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1 Th 1:10 "delivers us" (snatches us away) from Earth before the Trib -- before "the wrath to come."
EXCEPTING any verse that actually says there will be a rapture, or the Church being taken off the earth.
I supplied several verses that apply only to the pre-Trib rapture. How is Rev 4:1 not the pre-Trib rapture of the Church? Are you going to claim that was for apostle John when he says otherwise in Rev 1:1 and Rev 22:8?
Because only deceived and biased people would be foolish enough to think that.
He will;; and He will do it by protecting His own. No one is ever removed from the earth.
Keras, Rev 1:1 and Rev 22:8 both prove that John was shown everything he heard and saw about Revelation, through an extraordinary vision administered by one angel. Rev 1:1 (ESV): ... He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,
Keras, I cited the verses that PROVE the pre-Trib rapture, as well as that only unbelievers are on Earth during the Trib. What do you come up with? "Various Bible scriptures, paraphrased and placed into order of fulfilment." I suppose that's as valid as no one goes to Heaven to live. Tell that to Elijah, and to the millions of new converts that will occur in the Trib.
Who's raptured in Rev 4:1 if not the Church or apostle John (who was never raptured per Rev 1:1 and Rev 22:8)?
Keras, you keep dodging questions. Who is raptured to Heaven in Rev 4:1, a future pre-Trib rapture, if not the Church?
Your paraphrasing is not of interest.
Rev 3:10 (ESV): Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
I don't care for paraphrased Bible verses. You are rewriting the Bible. Why should I trust your paraphrasing when you can't even acknowledge the truth in Bible verses I present? You ignore the truth of Rev 1:1 sending an angel to John while he was on Patmos. You ignore the attestation by John himself in Rev 22:8 that everything he wrote in Rev was shown to him by one angel. When will you acknowledge those truths that destroy all ill-conceived ideas that Rev 4:1 was for John?
When does Rev 4:1 occur?
You keep on dodging questions because your answers would refute your falsehoods.
The rapture of the Church is being discussed because the GM (Great Multitude) is raptured to Heaven in Rev 7:9. Since there’s disagreement about Rev 7:9 being about a rapture of the GM to Heaven, there were claims made that there is never a rapture of the GM or the Church to Heaven. Both are provable to be future events, so the claims against them are provably false.
Possibly. But the problems begin when people start insulting each other over what they believe. Best to just stick with the beliefs rather than what we think of the other person for their beliefs.
You appear to be responding to me by reason of some claims by Keras. He’s running from questions that he refuses to answer, because they would prove him wrong. He makes false claims. I pose questions to prove they’re false, and he runs and hides.
Keras, it’s been repeatedly proven that John was not raptured to Heaven. You can’t prove he was raptured to Heaven. Therefore, Rev 4:1 is the pre-Trib rapture of the Church. The Church does not enter the Trib, because Jesus said so in Rev 3:10.
