The seventh day Sabbath was "made for mankind"

[BobRyan]

Christ said -- Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for mankind" (general statement for all mankind - not anecdotal)

Matt 4 Jesus said "mankind shall not live by bread alone" -- does not mean "one single individual Jewish man shall not live by bread alone"
(general statement - not anecdotal)

Even in the OT -- for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23 (general statement applicable to all mankind "from Sabbath to Sabbath"- not anecdotal)

Gen 2:2-3 a key part of the Sabbath commandment is given to mankind - Adam and Eve
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
(general statement applicable to the making of mankind and the Sabbath - not anecdotal)

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (Sanctified it)

In full that is -
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" (general statement- not anecdotal)
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" (general statement for saints - not anecdotal)
1 John 5:3-4 "This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" (general statement for saints - not anecdotal)
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:15 "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" (general statement for saints - not anecdotal)

James 2:10 -- to break one is to break them all

Speaking of what scripture calls "The TEN Commandments" in Deut 4 and Deut 5 - God spoke the TEN and added no more - as directly thundered from Sinai

Paul says this of God's Law "Honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-3

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No wonder then that -
1. Every reference to a weekly Sabbath day of worship in the NT -- is the seventh day - Sabbath.
2. Paul preached the gospel in the synagogue to gentiles and Jews - "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4
3. Gentiles in the synagogue ask for more gospel preaching to be given to them "The NEXT Sabbath" Acts 13
4. Every reference to the term "Every Sabbath" in the book of Acts - is a reference to the 7th day.
5.Notice that God worded His Sabbath Commandment - as if every detail mattered

The New Covenant of Heb 8 and of Jer 31:31-34 writes the LAW of God on the heart.

 

[BobRyan]

Mark 7:7-13 says God's Law cannot be edited by traditions of man
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Denzel Washington joins in on this topic on youtube?

===============And of course -

Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul
[*]many others as well..

 

[Clare73]

Christ said -- Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for mankind"
Matt 4 Jesus said "mankind shall not live by bread alone" -- does not mean "one single individual Jewish man shall not live by bread alone"
Even in the OT -- for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23
Gen 2:2-3 a key part of the Sabbath commandment is given to mankind - Adam and Eve
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (Sanctified it)

In full that is -
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
1 John 5:3-4 "This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:15 "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"

James 2:10 -- to break one is to break them all

Speaking of what scripture calls "The TEN Commandments" in Deut 4 and Deut 5 - God spoke the TEN and added no more - as directly thundered from Sinai

Paul says this of God's Law "Honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-3

==========================

No wonder then that -
1. Every reference to a weekly Sabbath day of worship in the NT -- is the seventh day - Sabbath.
2. Paul preached the gospel in the synagogue to gentiles and Jews - "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4
3. Gentiles in the synagogue ask for more gospel preaching to be given to them "The NEXT Sabbath" Acts 13

Because that is when and where the Jews gathered.

4. Every reference to the term "Every Sabbath" in the book of Acts - is a reference to the 7th day.

The New Covenant of Heb 8 and of Jer 31:31-34 writes the LAW of God on the heart.

"If Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken about another day. There remains then a Sabbath rest for the people of God," (Heb 4:8-9) which can still be entered by faith in his Son, where we rest from our own work to save and in his work which saves to the uttermost.

 

[BobRyan]

1. Every reference to a weekly Sabbath day of worship in the NT -- is the seventh day - Sabbath.
2. Paul preached the gospel in the synagogue to gentiles and Jews - "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4
3. Gentiles in the synagogue ask for more gospel preaching to be given to them "The NEXT Sabbath" Acts 13

Because that is when and where the Jews gathered.

I see so in your view Paul preached to the gentiles every Sabbath in Acts 18 because " that is when Jews gathered"??.

And Gentiles themselves wait for Jews to leave the synagogue on that Sabbath in Acts 13, then ask Paul for more Gospel preaching to be given to them "the NEXT Sabbath" -- because "that is when Jews gathered"??

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

And then - on that next Sabbath - almost the entire gentile town shows up for worship - "because that is when Jews gathered"???

 

[BobRyan]

Because that is when and where the Jews gathered.

"If Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken about another day.

Joshua could not give a commandment whereby the lost would be saved - not in the OT and no such commandment exists in the NT either.

The Law was never given as a means of salvation. A lost person does not become saved "by not taking God's name in vain".

That is not an argument in favor of Christians taking God's name in vain -- obviously.

A lost person does not find Gospel rest - by "honoring parents" or by any act of merit. Rather they must accept the Gospel, be born again, experience the New Birth - under the Gal 1:6-9 "one Gospel" that is promoted from Gen 3 to Rev 22.

There remains then a Sabbath rest for the people of God," (Heb 4:8-9)

Amen. it remains.

 

[DamianWarS]

No wonder then that -
1. Every reference to a weekly Sabbath day of worship in the NT -- is the seventh day - Sabbath.
2. Paul preached the gospel in the synagogue to gentiles and Jews - "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4
3. Gentiles in the synagogue ask for more gospel preaching to be given to them "The NEXT Sabbath" Acts 13
4. Every reference to the term "Every Sabbath" in the book of Acts - is a reference to the 7th day.

These are all anecdotal. The goals of these accounts are not to elevate the Sabbath, they are circumstantial. Paul's motivations to preach on the Sabbath are his (and he felt it not important enough to share) I have suspicions but the reality is we don't know so we can't responsibly form a doctrine surrounding it when the scriptures don't tell us this information.

Sabbath is ultimately about spiritual rest not physical rest. The Torah is very physical but carries spiritual depth in every word and it is the spiritual that has greater purpose.

Christ tells us that the Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So what then is the Sabbath that it was made for man? Unpacked in the spiritual the sabbath is a salvation metaphor. The 4th shows us this as well because it's just not us who rest but even the slaves and animals and all those under our care. The thing with animals (or anyone under someone) is they have no authority to rest and it must be given to them by one with authority. Read the 4th again, the context is given to the heads of the households which is then carried to household to household. These are the masters of the families who have authority to give rest. And likewise only with authority may give us spiritual rest. This is a powerful salvation metaphor.

The creation account shows us this as well. Light into darkness is a salvation event, we all start in unformed darkness and light is spoken into us. It then starts a transformation process that when complete usher in rest. Another powerful salvation metaphor.

On the surface the 4th is about physical rest, creation is also about the physical but these account have vast spiritual depth. Sabbath is a spiritual concept, it is the antithesis and answer to the unformed darkness before light was spoken. Shown in a salvation lens Christ saying the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath reveals a whole new depth well beyond the physical or mere law. Showing that Salvation was a designed and curated for man so that we may have restored relationship with God.

But by whose authority are we given this rest? By Christ's since in the same account he reveals he is Lord of the Sabbath. Lord is a title of authority, and Christ has authority over the Sabbath, he is the one that does a work in us, he is the one that completes us and calls us Holy, he is the one that gives us rest.

 

[Clare73]

Joshua could not give a commandment whereby the lost would be saved - not in the OT and no such commandment exists in the NT either.
The Law was never given as a means of salvation. A lost person does not become saved "by not taking God's name in vain".
That is not an argument in favor of Christians taking God's name in vain -- obviously.
A lost person does not find Gospel rest - by "honoring parents" or by any act of merit. Rather they must accept the Gospel, be born again, experience the New Birth - under the Gal 1:6-9 "one Gospel" that is promoted from Gen 3 to Rev 22.
Amen. it remains.

Indeed. . .in Christ our Sabbath wherein we rest full-time (Heb 4:4) from our own works to save and in his work which saves completely (Heb 4:8-11).

 

[BobRyan]

Indeed. . .in Christ our Sabbath

There is no "Christ is our Sabbath" in scripture - but for sure His disciples , following Him day and night , understood His Matt 7 statement that doing as He commanded was the way to show Love for God.

No wonder John wrote "this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments".

Jesus taught us to call God "our Father" yet we still have the commandment "honor your father and mother" where actually showing respect to your earthly father and mother -- remains as His command.

wherein we rest full-time (Heb 4:4) from our own works to save and in his work which saves completely (Heb 4:8-11).

Heb 4 does not turn God into the enemy of His own commandment.
Rather as we see in Matt 5 He magnifies rather than delete/downsizes His commands.

 

[Clare73]

There is no "Christ is our Sabbath" in scripture - but for sure His disciples , following Him day and night , understood His Matt 7 statement that doing as He commanded was the way to show Love for God.

There is if you understand Heb 4:8-11, where the Sabbath rest to be entered by those Hebrew Christians is gospel salvation rest.

 

[BobRyan]

Christ said -- Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for mankind"

Matt 4 Jesus said "mankind shall not live by bread alone" -- does not mean "one single individual Jewish man shall not live by bread alone"

Even in the OT -- for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23

Gen 2:2-3 a key part of the Sabbath commandment is given to mankind - Adam and Eve
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (Sanctified it)

In full that is -
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
1 John 5:3-4 "This IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments"
Ex 20:6 "Love Me and KEEP My Commandments"
John 14:15 "If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"

James 2:10 -- to break one is to break them all

Speaking of what scripture calls "The TEN Commandments" in Deut 4 and Deut 5 - God spoke the TEN and added no more - as directly thundered from Sinai

Paul says this of God's Law "Honor your father and mother is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-3

==========================

No wonder then that -
1. Every reference to a weekly Sabbath day of worship in the NT -- is the seventh day - Sabbath.
2. Paul preached the gospel in the synagogue to gentiles and Jews - "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4
3. Gentiles in the synagogue ask for more gospel preaching to be given to them "The NEXT Sabbath" Acts 13
4. Every reference to the term "Every Sabbath" in the book of Acts - is a reference to the 7th day.

The New Covenant of Heb 8 and of Jer 31:31-34 writes the LAW of God on the heart.

These are all anecdotal.

They are scripture. God's Word.

And the NT record is one of affirmation of the seventh day Sabbath "made for mankind".

We see BOTH the Sabbath and mankind "made" in Gen 1:3 - 2:4

Today it is far more popular to simply imagine ways to ignore it.

The goals of these accounts are not to elevate the Sabbath

On the contrary - they elevate it as God's Commandment and call for the saints to "keep God's commandments and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

There is nothing in the Bible of the form "greater rebellion is greater worship" - I think we all can see that.

Paul's motivations to preach on the Sabbath are his (and he felt it not important enough to share)

It is not Paul asking for "more Gospel preaching" to be scheduled for gentiles "the next Sabbath" in Acts 13 -- it is gentile new-converts to Christianity doing that after hearing Paul's sermon in Acts 13. And of course - Paul in full agreement as the chapter shows.

We don't see Paul saying "Jesus said - if you Love Me do not actually KEEP My commandments just do it in a symbolic spiritual sense but not actually obey the Word spoken"

Details matter even when they go against someone's suggestions.

Sabbath is ultimately about spiritual rest not physical rest.

Divorcing one from the other in the Sabbath Commandment is 100% opposed to the actual test of God's Word on the Sabbath commandment in Ex 20:8-11

It is like saying "honor your father and mother but not really , literally in this life - but spiritually, thinking good thoughts without actually doing anything". That was never the way to obey any of the TEN.

We see that ignore-god's-command tried and condemned in Mark 7:7-13

But by whose authority are we given this rest? By Christ's since in the same account he reveals he is Lord of the Sabbath. Lord is a title of authority, and Christ has authority over the Sabbath, he is the one that does a work in us, he is the one that completes us and calls us Holy, he is the one that gives us rest.

So when Christ said "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" we as born again Christians under the New Covenant - hear and obey for Christ said "this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:3-4.

It is not of the form "the Love of God is to downsize/delete His Commandment when you see it"

Rather "Love Me and KEEP My commandments" Ex 20:6
"if you LOVE Me then KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His commandments" 1 John 5:3-4

Not once do we see "Love for God is shown by ignoring what His commandments actually says and spiritualizing it away" as God in some way "said it wrong".


One has to engage in a lot of mental/spiritual gymnastic to try and get the details in God's Word to mean "don't keep the 7th day Sabbath Holy in real life -- that is the best way to show Love for God".

Notice how God actually worded His Sabbath Commandment - as if every detail mattered.

Ex 20:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy (set apart, sanctified, dedicated to holy use).

 

[BobRyan]

There is no "Christ is our Sabbath" in scripture - but for sure His disciples , following Him day and night , understood His Matt 7 statement that doing as He commanded was the way to show Love for God.

There is if you understand Heb 4:8-11,

apparently you found no quote saying "Christ is our Sabbath"

where the Sabbath rest to be entered by those Hebrew Christians is gospel salvation rest.

The Sabbath points as a symbol to ultimate rest - but it existed as a holy day in Gen 2:1-3 before sin while mankind was sinless and perfect -- keeping the Sabbath. It's primary function was not to promise forgiveness of sin - but to bring man to a weekly time of rest when engaging in a life blessed/productive work.

 

[Clare73]

apparently you found no quote saying "Christ is our Sabbath"

And I'm also still looking for the quote saying, "God is sovereign."

The Sabbath points as a symbol to ultimate rest -

That ultimate rest from our own work to save and in Jesus' work which saves completely.

but it existed as a holy day in Gen 2:1-3 before sin while mankind was sinless and perfect -- keeping the Sabbath. It's primary function was not to promise forgiveness of sin - but to bring man to a weekly time of rest when engaging in a life blessed/productive work.

 

[Bro.T]

Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, people avoid it like a plague!

Let’s take a look and see what Jesus did when he came in the flesh, And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16) Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday).

 

[BobRyan]

And I'm also still looking for the quote saying, "God is sovereign."

So maybe we differ there - I am ok with that. I believe He is sovereign.

But that is not like saying "I believe God's commandments don't matter" no matter that I have not support for that statement in scripture.

That ultimate rest from our own work to save and in Jesus' work which saves completely.

I don't object to rest in heaven, rest in the New Earth, rest when we turn from being lost to saved etc.

But the idea that any of that deletes a commandment - does not hold up well when compared to scripture.

God is "our Father in Heaven" in Matt 6 -- but we still must literally "Honor your father and mother" as Paul says in Eph 6:1-3.

No wonder gentiles that first hear Paul's gospel in Acts 13 on the Sabbath, in the synagogues - ask for "more Gospel preaching" to be given to them "the next Sabbath". And Paul agrees.

What Paul does not say is "we do that every day" and he does not say "that will happen tomorrow on week day one"

 

[BobRyan]

Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, people avoid it like a plague!

interesting observation.

And some will even argue that avoiding that commandment is exactly what God wanted all along.

Let’s take a look and see what Jesus did when he came in the flesh, And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16) Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday).

amen

 

[DamianWarS]

They are scripture. God's Word.

And the NT record is one of affirmation of the seventh day Sabbath "made for mankind".

We see BOTH the Sabbath and mankind "made" in Gen 1:3 - 2:4

Today it is far more popular to simply imagine ways to ignore it.

Indeed it is scripture and you are using it anecdotally

On the contrary - they elevate it as God's Commandment and call for the saints to "keep God's commandments and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

Again, anecdotal (and conflating)

There is nothing in the Bible of the form "greater rebellion is greater worship" - I think we all can see that.

?

is not Paul asking for "more Gospel preaching" to be scheduled for gentiles "the next Sabbath" in Acts 13 -- it is gentile new-converts to Christianity doing that after hearing Paul's sermon in Acts 13. And of course - Paul in full agreement as the chapter shows.

We don't see Paul saying "Jesus said - if you Love Me do not actually KEEP My commandments just do it in a symbolic spiritual sense but not actually obey the Word spoken"

Details matter even when they go against someone's suggestions.

Details do matter, and you only have enough to make an anecdotal argument at best

Divorcing one from the other in the Sabbath Commandment is 100% opposed to the actual test of God's Word on the Sabbath commandment in Ex 20:8-11

It is like saying "honor your father and mother but not really , literally in this life - but spiritually, thinking good thoughts without actually doing anything". That was never the way to obey any of the TEN.

We see that ignore-god's-command tried and condemned in Mark 7:7-13

The 5th commandment is morally based, specifically honor driven. The 4th is ceremonial based. You're also conflating again in Mark.

So when Christ said "remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" we as born again Christians under the New Covenant - hear and obey for Christ said "this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:3-4.

It is not of the form "the Love of God is to downsize/delete His Commandment when you see it"

Rather "Love Me and KEEP My commandments" Ex 20:6
"if you LOVE Me then KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His commandments" 1 John 5:3-4

Not once do we see "Love for God is shown by ignoring what His commandments actually says and spiritualizing it away" as God in some way "said it wrong".


One has to engage in a lot of mental/spiritual gymnastic to try and get the details in God's Word to mean "don't keep the 7th day Sabbath Holy in real life -- that is the best way to show Love for God".

Notice how God actually worded His Sabbath Commandment - as if every detail mattered.

Ex 20:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy (set apart, sanctified, dedicated to holy use).

Do you reject the spiritual meaning of the Sabbath? Which is greater the spiritual or the physical? (You're also conflating again)

Why the need to dissect law? does not Christ tells us how to keep law that the NT authors affirm? Keep Christ's law and its outflow will always be lawful practice, even on the Sabbath. I there was doupt of how to apply it to the Sabbath Christ's happens to confirm that doing good on the Sabbath is still lawful (Mat12:12)

 

[pasifika]

Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, people avoid it like a plague!

Let’s take a look and see what Jesus did when he came in the flesh, And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16) Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday).

in the same way, as you cannot claim to keep the Sabbath just because you go to church on that day.If failing to uphold ALL other commandments then also a fail to keep the Sabbath as commanded. It's either All or Nothing! Look within ourselves first before we start looking at others.

Great day.

 

[BobRyan]

Indeed it is scripture and you are using it anecdotally

my quote of scripture that your POV finds inconvenient is not an issue that I have to adjust to.
I continue to affirm Mark 2:27 and Acts 13 and Acts 18:4 and Is 66:23 and ... though many find those texts inconvenient.

The 5th commandment is morally based, specifically honor driven.

as are all Ten for God said "Love Me and keep my Commandments" in Ex 20:6 and as Christ in John 14:15
So much so that 1 John 3:4 says "Sin IS transgression of God's Law"

But that is just about the time some wish to rephrase is to "only if it is law I am willing to comply with"
Using such subjective standards is not a reliable method of Bible study.

The 4th is ceremonial based.

Not according to scripture.

IN actual scripture we see no ceremony at all in Gen 2:1-4 when Sabbath was sanctified - set apart for man.
In Mark 2:27 Jesus affirms the Sabbath "made for mankind" rather than condemning it.

In Ex 20:8-11 no ceremony at all.

The eisgetical insert "ceremonial based" does not pass a close review of scripture.

Do you reject the spiritual meaning of the Sabbath? Which is greater the spiritual or the physical?

Adam had no sin in Gen 2:1-4 -- so Sabbath was based on forgiveness of sins. It was a time of fellowship with God on THE day God selected for excluding all secular concerns - a day devoted to fellowship.

A day for all mankind to worship for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth Is 66:23 -- the point remains.

Christ said in John 14:15 that Love for Christ does not lead to the desire to object to His Commandments

 

[BobRyan]

Mark 7:7-13 Jewish tradition condemned those who chose to Honor parents - claiming that it would be far more spiritual to give gifts to God's Temple than obey the letter of the 5th commandment regarding parents. How much more spiritual, how much more noble to ignore the letter of the 5th commandment as if it service to God. After all "our Father in heaven" Matt 6 is so much greater than a literal father on Earth. How much more spiritual to ignore the details in the commandment for the sake of serving God - so they said.

How interesting that similar arguments can be found today - for setting aside the Sabbath commandment as well.

 

[Clare73]

So maybe we differ there - I am ok with that. I believe He is sovereign.

But that is not like saying "I believe God's commandments don't matter" no matter that I have not support for that statement in scripture.

I don't object to rest in heaven, rest in the New Earth, rest when we turn from being lost to saved etc.

But the idea that any of that deletes a commandment - does not hold up well when compared to scripture.

Unless Scripture (Heb 4:8-11) is what changes it. . .as it changed much of the OT law.