Thoughts ...

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but isn't the graceful life kind of vain to the urgent salvation that the neighbor(cohabitant) needs?!, or what if we live very gracefully while our neighbor(cohabitant) suffers/dies at the same time and no one helps it effectively?!

Blessings

Our neighbor is us; for one to live gracefully is to live as this, but nevertheless, if you don't love your enemy what have you done, and in the same breath, if God does not love his enemies what has he done.

 

[toLiJC]

Our neighbor is us; for one to live gracefully is to live as this, but nevertheless, if you don't love your enemy what have you done, and in the same breath, if God does not love his enemies what has he done.

but does this mean that the inimical person(enemy) should continue to ill affect its neighbor without ceasing to do it once and for all?!, or what is that modern religious tradition whose followers/worshipers prefer to persist in the evildoing as if Jesus Christ said "wrong/harm/afflict your neighbor as you want" instead of "love your neighbor more than yourself"?!

Blessings

 

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but does this mean that the inimical person(enemy) should continue to ill affect its neighbor without ceasing to do it once and for all?!, or what is that modern religious tradition whose followers/worshipers prefer to persist in the evildoing as if Jesus Christ said "wrong/harm/afflict your neighbor as you want" instead of "love your neighbor more than yourself"?!

Blessings

(Not saying these things as if you do not know them already ... ) It is not my part to judge, but to love which is the end of the matter for me; but can man cause it to cease ... history gives us this answer in a clear and resounding no, even Jesus said he did nothing of himself (which is in reference to his soul), or that there is only one who is good.

Can a law (thou shalt not) outside of one make you this ... history again teaches us this is not possible, even if it is a law God spoke for man to keep, or wrote that he might keep it, which only serves to show us how our soul cannot bare the truth of itself, or love/truth is not a product of reasoning (but the ground that the seed is sown in). It was in place so that we could see how our soul (through reasoning based on an image outside of us) rules over us, which begins with a single thought seeded from without.

John said one born of God cannot sin because his seed remains in him ...

 

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In light of the soul/city found ... there is no need of a temple if you are it.

 

[toLiJC]

(Not saying these things as if you do not know them already ... ) It is not my part to judge, but to love which is the end of the matter for me; but can man cause it to cease ... history gives us this answer in a clear and resounding no, even Jesus said he did nothing of himself (which is in reference to his soul), or that there is only one who is good.

Can a law (thou shalt not) outside of one make you this ... history again teaches us this is not possible, even if it is a law God spoke for man to keep, or wrote that he might keep it, which only serves to show us how our soul cannot bare the truth of itself, or love/truth is not a product of reasoning (but the ground that the seed is sown in). It was in place so that we could see how our soul (through reasoning based on an image outside of us) rules over us, which begins with a single thought seeded from without.

John said one born of God cannot sin because his seed remains in him ...

every person who does good is led by the true God, it is enough that a human keep His commandments and He will dwell in/work by it

Matthew 12:10-13 "there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.",

Luke 6:6-36 "there was a man whose right hand was withered. And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him. But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth. Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it? And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other..... I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek(i.e. that treats you badly) offer also the other(i.e. treat it well); and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.",

1 Peter 2:15 "For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:",

2 Peter 1:2-10 "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge(i.e. prudence); And to knowledge(i.e. and to prudence) temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:",

1 John 2:3-4 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.",

1 John 3:21-24 "Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.",

1 John 5:1-3 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

In light of the soul/city found ... there is no need of a temple if you are it.

the body of every human is in principle a temple of the true God, but whether everyone is not an idolater?!

1 Corinthians 6:15-20 "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot(i.e. of an idolatrous/devilish spirituality/religion)? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot(i.e. to an idolatrous/devilish spirituality/religion) is one body(i.e. one body with it)? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication(i.e. flee occultism and idolatry). Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication(i.e. spiritual iniquity) sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

Blessings

 

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the body of every human is in principle a temple of the true God, but whether everyone is not an idolater?!

1 Corinthians 6:15-20 "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot(i.e. of an idolatrous/devilish spirituality/religion)? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot(i.e. to an idolatrous/devilish spirituality/religion) is one body(i.e. one body with it)? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication(i.e. flee occultism and idolatry). Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication(i.e. spiritual iniquity) sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

Blessings

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. (in relationship to the city being our soul, and this being the true light of self we live in).

 

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every person who does good is led by the true God, it is enough that a human keep His commandments and He will dwell in/work by it

Matthew 12:10-13 "there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.",

Luke 6:6-36 "there was a man whose right hand was withered. And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him. But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth. Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it? And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other..... I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek(i.e. that treats you badly) offer also the other(i.e. treat it well); and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.",

1 Peter 2:15 "For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:",

2 Peter 1:2-10 "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge(i.e. prudence); And to knowledge(i.e. and to prudence) temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:",

1 John 2:3-4 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.",

1 John 3:21-24 "Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.",

1 John 5:1-3 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

Blessings

Though Paul said the first commandment with promise was to honor your father and your mother, the first command (according to the OT) to not eat held a promise (as all the commandments of God do) as well, which to this day still stands in reflection of what we receive when we eat of our own reasoning, and by our own measurement, whether something appears good to us, or something appears evil to us.

 

[toLiJC]

Though Paul said the first commandment with promise was to honor your father and your mother, the first command (according to the OT) to not eat held a promise (as all the commandments of God do) as well, which to this day still stands in reflection of what we receive when we eat of our own reasoning, and by our own measurement, whether something appears good to us, or something appears evil to us.

but if the devil had not deceived the first humans, eve and adam, then would they sin, because it is written they sinned only after satan enticed them?!, so here is how not the reasoning underlay the sin, but the spiritual iniquity whose primary cause is the devil(the manifestation of the "darkness")

Blessings

 

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but if the devil had not deceived the first humans, eve and adam, then would they sin, because it is written they sinned only after satan enticed them?!, so here is how not the reasoning underlay the sin, but the spiritual iniquity whose primary cause is the devil(the manifestation of the "darkness")

Blessings

Did God ever say that if you touched the tree you would die ...

The book of Revelation holds a stiff penalty for adding to the words ...

To me Adam who was one in the day they were created and so named represent us, and the garden senario relating to the process in us each individually.

 

[toLiJC]

Did God ever say that if you touched the tree you would die ...

The book of Revelation holds a stiff penalty for adding to the words ...

To me Adam who was one in the day they were created and so named represent us, and the garden senario relating to the process in us each individually.

yes, even the touch with the occult(as it were the human spiritual) can ill affect/prejudice the human, because the occultism is the invisible human spirituality where the human can just be kind of spiritual through occult process/practice such as the so-called transcendental meditation (is), i.e. even without a philosophizing and outer traditions and rites, so/from this viewpoint the occultism can be considered just as a touch albeit more or less ethereal

do not forget the fact that the sin(the spiritual iniquity that secondarily manifests in the form of evilness) entered into the world by one man, and then the death(the (spirit of) deterioration) also entered into the world by the sin, and threatened/affected all humans, so it depends on who commits spiritual iniquity, because the persons that do not commit spiritual iniquity should not be ill affected, but unfortunately even many of them till now turned out to be its victims, however, many such were not causers/perpetrators in this regard, because God will judge mostly the people who had committed spiritual iniquity, while even the infidel and non-occult people will not be considered to have been so sinful, because He is just, or if someone is a carrier of infection to many others, then who will be the man by whom the infection will come for the others, the carrier or the infected thereof?!

Romans 5:12-14 "by one man(i.e. by the generation of the unrighteous spiritual workers/servants) sin(i.e. the devil and the system of (the) spiritual iniquity) entered into the world, and death(i.e. and the (spirit of) deterioration) by sin; and so death passed upon all men(i.e. and so the deterioration affected many humans), for that all have sinned(i.e. because many were seized by the system of (the) spiritual iniquity, some of them as its servants, while others as its victims): For until the law sin was in the world(i.e. because the "darkness" was in the universe even until the entry of the human spirituality/religion): but sin is not imputed when there is no law(i.e. but there is no sin where there is no spiritual iniquity). Nevertheless death(i.e. the deterioration) reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression(i.e. even over people who had not committed spiritual iniquity)",

Matthew 18:1-9 "At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. But whoso shall offend(i.e. spiritually seduce/tempt/mislead) one of these little ones which believe in me(i.e. because they in principle/fundamentally believe in me), it were better for him that a millstone(i.e. that a constraint) were hanged about his neck(i.e. against its spiritual iniquity), and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea(i.e. and that it were led/brought to repentance thence). Woe unto the world(i.e. woe to the kingdom of (the) spiritual iniquity) because of offences(i.e. because it is the primary cause and source of all seductions/temptations/evils)! for it must needs be that offences come(i.e. for it may turn out that the (on)coming of (the) seductions/temptations/evils will be inevitable); but woe to that man(i.e. to those humans) by whom the offence cometh(i.e. by whom the system of (the) spiritual iniquity comes into the world)! Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee(i.e. therefore if you follow/exercise/have a devilish spiritual ability or activity - e.g. yoga/transcendental-meditation), cut them off, and cast them from thee(i.e. forsake it): it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed(i.e. without an occult ability or activity), rather than having two hands(i.e. having (also) an occult ability) or two feet(i.e. or an occult activity) to be cast into everlasting fire. And if thine eye offend thee(i.e. and if you operate through/use/have a devilish spiritual sense/perception - e.g. third eye), pluck it out, and cast it from thee(i.e. forsake it): it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye(i.e. without an occult sense/perception), rather than having two eyes(i.e. having (also) an occult sense/perception) to be cast into hell fire."

Blessings

 

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A cross is to the mind what the waters of baptism are to flesh (though it all be found in consciousness), and the truth that (unending) water reveals depends on where one is at in their journey/perception that a cross begins, even every time it is touched (reflected in the woman’s words to the chosen/anointed/rod, the one above all the other beasts of the field that God had made (it like the tree, or the left to Lot, or the woman on the roof to David looks right, a lamb that speaks as a dragon) (knowing that in the language of God a field is the place, like a garden, where our reasoning/children are sown, it is the kingdom, it is the soul, it is the city, it is our mother to confusion as being first a dividing, or as something less than one, and in the third day (where we are in the morning of) a seeing as he sees, or a being where he is, raised up in his sight (though there has never been a time when it was not like this, which we are being turned to see, that which always was concerning self as it relates to our relationship as one son of one Father).

 

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“I and my Father are one” are words only experience can define.

 

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(A very incomplete thought … ) Jesus constantly brought things to the extreme concerning things that are good and things that are evil with the intent to bring those that heard his words to the end of their own soul, to a forsaking of their own reasoning, or the picking up of their cross, which is shown or seen in the first commandment, or the keeping of the feast of Passover as a feast one is called up to keep, firstly to confusion, or the earthly Jerusalem, then unto the heavenly reality of what the earthly depicted and that we had become ensnared by the image of in our consciousness, or soul. The cross he was hung on was the same truth as the first tree that crucified Adam as the son that he was. It in truth was the lamb that appeared to have been slain (emphasis on appeared to have been) from this foundation of the world (not the earth) or foundation of confusion that divided the inheritance into two sons or fruits of one tree. The confusion still lies over the soul (which perception is now coming to an end) which cannot accept that they have always been one with their father from the beginning (which in type the realm of matter even scientist are now seeing paints for us in the natural the reality of the one truth we came out of), as a place where they were in him, hence the question to Adam, Where art thou, who told you, and have you eaten (3, the number of perception (like Abraham’s three men, or Job’s three friends, or Nebuchadnezzar’s three Hebrew children (which equate to the four rivers (the fourth being a river of confusion (which (like all things) speaks of process in us) of which the three are summed up in) that are parted when they flow out of the garden, or the feast the woman (or our soul) prepares) which are questions of perception.

 

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What’s greater, matter or the consciousness that perceives it is matter …

Some condensed thoughts (in the light of scripture) ...

The mind of Christ is not obtained by thought; it is a different way of be-ing which leads to a new way of thinking, as your eye becomes single, which can be seen in the language of God both in the masculine and feminine…

(as being separate, or as being one (and from what gender one is viewing this from) and what children relate to this (as being a picture of thought within the individual as it is representative of the collective) that unfolds in our perception concerning self in relationship to our Father, mother, brother, sister, son, daughter (etc.) (and what these are in picture form in the language of God)

… or in another picture, self, and a wisdom, that leads to knowledge, that brings understanding (of self (and all the other trees of the garden), and this either as an adversary (or less than one in mind) which is the beloved soul/bride, or the city in the kingdom that the walls of, are broken down …

(a garden not kept (Adam was the gardener, Jesus was also seen as this by the third one of three Mary’s) who were all through the process of time at the foot of the cross, or at the beloved’s feet (Ruth), or not enclosed, in the case of the returning to one in picture form in Ezra’s time) linking itself (as the garden enclosed or breach in the wall repaired and a watch set) in picture with the drinking waters out of thine own cistern, and letting it be your waters that run in your streets, letting them be yours and not another’s’ (as God’s glory is to him in relationship to the individual and the anointing or spirit of truth)

… it is the same kingdom that suffers violence and the violent take it by force, or the soul/kingdom of God that becomes as a garden of cucumbers, a harlot with thoughts less than one even though good and evil (two sons) are two sides of the same coin/tree but when the feminine is enclosed …

(which by, ends all wanderings, strife or labor to be or obtain or gain unity with the father in one’s self, or to become one son)

… in the life that has been granted to be in us as it was in Jesus (as the true image of self (which is the seed or no other foundation that can be laid) as it was in the Father which in the feminine relates to perception as a table we eat from and thereby see all things as which opens the pure language of God, or the language of one as something that turns to us as we are turned to see (all depending upon where one is seeing from in the moment from which is brought to us the multidimensional truth of who we are as a son (no gender implied) and whom only the Father can reveal in us as in which in one form is a kingdom/perception of something freely given out of the good pleasure of his will from the very beginning).

 

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It is not the creation it is the reason behind the creation, which is immenseness of being fulfilled in a moment but experienced forever in forms current thought cannot receive separate from the experience of being this which becomes to us in us as a continual opening of this selfsame one truth (which there are a myriad of words (remembering that a number is not separate from a word) that relate to this, or in question … how many words does it take to reveal one word).

The language of God is such that it gives in picture form (the whole of creation and everything in it) the endless multiplicities of the two pastures (in/out) that are in themselves this as they relate to all other things in the same manner of many sons, but only one son, all this becoming to us forms that continually open to us knew every time we eat of them, or of the (two) tree (s) in it’s pure/whole form, or language/words/leaves/thoughts/fruit/children, or as a table prepared (which even this carries a duality of in the confines of being, and which has no measurement either way of what the table becomes to us, by who is preparing the meal, and what image it is prepared unto.

Until the trees become as one truth in us the serpent is not understood as to why it is chosen.

 

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There is no less and no more (no other payment, no other foundation, no other beginning, no other end (that is forever revealed in the moment (in the moment of one, or place of take no thought as a present truth we walk as one with God in. God does not fill in himself anything less than himself, hence we being in him we find there is no place God has not always filled, no place God is not in, no place God is not at, being relative to us by the measure we put upon it as to where we are and what narrative we drink of, and where we appear in relationship to this by it.

 

[Noxot]

here is a fun video about words:

youtube.com/watch?v=O9ak89FwYeI

 

[Noxot]

There is no less and no more (no other payment, no other foundation, no other beginning, no other end (that is forever revealed in the moment (in the moment of one, or place of take no thought as a present truth we walk as one with God in. God does not fill in himself anything less than himself, hence we being in him we find there is no place God has not always filled, no place God is not in, no place God is not at, being relative to us by the measure we put upon it as to where we are and what narrative we drink of, and where we appear in relationship to this by it.

I like that but what do you say to this:

if evil is the distortion of being into something less than what it could be then how could you say that God fills that which does not exist since if he filled it, it would not be because evil is a lack of a thing. it is not being, it is death. evil can be because without freedom there could be no choice which means there is no option to rebel against God which means no one would murder one another and there would be no such thing as suffering by incomplete realities in a fallen cosmos.

we are in some respects limited souls and we make mistakes. I have done things that I later regret and I can see that God can do good to the evils I create but that does not mean that God desires evil to be or else why would he tell us to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? what 'tree of knowledge of evil' could be when evil can only be by the degeneration of good to a lesser state since pure evil would mean no knowledge and it can't reveal itself due to it only being possible to exist because of the good. but goodness has no need of evil even if evil needs goodness to produce effects of death/corruption within life. or first a truth must be and then you can lie about things but you can't lie as a foundation of reality because the nature of truth is that it is real and the nature of lies is that they are not real.

if the dead cosmos is not beauty then it is ugly. if evils only purpose is its rejection as something unworthy of God then how could you say God is where the evil is at? it points to God and it exist within him in the sense that he allows it to be for the sake of freedom and goodness but he does not want evil to be or he himself would have become evil but he has always prevailed over evil unlike me.

even right now I am in some sense Gods adversary because I prefer to attempt to be honest and real rather than to pretend and be fake. when i'm not satisfied and I can't feel goodness and love and hope or joy it becomes hard to cling to to God because i'm so imperfect and weak and double-minded. the devil would very well not exist if he was completely evil. or lets say he could exist if he was completely evil, this means that God has mercy on him, which by it's very act is torture to the pure evil since all he wants is to not be and yet he has to exist due to mercy and love and hope. maybe the devils very rebellion against God has some iota of goodness in it, no matter how distorted it could become or how covered over and hidden it became ( or something added to goodness 'defects' the perfection of what was given at the beginning ).

and so since the eternal foundation of all being is good it means that evil being by their very half-existence suffer and are tortured by the good. this keeps fallen beings in a condition of hell and weeping and gnashing of teeth. what evil wants is complete destruction, i know this very well because I have recently wanted nothing but to not be and thus God becomes my enemy since he is by his very nature, being and life.

 

[Noxot]

i'm not God. this is Gods plan anyways. why else would he empty himself out? why would he give me my own freedom if only he is? if only God is then it means he only loves himself. so then it means God has no Son. even the Son of God is perfect but not this one, not I who used freedom and blindness to die away from what the tree of life offers. Gods grace is free but it does not mean that he can force his grace on us, because he can't take our own freedom away. and so the source of evil is freedom, not God. God is the source of freedom but he can't be responsible if I make a gun out of the components of the earth (the earth seemingly are components of a dead star) and then I start to kill and murder people with my creation by the distortion of my own being then this is not Gods doing but rather it is my own.

there is potential for me to eternally exist in a state of evil and this the saints uphold because they want to give honor to God and they want others to know that he does indeed give complete freedom. but some have only seen so much, we have not seen what God sees and that is the entire point in some sense. I don't understand the exact processes and desires that God has and how he wants to play around with what he has done and what he has allowed though I know that God desires that the cosmos be beauty, that the fallen and hurt condition should be made whole and partake of Gods eternal kingdom of joy.

but I could choose to hate God for simple making me and making me go through and do things that even if at the first i agreed to I can right now decided I never wanted to be. I can be angry at my own eternal image rooted in God, the very thing that I was before God created me since he says that he has loved me before he even created me. I could hate God for no reason other than because I'm me and I can't see. I could blame God forever at his idea that his children should be free so that they could choose God for themselves. I could hate God for making me have to depend on him for goodness and true being, since he himself has ordered reality in such a way.

God could forever call me back and I could always plug my ears and I could suffer forever but I would get tired of that, but what is love supposed to be? getting tired of suffering and so I run back home? I prefer to rot and if I have to I will always take my stand against God ( by not taking a stand for God or even my well being ), if he really wants to allow such evil realities to exist for the sake of his own pleasure! Oh, but he says it is for his childs sake. well i'm not his child and I don't care about his child. you can't reason with evil because evils very nature is irrational. I can cut myself off from God in some senses because if this was not possible then there would be no such thing as salvation. there would be no such thing as me if I was not but I am here, ruined and maybe I want to be fully ruined rather than restored to a place I don't see or know.