69 weeks unto Messiah the Prince
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It says there was 69 weeks unto Messiah.
It says he is cut off after 69 weeks.
It says he confirms the covenant with many for one week (70th week)
It says sacrifices end mid-week (70th week).
You don't see the connection there? The things in blue are the regarding the same time frame. The things in red are regarding the same thing.
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Wow! I really did enjoy that! I had looked at several sites about this but this one in particular made it very clear and straightforward. I actually feel relieved of a great burden... it was like two coalstones on my eyes, once I realized the deception of a 'Good Friday'.
Our Lord was raised on a Saturday... duh... it only makes sense he would rise on the LORD'S day after all!
Thank you very much, I can now begin looking at many passages correctly (or moreso than before.)
Now would I be right in saying the stoning of Stephen fulfilled the end of the 70th week? Because after that happened, many of the holy people 'scattered'.
I sure do now, it just took the right information to make it 'click' for me.
NOTE: I still don't believe that the armies surrounding Jerusalem in 70AD are the abomination of desolation. I believe the abomination of desolation is something that is placed by armies that will surround Jerusalem in the future.
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Are you also indicating two different events and different participants via color coding?
I think we all agree that Yeshua
- is the Messiah
- is cut off after the 69 weeks
- did confirm his covenant during his 3 1/2 year ministry
- the NEED for sacrificies ending mid-week
so we have 3 1/2 years of confirmation on the seven year covenant that needs to be completed...Can our Lord be confirming the last part of his covenant in the missing 3 1/2 years? Would that also mean that there is more to the covenant than just the sacrifice? Can this mean that those things mentioned in Daniel's prophecy will be fulfilled in the missing 3 1/2 year confirming of covenant?
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Visionary, Jesus told the disciples to only preach toe Gospel to Jews... then after Stephen was stoned, a multitude, and even Paul, began to reach out to Gentiles. So, there's future events indeed... but the 70th weeks aren't any part of the future.
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I think we can agree that the missing 3 1/2 years is here in Dan 12:11 since the sacrifices have not ceased nor been taken away...
Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
1290 days = 3 1/2 years especially if one of those years has the extra 1 month (30 days) which only happens on the Jewish calendar... example.. Adar II, 5768 - Jewish Calendar
Therefore to keep the festivals on track an extra month is added once in about every three years when the 11 day difference grows into a month. This extra month is added after the month of Sh'vat and before the month of Adar that has in it Purim. We call this month Adar I and the Adar that has in it Purim, we call Adar II. In this manner Nissan, the month that has Passover, is pushed back into its rightful place in the sequence of the seasons. Once Nissan is in its proper place, then all the subsequent months and their festivals, Shavuot and Succot, fall into their proper places.
Rosh Chodesh, Jewish Leap Years, Adar II, and Joy
Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
1290 days = 3 1/2 years especially if one of those years has the extra 1 month (30 days) which only happens on the Jewish calendar... example.. Adar II, 5768 - Jewish Calendar
Therefore to keep the festivals on track an extra month is added once in about every three years when the 11 day difference grows into a month. This extra month is added after the month of Sh'vat and before the month of Adar that has in it Purim. We call this month Adar I and the Adar that has in it Purim, we call Adar II. In this manner Nissan, the month that has Passover, is pushed back into its rightful place in the sequence of the seasons. Once Nissan is in its proper place, then all the subsequent months and their festivals, Shavuot and Succot, fall into their proper places.
Rosh Chodesh, Jewish Leap Years, Adar II, and Joy
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Is the daily sacrifice in accord with what Hebrews speaks of
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Prior verse...
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Still learning here, no clue
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Prior verse...
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Still learning here, no clue
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Ohhhh Good verse... Following that thought...Do we have any proof that he has taken away the first to establish the second? Or better yet... would the establish of the second be for ... the actualIs the daily sacrifice in accord with what Hebrews speaks of
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Prior verse...
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Still learning here, no clue
"finish" the transgression
"end" sins
"make reconciliation"
"bring in everlasting righteousness"
"seal up vision and prophecy"
"annoint most Holy"
WHich I think we all can agree that has not yet occurred...
Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
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One thing is for sure.. what God wants to establish isIs the daily sacrifice in accord with what Hebrews speaks of
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Prior verse...
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Still learning here, no clue
Deuteronomy 28:9
The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
Deuteronomy 29:13
That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Isaiah 62:7
And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
Jeremiah 33:2
Thus saith the LORD the maker thereof, the LORD that formed it, to establish it; the LORD is his name;
Ezekiel 16:60
Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
Ezekiel 16:62
And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD:
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I havent clue just been studying this on my own for a few days so Im unqualified to say anything, I havent even found my footing to be able to divide from what was from what will be and avoided studied this all my time as a christian, and its about time I dig in but its weird to go back to kindergarden and feel completely lost on a thing. I cant even rightly divide from what was from what will be or from what is past in according with its wording yet.
The prince thing is throwing me off too because Christ come to his own and they received him not who is known as the "prince of peace" so I wonder about who the people of the prince refers to.Then ofcourse there is Michael your prince aa well as the prince of the power of the air (the spirit which worketh in the children of disobedience)
Im still lost I have so much to work out, and havent got my footing and can only show what pieces I have accumulated to work with.
Im trying to reason in this way, but unsure yet (??)
John 4:34 My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Romans 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
John 19:30... It is finished
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
...and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
Psalm 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Speaking forward...
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Prior verse...
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 8:3 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
....and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
Mat 23:28 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
....even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
1Thes 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
Does this fit?
Ezek 16:38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.
Ezek 16:38 And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.
Ezek 16:40 They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.
Ezek 16:41 And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.
Ezek 16:42 So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.
Isaiah 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
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Or like here??
Dan 9:36 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
John 16:7 I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away...
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
....and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
(???)
Ephes 2:2... according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Luke 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
Ephes 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
...and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
1Cr 10:11...and they are written for our admonition, upon whom **the ends** of the world are come.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
Heres a confirming too...
1Cr 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
....and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, buta body hast thou prepared me:
Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Running it this way....
Dan 9:36 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
John 16:7 I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away...
John 16:7 ... for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Twofold? The confirming of the covenant the cause to cease yet even the testimony is confirmed in us.
1Cr 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
If he confirmed one thing the testimony of Christ is also confirmed in us (His temple) which are builded together in Him... But I dont know, I only be at this a few days I know nothing not even how to put these things together
Im lost
I post the others in sections of which I have so far, but Im not much help I need help
The prince thing is throwing me off too because Christ come to his own and they received him not who is known as the "prince of peace" so I wonder about who the people of the prince refers to.Then ofcourse there is Michael your prince aa well as the prince of the power of the air (the spirit which worketh in the children of disobedience)
Im still lost I have so much to work out, and havent got my footing and can only show what pieces I have accumulated to work with.
Im trying to reason in this way, but unsure yet (??)
John 4:34 My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Romans 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
John 19:30... It is finished
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
...and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
Psalm 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Speaking forward...
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Prior verse...
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 8:3 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
....and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
Mat 23:28 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
....even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
1Thes 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
Does this fit?
Ezek 16:38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.
Ezek 16:38 And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.
Ezek 16:40 They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.
Ezek 16:41 And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.
Ezek 16:42 So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.
Isaiah 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
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Or like here??
Dan 9:36 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
John 16:7 I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away...
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
....and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
(???)
Ephes 2:2... according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Luke 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
Ephes 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
...and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
1Cr 10:11...and they are written for our admonition, upon whom **the ends** of the world are come.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
Heres a confirming too...
1Cr 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
....and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, buta body hast thou prepared me:
Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Running it this way....
Dan 9:36 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
John 16:7 I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away...
John 16:7 ... for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Twofold? The confirming of the covenant the cause to cease yet even the testimony is confirmed in us.
1Cr 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
If he confirmed one thing the testimony of Christ is also confirmed in us (His temple) which are builded together in Him... But I dont know, I only be at this a few days I know nothing not even how to put these things together
Im lost
I post the others in sections of which I have so far, but Im not much help I need help
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Trying to see the whole picture... hoping this would help me...(posted part of this before)
Zach 13:3 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: (Mat 26:56) Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Psalm 17:13....from the wicked, which is thy sword:
Job 16:11 God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.
Mark 14:48 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and with staves to take me?
Acts 6:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Luke 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
Prince...?
Ephes 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
The end unto the end (elsewhere speaks of "ends of")
...and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Even the ungodly are as a flood too
Psalms 18:4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.
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Covenentally?
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
Need help, is this or no? What are Seventy weeks?
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression,
Is it speaking to this or otherwise to it?
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
It appears to be speaking after the same here...
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Only because, the verse following is...
....and to make an end of sins,
Which makes me think of this...
Heb 9:26... but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Which is followed by ...
....and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
Which reminds me again of this...
2Cr 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
And as we have been forgiven our iniquities we are also told to depart from the same through the same ministry of recconcilation
2Titus 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
The following verse after that is this...
...and to bring in everlasting righteousness
Whereas...
Heb 7:19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Showing both the "To bring in" and "the bringing in" (above)
The following verse... not sure here...
.... and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Whereas it says here of the vision and the sealing this...
Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed
But...
Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
No "open vision"?... thus "he opened" their understanding of the vision?
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
He does this...
Luke 24:27 ... he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
And this...
Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
Of which testimony is this...
.... for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Even...
1C1 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
And...
John 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
To the law and to the testimony here...
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Of which Paul is an example in saying...
1Cr 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
Im unsure about this one too...
.... and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
So I only have pieces and not enough to see the full picture or rightly divide it, I have nothing much to contribute to making sense of what I must search out here
Zach 13:3 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: (Mat 26:56) Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Psalm 17:13....from the wicked, which is thy sword:
Job 16:11 God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.
Mark 14:48 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and with staves to take me?
Acts 6:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Luke 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
Prince...?
Ephes 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
The end unto the end (elsewhere speaks of "ends of")
...and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Even the ungodly are as a flood too
Psalms 18:4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.
-------------------------------------------------
Covenentally?
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;
Need help, is this or no? What are Seventy weeks?
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression,
Is it speaking to this or otherwise to it?
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
It appears to be speaking after the same here...
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Only because, the verse following is...
....and to make an end of sins,
Which makes me think of this...
Heb 9:26... but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Which is followed by ...
....and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
Which reminds me again of this...
2Cr 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
And as we have been forgiven our iniquities we are also told to depart from the same through the same ministry of recconcilation
2Titus 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
The following verse after that is this...
...and to bring in everlasting righteousness
Whereas...
Heb 7:19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Showing both the "To bring in" and "the bringing in" (above)
The following verse... not sure here...
.... and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Whereas it says here of the vision and the sealing this...
Isaiah 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed
But...
Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
No "open vision"?... thus "he opened" their understanding of the vision?
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
He does this...
Luke 24:27 ... he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
And this...
Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
Of which testimony is this...
.... for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Even...
1C1 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
And...
John 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
To the law and to the testimony here...
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Of which Paul is an example in saying...
1Cr 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
Im unsure about this one too...
.... and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
So I only have pieces and not enough to see the full picture or rightly divide it, I have nothing much to contribute to making sense of what I must search out here
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Notice this is Paul writing:
1C1 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
And Paul was there when Stephen was stoned... and when Stephen was stoned the gospel went to the Gentiles!
I wouldn't say there is no time in the future for a fulfillment of prophecy, I'd just say that the 70 weeks can't really be reckoned as having anything to do with the end times.
1C1 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
And Paul was there when Stephen was stoned... and when Stephen was stoned the gospel went to the Gentiles!
I wouldn't say there is no time in the future for a fulfillment of prophecy, I'd just say that the 70 weeks can't really be reckoned as having anything to do with the end times.
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Theres so many things to consider bro, even after the similitude of the ark of his testament which is seen in revelation in heaven significant to what was contained in the the ark which was the book of the law and tables of stones (My Fathers commandments I have KEPT) even as the Ark KEPT (even figuritively) the same. Whereas it was said to THEM "thou BRAKEST" in accord to the first covenant/ testament itself being confirmed in Christ, which makes further sense of abolishing IN HIS FLESH the things pertaining to the law of commandments contained in the ordinances. It appears confirmed one way in Jesus Christ and likewise as it speaks of to the law and to the testimony, and the testimony of Christ is confirmed IN you.
The destoying His body (the Temple of God) and raising His body (the temple of God) is significant, seeing the temple in heaven and seen within the temple wherein the Ark of His testament is more clearly understood.
Also the Ark of God (To wit, God was in Christ) was to go over the Jordan before them, and right there at John UNTIL whom the law and the prophets prophesied he says, "behold the Lamb of God" as there come Jesus to John at the Jordan (fulfilling all righteousnes, pertaining to the law) being Him (ofcourse) which taketh away the sins of the world, even those commited under the first covenant/ testament. Even so that the righteousness of the law be fulfilled IN us by the Spirit (according to the NC) which is THE CAUSING of our walk (by the faith which is now revealed) as He said elsehwere "I will CAUSE THEE to WALK"... So, Walk ye in the Spirit. So I suppose its so much easier to catch these things pertaining to covenants, but Im sure about THE CAUSE TO CEASE unless its after the same sorta thing as it pertains to entering His rest or not, as in ceasing to do that which he had no desire towards which again pertain to the sacrifices and offerings (even those of "daily" spoken of)
Still looking at it, Im just all over the place on it
Hoping I can find enough pieces to reflect on before I know where the heck to put them
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Excellent verses.. all part of the picture...I havent clue just been studying this on my own for a few days so Im unqualified to say anything, I havent even found my footing to be able to divide from what was from what will be and avoided studied this all my time as a christian, and its about time I dig in but its weird to go back to kindergarden and feel completely lost on a thing. I cant even rightly divide from what was from what will be or from what is past in according with its wording yet.
The prince thing is throwing me off too because Christ come to his own and they received him not who is known as the "prince of peace" so I wonder about who the people of the prince refers to.Then ofcourse there is Michael your prince aa well as the prince of the power of the air (the spirit which worketh in the children of disobedience)
Im still lost I have so much to work out, and havent got my footing and can only show what pieces I have accumulated to work with.
Im trying to reason in this way, but unsure yet (??)
John 4:34 My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Romans 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
John 19:30... It is finished
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
...and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
Psalm 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Speaking forward...
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Prior verse...
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 8:3 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
....and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
Mat 23:28 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
....even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
1Thes 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
Does this fit?
Ezek 16:38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.
Ezek 16:38 And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.
Ezek 16:40 They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.
Ezek 16:41 And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.
Ezek 16:42 So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.
Isaiah 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
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Or like here??
Dan 9:36 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
John 16:7 I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away...
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
....and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
(???)
Ephes 2:2... according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Luke 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
Ephes 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
...and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
1Cr 10:11...and they are written for our admonition, upon whom **the ends** of the world are come.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
Heres a confirming too...
1Cr 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
....and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, buta body hast thou prepared me:
Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Running it this way....
Dan 9:36 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
John 16:7 I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away...
John 16:7 ... for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Twofold? The confirming of the covenant the cause to cease yet even the testimony is confirmed in us.
1Cr 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
If he confirmed one thing the testimony of Christ is also confirmed in us (His temple) which are builded together in Him... But I dont know, I only be at this a few days I know nothing not even how to put these things together
Im lost
I post the others in sections of which I have so far, but Im not much help I need help
I agree... Who are the "people of the prince"? Are they believers or deceived?
Daniel was studying the Book of Jeremiah and Jeremiah's 70 year prophecy... when he received his vision.. so can this be related to..
Jeremiah 26:11-13 (King James Version)
11Then spake the priests and the prophets unto the princes and to all the people, saying, This man is worthy to die; for he hath prophesied against this city, as ye have heard with your ears.
12Then spake Jeremiah unto all the princes and to all the people, saying, The LORD sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words that ye have heard.
13Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
If so, then could it be that Israel will go back to a monarchy system?
Jeremiah 25:12
And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.
Jeremiah 29:10
For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
Daniel 9:2
In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
which brings to mind.. why is our Lord so specific on the forgiveness..
Matthew 18:22
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
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Israel will indeed move into a monarchy or more of a theocracy. Jesus shall rule from the new Jerusalem!
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Ponder this then..
Revelation 10:11
And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings..
Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
What is the consumation?
Who shall take away the sacrifice?
Daniel 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
...which lends itself to part of the prophecy that the "people of the prince" are not the believers.... as they would not... takes away the daily sacrifice nor pollutes the sanctuary, nor place an abomination of desolation in the temple.
Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
So from the time of the daily sacrifice is taken away to the abomination being set up is 1290 days.. [3 1/2 years with one of the years being Adar 11]
Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Here is a thought...
Malachi 2:11
Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.
what daughter of a strange god?
Luke 16:15
And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Revelation 17:4
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
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Great studying, guys! Very informative!
It is Jesus who fulfills the 70 weeks for Israel and takes away their sin.
Jesus was cut off mid-70th week and the gentiles came in.
Jesus said that Israel would not see Him again until they say, "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".
Romans 11:25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Desolation of Israel until the coming and acceptance of Jesus:
Matthew 23:34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
It is Jesus who fulfills the 70 weeks for Israel and takes away their sin.
Jesus was cut off mid-70th week and the gentiles came in.
Jesus said that Israel would not see Him again until they say, "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".
Romans 11:25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Desolation of Israel until the coming and acceptance of Jesus:
Matthew 23:34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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don't forget...Theres so many things to consider bro, even after the similitude of the ark of his testament which is seen in revelation in heaven significant to what was contained in the the ark which was the book of the law and tables of stones (My Fathers commandments I have KEPT) even as the Ark KEPT (even figuritively) the same. Whereas it was said to THEM "thou BRAKEST" in accord to the first covenant/ testament itself being confirmed in Christ, which makes further sense of abolishing IN HIS FLESH the things pertaining to the law of commandments contained in the ordinances. It appears confirmed one way in Jesus Christ and likewise as it speaks of to the law and to the testimony, and the testimony of Christ is confirmed IN you.
The destoying His body (the Temple of God) and raising His body (the temple of God) is significant, seeing the temple in heaven and seen within the temple wherein the Ark of His testament is more clearly understood.
Also the Ark of God (To wit, God was in Christ) was to go over the Jordan before them, and right there at John UNTIL whom the law and the prophets prophesied he says, "behold the Lamb of God" as there come Jesus to John at the Jordan (fulfilling all righteousnes, pertaining to the law) being Him (ofcourse) which taketh away the sins of the world, even those commited under the first covenant/ testament. Even so that the righteousness of the law be fulfilled IN us by the Spirit (according to the NC) which is THE CAUSING of our walk (by the faith which is now revealed) as He said elsehwere "I will CAUSE THEE to WALK"... So, Walk ye in the Spirit. So I suppose its so much easier to catch these things pertaining to covenants, but Im sure about THE CAUSE TO CEASE unless its after the same sorta thing as it pertains to entering His rest or not, as in ceasing to do that which he had no desire towards which again pertain to the sacrifices and offerings (even those of "daily" spoken of)
Still looking at it, Im just all over the place on it
Hoping I can find enough pieces to reflect on before I know where the heck to put them
Revelation 11:19
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail
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That would explain the "blindness in part"... Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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