Could we be healed today

I ask erwin to add that, but if you ever want to chat with me I have three different instant messengers

"But all sickness is atributed to us living outside of God's "

Well that's just wrong Sickness is not from living outside of God's will at all, and there are many many biblical examples of it including and most noteablty John 9.

"We are hammoring you with scripture after scripture, and all you can do is give an opinion that isn't even backed up in the bible. "

LOL. I have backed up everything I have said with scripture, shown you how the places you quote are talking about spiritual health.

"If you looked at the "answered prayers" thread you would see some of my many, many testimonies of healings and other answered prayers."

And I can show you as equally many people that recieve a no answer. God heals some and not others, its call part of his plan. They are in God's will also.


"You know of people who die of cancer and are perfectly in the will of God?
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More importantly how can YOU know they are not. In the bible, it says they are.

"Do you know peoples hearts?"

Again, in the bible it says

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"But all sickness is atributed to us living outside of God's "

Well that's just wrong Sickness is not from living outside of God's will at all, and there are many many biblical examples of it including and most noteablty John 9.

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It is true because the only way to remain in the will of God is to see what the father is doing, like Jesus did, or at least to seek His will on a daily basis.  Therefore even the blind man of John 9 was outside of the will of God, untill the will of God walked up to him and healed him. 

"We are hammoring you with scripture after scripture, and all you can do is give an opinion that isn't even backed up in the bible. "

LOL. I have backed up everything I have said with scripture, shown you how the places you quote are talking about spiritual health.

"If you looked at the "answered prayers" thread you would see some of my many, many testimonies of healings and other answered prayers."

And I can show you as equally many people that recieve a no answer. God heals some and not others, its call part of his plan. They are in God's will also.

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You are assuming that they are in God's will based on their testimony, unless of course, God came down and spoke to you saying, "these people are sick only because I want them to be sick and they are within my perfect will."  Anything short of that is just your opinion. 

"You know of people who die of cancer and are perfectly in the will of God?
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More importantly how can YOU know they are not. In the bible, it says they are.

"Do you know peoples hearts?"

Again, in the bible it says

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The real answer that you fail to speak is that you have no idea where their faith is except what they tell you.  You have no idea whether they are in the will of God, except what they tell you.  You don't really know.  Even if it was you, you would not know because man doesn't really know his own heart.  So only God knows.  Your not claiming to be God are you?  Or has He given you special revelation into the hearts of these men?

"It is true because the only way to remain in the will of God is to see what the father is doing, like Jesus did, or at least to seek His will on a daily basis. "

LOL no, Jesus plainly said it was the will of God he was blind up until that point snup. YOu can be sick and be in the will of God. There are many biblical examples of that as well.

"Anything short of that is just your opinion. "

Ahh..so now you're the one questioning people's testimony? Hmm......


"You don't really know. "

Yes, I do, its stated biblically, most clearly in John 9, something you don't want to read.

And I can show you as equally many people that recieve a no answer.

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Louis,
Having faith topward God means knowing that He says yes. You have always missed this.

Heb 11:
6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

For some reason you cannot see this Louis...

Beyond this you have to know what His will is before you pray. He never says no Louis. NEVER! If you think He says no sometimes, then it is only because you do not know His will in the matter.

This verese implies that if you do not know His will in the matter, then He does not even hear you:

1Jo 5:
14  And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:


If it is His will, then He always hears. When He hears, He always says yes..this is why we have this confidence, or "faith."

1Jn 5:
15  And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

If you do not have confidence(or faith), it is only because you do not know His will. So how do you know Louis? How do you find out His will for you so that you can know He hears you and get this confidence(or faith)? You cannot go by feelings or voices or by guessing. You always find His will in the word. You have to have a definitive "yes" when you pray or He does not even hear you. You cannot go into it with an "I don't know." He will not hear that prayer because that is not faith and prayer without faith is just words into the air. "I don't know" or "if it is your will" are statements that indicate you do not know what His will is.  If you do not know His will you cannot pray with confidence(or faith).

This whole "plan for you life" thing is not even in the scriptures. This is some holdover from a 70s failed theology. His "plan for your life" is to believe the gospel, have faith toward God, and have fellowship within the context of the NT gospel. He is not some Greek/Roman god or goddess who is playing chess with your life and doing things to you to see how you react. His "plan" for you is the same as His plan for me, Quaffer, Sunstone, Andrew, SnuP, and every other living human. There is one plan, one way, one gospel, that we all believe. Anything else is mere theism.

 

 

 

 

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Yes, I do, its stated biblically, most clearly in John 9, something you don't want to read.

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Who doesn't read who's posts? I picked that John 9 apart and showed you, that you were wrong. I can prove it because I ask you questions on the verse, and you refuse to answer them and all the other questions I have been asking.

If John 9 was so clear then why don't you answer my questions?
If you were so right, then why don't you answer my other questions?

3“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

All sin and sickness has happened so that the work of God might be displayed in our lives. It is a general answer. Its the same answer as why did God give us the law if He new that we could not fulfill it.

Therefore anysickness that comes my way is there so that the work of God might be displayed in my life. That work is healing. That does not mean that God purposed that I, SnuP would be sick this day. Rather it means that God has allowed satan to come in where ever he is welcomed and bring sickness. And God allows this so that His work might be displayed. That of concoring, and healing. Therefore God desires to heal all men so that His work can be displayed rather then the work of the devil (sickness is the work of the devil).

Notice that Jesus does not say who caused the sickness to happen. He just said that it happened. It also does not say that it was God's will, But it does say that God desired to use it for His purposes. It also says that what ever was the real cause (sin, satan), God allowed it so that His work of overcoming the cause (sin, satan) could be displayed.

You know Louis, I really like this scripture.

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I mentions having CFS for 8 years now. I have prayed for Gods healing all this time. I've had people praying for me and the laying on of hands. I've laid in bed in so much agony that I had actually asked God just to take me off this earth. But for those of us needing Gods healing, could we be keeping it on ourselves? I've asked God about this but never received an answer. maybe there is something we need to do for him or something we haven't done that we were suppose to and have just become blind to it. I know that pride and unforgiveness is a big factor in this at times.But for those who have humbled themselves to God and have forgiven....could we still be out of grace with the Lord someplace? I pray about it and I fast when I'm lead to...maybe he's telling me what I'm to do and I'm just not hearing. If I am letting this illness stay on me for not being where God wants me, could I be healed this very day if I could see where I'm in the wrong with God?

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Hello,

Yes I believe that God heals us even today just like in the biblical days. Sometimes God heals us through doctors and medicine though. I don't know much about CFS, but are you taking medicine for it? Or are you believing for a healing without medicine? Perhaps God can heal you by leading you to the right doctor, or by you getting the right medicine for it. Some healings are over a slow process and not overnight and the right medicine is the first step. But know for sure that your prayers will not go unanswered and if God said He will heal you then He will.


Skye Leigh

I guess Benny Hinn only heals subjectively too.

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I guess Benny Hinn only heals subjectively too.

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I'm not sure what you mean by the above statement but . . .God is the One Who heals, not Benny Hinn.  Benny Hinn can only do what God has directed him to do. 

For whatever reason a person does or does not receive their healing it is not Benny's doing. 

 

"Having faith topward God means knowing that He says yes. You have always missed this. "

No, I have not. I just realize with much maturnity that he says no sometimes.


"for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. "

I know this exactly!! As christ said himself, store treasures UP IN HEAVEN. That's where the reward you have is stored and that's the reward its talking about. Stop being so earthly!!!! Be kingdom minded!


"You always find His will in the word. "

I agree Hobs, that's why God let me to the book of Ecc and specifically to that verse 7:14 God showed me very specifically that sometimes he says no to healing. He then reinforced this in the story of Joseph.


"If you were so right, then why don't you answer my other questions?"

I have and I did. John 9 shows that the person's sickness was ONLY because God wanted it there, not because of HIS SIN, nor HIS PARENTS SIN.



"Therefore anysickness that comes my way is there so that the work of God might be displayed in my life. That work is healing. "

Nope Snup, that is your OPINION. The work God does in your life is revieling himself to others through you, and sometimes through your faithfulness when he says no to healing.


"It also does not say that it was God's will"

Snup, you're not only just not reading the text now, but you're twisting it. It does say it was God's will SO THAT his glory would be shown. Just like paul, just like anything that bad happens to you, you praise him through it and keep going. It amazes me that you just don't get it. In Daniel 9 those teenagers GOT IT exactly, though you several adults can't. It is amazing. EVEN IF HE DOESN'T, we will still praise him. He sometimes says no, that's just simply the truth.


"For whatever reason a person does or does not receive their healing it is not Benny's doing. "

Probably because God said no

Loiusbooth I am going to keep at you with these questions, until you face them.

Where did Job pray?
What does the "We" mean in John Chapter 9? Didn't Jesus heal that man in John chapter 9?

Daniel thought that he might die for his faith. There is a time to be born and a time to die, this had nothing to do with any healing. This has everything to do with Daniel standing on God's word and not moving, even if it cost him his life. And it is funny that you mention this story, because it is the one that a pastor used for healing. He called it bulldog faith.
I stand on this word.

[Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer offered in faith "will" restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.] James 14-15

It talked about sickness and sin, so you would not be confused and think it was for just sin.

[If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it? May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, "that thou mightest be justified in thy words, and migtest prevail when thou art judged."]

That not only has to do with salvation, but with everything, and plan that God has for you.
Not every prayer that I offer up gets manifested, but that doesn't mean God isn't answering them, or that I will stay sick even unto death.
But what it means is, I know where I stand, and how much more I don't know. This helps motivate me to be like Paul and "desire spiritual gifts".

You drink the milk, which is the word, but now it is time for meat.
What is meat?

NOW STOP AVIODING QUESTIONS, YOU ONLY MAKE YOUR FAITH SEEM WEAK BY PICKING AND CHOOSING QUESTIONS TO ANSWER.

The scripture does not say that God caused the sickness. And to say that He did is streching the scriptures. Because it does not say who caused the sickness it can not be thought that it was God's will. If and that's a big if, if it did say that God caused the sickness then and only then could you say that it was God's will.

Originally posted by SUNSTONE
Loiusbooth I am going to keep at you with these questions, until you face them.

Where did Job pray?
What does the "We" mean in John Chapter 9? Didn't Jesus heal that man in John chapter 9?

Daniel thought that he might die for his faith. There is a time to be born and a time to die, this had nothing to do with any healing. This has everything to do with Daniel standing on God's word and not moving, even if it cost him his life. And it is funny that you mention this story, because it is the one that a pastor used for healing. He called it bulldog faith.
I stand on this word.

[Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer offered in faith "will" restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.] James 14-15

It talked about sickness and sin, so you would not be confused and think it was for just sin.

[If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it? May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, "that thou mightest be justified in thy words, and migtest prevail when thou art judged."]

That not only has to do with salvation, but with everything, and plan that God has for you.
Not every prayer that I offer up gets manifested, but that doesn't mean God isn't answering them, or that I will stay sick even unto death.
But what it means is, I know where I stand, and how much more I don't know. This helps motivate me to be like Paul and "desire spiritual gifts".

You drink the milk, which is the word, but now it is time for meat.
What is meat?

NOW STOP AVIODING QUESTIONS, YOU ONLY MAKE YOUR FAITH SEEM WEAK BY PICKING AND CHOOSING QUESTIONS TO ANSWER.

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SUNSTONE

You'll find that this particular poster is the Great Evader.  He tries to convice us he's answering but he never does.  In his opinion certain Bibles are wrong because they don't word it the way he thinks it should be.  He's also implied that Strong's Concordance is wrong and now is saying the dictionary difinition is wrong.

 

 

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SUNSTONE

You'll find that this particular poster is the Great Evader.  He tries to convice us he's answering but he never does.  In his opinion certain Bibles are wrong because they don't word it the way he thinks it should be.  He's also implied that Strong's Concordance is wrong and now is saying the dictionary difinition is wrong.

 

 

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Like the boxer, EVADOR Holyfeild!!!

J/K Having a little fun bro.

Originally posted by SUNSTONE
Like the boxer, EVADOR Holyfeild!!!

J/K Having a little fun bro.

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I'm blonde and it took me a moment, but I got it . . .Oooh you're bad . . .funny though, very funny 

"Where did Job pray?"

In reference to what? What I think is really funny is none of you read Job..

"He replied, "You are talking likea foolish women. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?" In all this, Job did not sin in what he said."

Seems pretty clear to me. Just reaffirms Ecc 7:14

"There is a time to be born and a time to die, this had nothing to do with any healing. "

Statements were made that if you don't die from old age you're not in God's will, which is a bunch of balony. You can be sick and be perfectly in God's will.

"It talked about sickness and sin, so you would not be confused and think it was for just sin.
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LOL. yes you're very confused, its not talking about sickness at all, and you will never ever find someone who is honest with themselves and the text that tells you any different then I am.

"That not only has to do with salvation, but with everything, and plan that God has for you."

I totally agree, it shows me that you need to accept the truthful GODLY teaching that God can say no, but he will take care of you, but that DOESN'T mean he will heal you.

"You drink the milk, which is the word, but now it is time for meat.
What is meat?"

Let me answer you as God did to Job, "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words withough knowledge?"

i answered your questions long ago, Just like God did with Job. You're just unwilling, in your stubborness to accept the answers.

"The scripture does not say that God caused the sickness. "

Ecclesiastes 7:14 "When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God has made the one as well as the other..."

you're wrong snup and the bible even says you're wrong EXPLICITLY.

"In his opinion certain Bibles are wrong because they don't word it the way he thinks it should be. "

LOL, no, you didn't show me the word healing. You said raising the dead to life means healing, but no dictionary in exsistance will agree with you. Sorry, yet again quaf, you were just wrong and wanted to twist scripture to get it to agree with you. You shouldn't do that.

I say agian, where did Job pray?
I have read the book many times, atleast 4 if not 5 or 6 times.
Not praying, is not a sin. The bible says you have not because you ask not.

I never said anything about dying of old age. I don't know much about demonic sickness. I am not saying they are or aren't, but God hasn't taught me, so I shall wait for that time. But I do know is there are gifts that should be used. You are not useing them at all.

[is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray overhim, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, AND if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.]

You say I am confused, tell me what the definition of sick is?
Tell me what is the gift of healings, and the gift of miracles are?

God did allow the devil to stike Job with these problems, but it was for a very, very short time. Tell me how the story ends, does Job stay in his condition? Did he die that way?
Job said, I know you can do all things. God restored Job after he prayed for his friends, then Job lived a very long and healthy full life afterwards.
Do you really think that God wants to keep you or anyone else in fear, or pain for long periods of time?

What does the word "We" mean in John chapter 9. Didn't Jesus heal that man?

Sunstone,

He's . . .

 

SHADOW BOXING!!!!

"I say agian, where did Job pray?"

In terms of what??? there are many times he cried out to God. that's what praying is. What's really funny is if you had read the book you would see that

Let me find a verse just to apese your rallying call for quaf it seems..LOL..

Job 12:4
"I have become a laughingstock to my friends though I called upon God and he answered me-a mere laughingstock, though righteous and blameless."