to another’s present place in the journey, that is as for us, the continual entering into the consciousness of the one we have always been via self.

In truth there are no borders, only perceived borders that become the illusion of obstacles to surmount which is akin to wandering in a wilderness of our own making, whether this be a life time or brought down to the single thought one is carried away by in relationship to self.

People seek through means outside of themselves to become what they already are and have been the moment God had conceived them.

this could (more or less) be true, albeit from some kind of different perspective, but let's not forget the fact that the overall salvation in the true Lord God is the main purpose of the faith, otherwise there would be no faith ever, or what if we have all the knowledge of God and the universe, but there is no true salvation for everyone - how could we calmly live as sons of the true God, either in this world, or in an eternal paradise, if there is still someone who suffers somewhere or is threatened to suffer in the future or is/threatened to remain without abundant and everlasting life?!

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

I never got around to reading all the books of the prophets because in my youth I could hardly understand. now I can relate to some of them and I have hope in the establishments that the Lord gave to the prophets.

Jer 13:15-17 (YLT)
Hear, and give ear--be not haughty, For Jehovah hath spoken. Give ye to Jehovah your God honour, Before He doth cause darkness, And before your feet stumble on dark mountains, And ye have waited for light, And He hath made it for death-shade, And hath appointed it for thick darkness. And if ye do not hear it, In secret places doth my soul weep, because of pride, Yea, it weepeth sore, And the tear cometh down mine eyes, For the flock of Jehovah hath been taken captive.

Ezek 32:3-9 (YLT)
Thus said the Lord Jehovah: And--I have spread out for thee My net, With an assembly of many peoples, And they have brought thee up in My net. And I have left thee in the land, On the face of the field I do cast thee out, And have caused to dwell upon thee every fowl of the heavens, And have satisfied out of thee the beasts of the whole earth. And I have put thy flesh on the mountains, And filled the valleys with thy hugeness, And watered the land with thy flowing, From thy blood--unto the mountains, And streams are filled from thee. And in quenching thee I have covered the heavens, And have made black their stars, The sun with a cloud I do cover, And the moon causeth not its light to shine. All luminaries of light in the heavens, I make black over thee, And I have given darkness over thy land, An affirmation of the Lord Jehovah, And I have vexed the heart of many peoples, In My bringing in thy destruction among nations, Unto lands that thou hast not known.

Dan 2:19-22 (YLT)
Then to Daniel, in a vision of the night, the secret hath been revealed. Then hath Daniel blessed the God of the heavens. Daniel hath answered and said, `Let the name of God be blessed from age even unto age, for wisdom and might--for they are His. And He is changing times and seasons, He is causing kings to pass away, and He is raising up kings; He is giving wisdom to the wise, and knowledge to those possessing understanding. He is revealing deep and hidden things; He hath known what is in darkness, and light with Him hath dwelt.

Mic 7:5-10 (YLT)
Believe not in a friend, trust not in a leader, From her who is lying in thy bosom keep the openings of thy mouth. For a son is dishonouring a father, A daughter hath stood against her mother, A daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, The enemies of each are the men of his house. And I--in Jehovah I do watch, I do wait for the God of my salvation, Hear me doth my God. Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me. The indignation of Jehovah I do bear, For I have sinned against Him, Till that He doth plead my cause, And hath executed my judgment, He doth bring me forth to the light, I look on His righteousness. And see doth mine enemy, And cover her doth shame, Who saith unto me, `Where is Jehovah thy God?' Mine eyes do look on her, Now she is for a treading-place, As mire of the out-places.

God as a biblical name is just viewed as few different things in the biblical scriptures according to the relevant/respective/concrete passage/context:

- the true Lord God Who is absolutely good and not a bit evil

- the negative god (the) judge which is shown in Matthew 5:25, a distinct manifestation of the spiritual which issues from the clash between the "Light" and the "darkness" at the beginning of the eternity and which is something like a hybrid of the "Light" and the "darkness", because it has a lot of the God's justice, but is negative in regard to judgment

- the primordial manifestations/phenomena of the uncaused spiritual regarded as a whole mechanism of interaction which acts in the life of the concerned person that appears to be between (so to speak) the "hammer" and the "anvil" of the "darkness" and the "Light"

and furthermore, don't forget the fact that the devil had an inner/domestic power during the time(s) before the New Testament (reckoned from the day of the fall/original sin on) whereby it was able to be and manifest as a part of God, even as a part of Jehovah, and to participate in the writing of the biblical law/scriptures inculcating many imperfect things therein, but God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ have completely and permanently destroyed all that(inner/domestic) power which the wicked had have then

also, many biblical terms have special meanings, for example the word "cause darkness"(חָשַׁךְ, chashak, strong's h2821) from Jer 13:16 (from the passage that you gave above) means "hide", because the true Lord God can conceal the evilness from the evil person (who ever it is), or in other words, He can remove the evilness of the evil person from it, etc.

Blessings

 

[x141]

the chance for the human(s) to not perish is in the adherence to the non-infliction of evil as a whole, and till now there was also a spiritual iniquity, or in other words, an infliction of evil on the neighbor caused even just by worship of another god/lord(christ)/spirit i.e. that is not the true One, or as it is also written:

Romans 5:12-14 "by one man(also: by the generation of the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants) sin(i.e. the devil and its system i.e. the one of the spiritual iniquity) entered into the world, and death(i.e. and the (spirit of) deterioration) by sin; and so death passed upon all men(i.e. and so the deterioration overtook many humans), for that all have sinned(i.e. because many were seized by the system of (the) spiritual iniquity - some of them as its servants, while others as its victims): For until the law sin was in the world(i.e. because the "darkness" was in the universe even until the entry of the human religion/spirituality): but sin is not imputed when there is no law(i.e. but there is no sin where there is no spiritual iniquity). Nevertheless death(i.e. the deterioration) reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression(i.e. even over people who had not committed spiritual iniquity)"

that is why the true Lord God said: "You should not have other gods/lords(christs) besides Me....."(Exodus 20), because all others are false i.e. (some) faces of the wicked, for the devil appeared as/to be another god when eve and adam were deceived by it at the beginning

Blessings

The chance I refer to is David by chance being on top of the roof ...

 

[x141]

this could (more or less) be true, albeit from some kind of different perspective, but let's not forget the fact that the overall salvation in the true Lord God is the main purpose of the faith, otherwise there would be no faith ever, or what if we have all the knowledge of God and the universe, but there is no true salvation for everyone - how could we calmly live as sons of the true God, either in this world, or in an eternal paradise, if there is still someone who suffers somewhere or is threatened to suffer in the future or is/threatened to remain without abundant and everlasting life?!

Blessings

I consider God (and all that word contains as an everlasting unfolding of the truth that he is in me) quite literally my father, being that there is only one father, and there has never been a time when there was less than one father, as there is only one son (which greatly relies on (as a perspective we live in) where one is at in the journey).

 

[x141]

Inner space is larger than outer space.

Jesus spoke of an inner relationship that all things related to.

If we seek him we will find him, and the walls that separate us from him fade.

 

[toLiJC]

The chance I refer to is David by chance being on top of the roof ...

and what do you so marvel about it?!

 

[toLiJC]

I consider God (and all that word contains as an everlasting unfolding of the truth that he is in me) quite literally my father, being that there is only one father, and there has never been a time when there was less than one father, as there is only one son (which greatly relies on (as a perspective we live in) where one is at in the journey).

there is a time when God the Father is not in His absolutely mature form, namely in the time between the end of each eternity and the beginning of the next to it

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

Inner space is larger than outer space.

Jesus spoke of an inner relationship that all things related to.

If we seek him we will find him, and the walls that separate us from him fade.

there should always be a certain distinctness(sanctity) between every human and any other, otherwise the humans can begin to resemble pigs in a sty

Blessings

 

[x141]

and what do you so marvel about it?!

Either our footsteps are ordered or they are not, either we are righteous or we are not. Jesus did not believe thought ( our own reasoning based on an image outside of us (no matter what form this image appears in) adds anything to us.

 

[x141]

there should always be a certain distinctness between every human and any other, otherwise the humans can begin to resemble pigs in a sty

Blessings

By him I mean God, but all are unique but all of one.