Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[BNR32FAN]

All of the different types of laws were separated by and because they are not the same. A commandment is not an ordinance, at least according to God.

Sorry your argument is not with me.

And what about verse 43? The verse where He went back to the 10 commandments. He mixed the 10 commandments with the other 3 commandments that weren’t part of the 10. It’s almost like He knew someone might try to make this argument. He gave two from the 10 commandments, then 3 from the Torah, then another from the 10 commandments.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And what about verse 43? The verse where He went back to the 10 commandments. He mixed the 10 commandments with the other 3 commandments that weren’t part of the 10. It’s almost like He knew someone might try to make this argument. He gave two from the 10 commandments, then 3 from the Torah, then another from the 10 commandments.

And how many commandments and furthermore's and ands do we have to pass until we get to verse 43. No one ever said they were not other laws aside from the Ten Commandments- God separated them by design. Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 Deut 5:22 But since you bring up love your enemy , it is part of the greatest commandments love thy neighbor which is in the Ten Commandments that deal with love to our neighbor summarized by love Rom 13:9

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok so laws have passed away is what you’re saying. He quoted the Torah and you don’t care what He quoted. The only thing you care about is being right because that’s the only explanation for your argument that He ended the message by using the word “and”. Nobody ever ends a discussion with the word “and” and you know this. No at this point I have no choice but to conclude that your motives are intentional and you don’t actually care what Jesus said you only care about how you can twist His words to make them fit your agenda. Nobody accidentally says something as ridiculous as what you’re saying, it’s impossible.

Where did it end with and, I’m not sure what are you talking about.

Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.

It ended with and commandments period. which was separated from the other laws, statues and ordinances according to God.

The only laws that passed away according to scriptures are the commandments contained in ordinances, as we see are separated from the commandments and never does it say anywhere in scripture any of the Ten Commandments ended, would be hard since we are told thats what we will be Judged by. Jesus said not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 first quoting directly from the Ten Commandments if you want to include some of the other laws of Moses Jesus also related as part of the Ten that Jesus gave as an example, it still means the Ten Commandments did not end. Not all laws ended only what we are told and nowhere does it say the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated. No man can take a way His blessing and sadly, not sure why they would want to.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Yes the sabbath IS part of the 10 Commandments and Jesus was teaching about the sabbath and explained it further;
Mark 2:27-28: “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
This indicates that the Sabbath is intended for human benefit and not a rigid rule like the pharisees were teaching . They did not understand of forgot the core of the Law, Love and Mercy and Compassion.

Matthew 12:10-14: Jesus heals a man on the Sabbath and argues that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. This stress the idea that the Sabbath should not be about legalistic restrictions but about compassion and mercy.

10And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—that they might accuse Him.
11Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? 12Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” 13Then He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and it was restored as whole as the other. 14Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him.

Jesus demonstrated the spirit of rest and the importance of genuine worship over mere ritual observance. He focused on the heart of the law rather than strict adherence to the rules.

Luke 13:15-16 Jesus challenges the Pharisees regarding healing on the Sabbath:
“The Lord then answered him and said, ‘Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it away to water it? So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?’”
This shows Jesus advocating for mercy and the well-being of others on the Sabbath.

Jesus was often teaching the sabbath and how to keep it the proper way. Since Jesus was teaching about the sabbath and Honored it Himself, how can atone can say it is no longer applicable?

Happy Sabbath.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes the sabbath IS part of the 10 Commandments and Jesus was teaching about the sabbath and explained it further;
Mark 2:27-28: “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
This indicates that the Sabbath is intended for human benefit and not a rigid rule like the pharisees were teaching . They did not understand of forgot the core of the Law, Love and Mercy and Compassion.

Matthew 12:10-14: Jesus heals a man on the Sabbath and argues that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. This stress the idea that the Sabbath should not be about legalistic restrictions but about compassion and mercy.

10And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—that they might accuse Him.
11Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? 12Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.” 13Then He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and it was restored as whole as the other. 14Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him.

Jesus demonstrated the spirit of rest and the importance of genuine worship over mere ritual observance. He focused on the heart of the law rather than strict adherence to the rules.

Luke 13:15-16 Jesus challenges the Pharisees regarding healing on the Sabbath:
“The Lord then answered him and said, ‘Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it away to water it? So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?’”
This shows Jesus advocating for mercy and the well-being of others on the Sabbath.

Jesus was often teaching the sabbath and how to keep it the proper way.

Since Jesus was teaching about the sabbath and Honored it Himself, how can atone can say it is no longer applicable?

Happy Sabbath.

I agree it's definitely applicable

You and I probably disagree about what activities we're supposed to do or not do on the Sabbath

But it definitely applies

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 3:17 - New International Reader's Version

Do everything you say or do in the name of the Lord Jesus. Always give thanks to God the Father through Christ.

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[SabbathBlessings]

Does Col 3:17 mean we can murder now in the name of the Lord, or commit adultery in the name of the Lord, or steal, or worship other gods. interesting people only uses these types of verses to apply to breaking God's Sabbath commandment. Mans will over God's will the issue from the beginning

 

[Leaf473]

Does Col 3:17 mean we can murder now in the name of the Lord,

How would a person murder in the name of the Lord?

Bible Gateway passage: John 14:13 - New International Reader's Version

And I will do anything you ask in my name. Then the Father will receive glory from the Son.

www.biblegateway.com

...or commit adultery in the name of the Lord, or steal, or worship other gods. interesting people only uses these types of verses to apply to breaking God's Sabbath commandment. Mans will over God's will the issue from the beginning

 

[Studyman]

Where in all scripture does God ever demand that Gentiles observe the rituals given to Israel at Sinai?

First of all, when making an argument against God or HIS instruction in righteousness given to men in the Holy Scriptures, it seems important not to promote falsehoods about Him. This one sentence you use to justify your own rejection of God's Commandments is filled with deception.

Deception #1. "God's Holy Sabbath is a "Ritual".
This is an insidious lie. God's Holy Sabbath is a "commandment of God" that was made for men. God Himself called it "My Commandment".

Deception #2. "God's Holy Sabbath was only given to Israel".
This too is exposed as a falsehood when the Holy Scriptures are actually considered.

Ex. 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto "the stranger" that sojourneth among you. This Truth was codified in Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
A Gentile that honors God with Faith and obedience is to be considered a child of Abraham, no longer a Gentile. It's right there in your own Bible. God confirms this truth again in Isaiah 56 for those interested in seeking the Truth "of God".

Deception #3. "God's Sabbath Commandment wasn't given until Sinai".
God's weekly Sabbath Commandment was given to Israel weeks before they got to Mt. Sinai. In fact, Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread, including the 2 Sabbaths associated with this commandment of God, was given to Israel and the Strangers who chose to dwell with them, even before they left Egypt. Not to mention that God's Holy Sabbath was made Holy "by Him" and Sanctified, "By HIM" at creation. (Gen. 2:3)

So when discussing matters of the God "of the Bible", we are warned about "Many" deceivers "Who come in Christ's Name". Jesus said we can know them "by their works". A man who promotes falsehoods about the Holy Scriptures, to justify their deliberate rejection of God's commandments, is the poster child for Jesus' warning. I truly hope you might consider this Beam in your eye, and once considered, you cast it out so that you can see clearly to instruct others.

Rituals given include the weekly Sabbath. if God has not demanded that Gentiles keep especially the weekly Sabbath why do some humans go over God's plan and threaten those who do not observe the Sabbath with finely losing their eternal reward?

The Salvation offered to man in the Holy Scriptures, is "God's Salvation", created by and offered be "HIM", not this world's religions. The "Way of Life" that Noah and Abraham, the examples of Faithful men in Scriptures, and His Son Jesus all walked in, is called "The Way of the Lord".

There were many men with Israelite DNA that didn't follow the Passover instruction and stayed in Egypt. There were also many who didn't have Israelite DNA that did follow the Passover instruction and left Egypt. You or they are not forced to believe in God and the "Way of Life" HE created for His People to walk in. You are free to "Profess you know Him, but by your disobedient works deny Him", if you choose. Jesus said there would be "Many" who called Him Lord, Lord, but rejected the "Way of Life" God created for them or and Paul calls them, the "good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them". (Eph. 2:10)

I doubt that you will consider what is actually written, given our many discussions. Nevertheless, it seems prudent to point out something Jesus said.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you": depart from me, ye that "work iniquity".

These men, like many, rejected God's Way of Life, in favor of this world's religions "Who come in "His Name". They were convinced they had already been given their eternal reward by this world's religious philosophers they trusted.

But when a person reads what is actually written, they didn't "Lose their eternal reward" as you promote. They didn't have it in the first place as Jesus Himself said HE didn't even know them.

John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Clearly these "Christians" in Matt. 7 were not "Learned of the Father" and were not given by the Father to Jesus. Is it because they rejected God's Sabbath Commandment?

Ex. 16: 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass, "that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather", and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Why not just Trust God and ignore this world's religions?

 

[Leaf473]

First of all, when making an argument against God or HIS instruction in righteousness given to men in the Holy Scriptures, it seems important not to promote falsehoods about Him. This one sentence you use to justify your own rejection of God's Commandments is filled with deception.

Deception #1. "God's Holy Sabbath is a "Ritual".
This is an insidious lie. God's Holy Sabbath is a "commandment of God" that was made for men. God Himself called it "My Commandment".

I think something can be both a commandment and a ritual

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 27:34 - New American Standard Bible

These are the commandments which the LORD commanded Moses for the sons of Israel on Mount Sinai.

www.biblegateway.com

Deception #2. "God's Holy Sabbath was only given to Israel".
This too is exposed as a falsehood when the Holy Scriptures are actually considered.

Ex. 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto "the stranger" that sojourneth among you. This Truth was codified in Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
A Gentile that honors God with Faith and obedience is to be considered a child of Abraham, no longer a Gentile. It's right there in your own Bible. God confirms this truth again in Isaiah 56 for those interested in seeking the Truth "of God".

Deception #3. "God's Sabbath Commandment wasn't given until Sinai".
God's weekly Sabbath Commandment was given to Israel weeks before they got to Mt. Sinai. In fact, Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread, including the 2 Sabbaths associated with this commandment of God, was given to Israel and the Strangers who chose to dwell with them, even before they left Egypt. Not to mention that God's Holy Sabbath was made Holy "by Him" and Sanctified, "By HIM" at creation. (Gen. 2:3)

So when discussing matters of the God "of the Bible", we are warned about "Many" deceivers "Who come in Christ's Name". Jesus said we can know them "by their works". A man who promotes falsehoods about the Holy Scriptures, to justify their deliberate rejection of God's commandments, is the poster child for Jesus' warning. I truly hope you might consider this Beam in your eye, and once considered, you cast it out so that you can see clearly to instruct others.




The Salvation offered to man in the Holy Scriptures, is "God's Salvation", created by and offered be "HIM", not this world's religions. The "Way of Life" that Noah and Abraham, the examples of Faithful men in Scriptures, and His Son Jesus all walked in, is called "The Way of the Lord".

There were many men with Israelite DNA that didn't follow the Passover instruction and stayed in Egypt. There were also many who didn't have Israelite DNA that did follow the Passover instruction and left Egypt. You or they are not forced to believe in God and the "Way of Life" HE created for His People to walk in. You are free to "Profess you know Him, but by your disobedient works deny Him", if you choose. Jesus said there would be "Many" who called Him Lord, Lord, but rejected the "Way of Life" God created for them or and Paul calls them, the "good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them". (Eph. 2:10)

I doubt that you will consider what is actually written, given our many discussions. Nevertheless, it seems prudent to point out something Jesus said.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you": depart from me, ye that "work iniquity".

These men, like many, rejected God's Way of Life, in favor of this world's religions "Who come in "His Name". They were convinced they had already been given their eternal reward by this world's religious philosophers they trusted.

But when a person reads what is actually written, they didn't "Lose their eternal reward" as you promote. They didn't have it in the first place as Jesus Himself said HE didn't even know them.

John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Clearly these "Christians" in Matt. 7 were not "Learned of the Father" and were not given by the Father to Jesus. Is it because they rejected God's Sabbath Commandment?

Ex. 16: 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass, "that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather", and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Why not just Trust God and ignore this world's religions?

 

[Jerry N.]

I have been following this discussion as best I could, but I’m a bit confused. The title is “Why we are not to keep the Sabbath.” There is good reason not to keep the Sabbath if you believe you are not commanded to do so. There is good reason to keep the Sabbath if you choose to or if you are commanded to. I don’t see any reason why you should not keep the Sabbath as though you are forbidden to.

Part of the problem is slavery. For the Hebrews, the Sabbath was a sign that they were freed from Egyptian slavery. Babylonian slavery took away the keeping of the Sabbath. If you have a mountain of debt, live in a country that does not protect religious freedom, and you have to work on the day you think is the Sabbath, are you a slave or are you free?

 

[Studyman]

I think something can be both a commandment and a ritual

Yes, "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord have judged God's Commandments in many different ways.

Jewish Tradition. Worthless Jewish tradition. Obsolete Laws, and in your case, "A Ritual". Nevertheless, the God who created the Sabbath "of the Bible" called it a Commandment. Since I am warned about religious men of this world, who call Jesus Lord, but are actually deceivers who "Transform themselves" into Apostles of Christ, it seems prudent to accept God's description of His Instruction in Righteousness, over what other religious men think.

In this way I am aligned with HIS Way, and not the way of this world.

 

[guevaraj]

Do we all have in our background the knowledge that God rested on the seventh day?

Brother, we have preserved the evidence of God's rest, by keeping the counting of days of the week given by God, where He established the Date Line of God's prime meridian close to the International Date Line (IDL). To give importance to Greenwich, the British have tried to still the spotlight on the Date Line of God's prime meridian that came from the beginning. The British were able to slightly shift the Date Line because few people live on the site of the Date Line to protest the change of the tradition of the days in the week that is in all of us from the beginning. They also halved the distance. By using a negative half, they gave false importance to Greenwich, where nothing happens as it does on the Date Line of God's prime meridian.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Studyman]

I have been following this discussion as best I could, but I’m a bit confused. The title is “Why we are not to keep the Sabbath.” There is good reason not to keep the Sabbath if you believe you are not commanded to do so. There is good reason to keep the Sabbath if you choose to or if you are commanded to. I don’t see any reason why you should not keep the Sabbath as though you are forbidden to.

Part of the problem is slavery. For the Hebrews, the Sabbath was a sign that they were freed from Egyptian slavery. Babylonian slavery took away the keeping of the Sabbath. If you have a mountain of debt, live in a country that does not protect religious freedom, and you have to work on the day you think is the Sabbath, are you a slave or are you free?

I am not aware of an instance where a country forces a man to become under a mountain of debt. If I over borrow, or if I get caught stealing from others, I create this circumstance and will pay the cost according to the Laws of the land I live in. If I am thrown in a labor camp prison, forced to work every day, did I not place myself there? So to imply that I must work for money on God's Sabbath or Steal to pay off loans I took out because I am a slave to my debt is a bad example, in my view.

Israel was given to Babylon "Because" they rejected God's Commandments, despised His Judgments, and polluted His Sabbaths when they were free from Egyptian slavery. Paul teaches to both Jew and Gentile these Words of God were written for our admonition, to the intent that we would not lust for disobedience as they lusted.

I agree with you that there is no "Biblical" reason why a man shouldn't "Yield himself" to obey God, even in His Sabbath Commandment, when we are free to do so.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes, "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord have judged God's Commandments in many different ways.

Jewish Tradition. Worthless Jewish tradition. Obsolete Laws, and in your case, "A Ritual". Nevertheless, the God who created the Sabbath "of the Bible" called it a Commandment. Since I am warned about religious men of this world, who call Jesus Lord, but are actually deceivers who "Transform themselves" into Apostles of Christ, it seems prudent to accept God's description of His Instruction in Righteousness, over what other religious men think.

In this way I am aligned with HIS Way, and not the way of this world.

"Ritual" is not a pejorative

ritual — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

I think something can be both a commandment and a ritual in the same way that something can be both a commandment and a sentence

Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 4:37 - New American Standard Bible

These were the numbered men of the Kohathite families, everyone who was serving in the tent of meeting, whom Moses and Aaron counted according to the commandment of the LORD through Moses.

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[Leaf473]

Brother, we have preserved the evidence of God's rest,

...by keeping the counting of days of the week given by God,

Brother, it looks to me like not all humans have used a 7-Day week throughout history

Here's a description of the Mayan calendar as an example

The Mayan Calendar

The Maya calendar consists of a system of three interlacing calendars and almanacs which was used by several cultures in Central America.

www.timeanddate.com

This looks interesting, though I didn't read it all

The French tried out a 10-day week. It didn't catch on

The seven-day week governs our lives in countless invisible ways but why do we use it?

www.abc.net.au

...where He established the Date Line of God's prime meridian close to the International Date Line (IDL). To give importance to Greenwich, the British have tried to still the spotlight on the Date Line of God's prime meridian that came from the beginning. The British were able to slightly shift the Date Line because few people live on the site of the Date Line to protest the change of the tradition of the days in the week that is in all of us from the beginning. They also halved the distance. By using a negative half, they gave false importance to Greenwich, where nothing happens as it does on the Date Line of God's prime meridian.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[HIM]

If the creation week in Genesis is not literal, i.e. the world was not literally created in 6 days and God did not literally rested on the 7th, then its just a symbolic, cultural prelude to the Mosaic Law covenant and nothing universal for the rest of the world.

Then you are also saying Jesus, Paul, David, Solomon, and Peter lied.

 

[Leaf473]

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 14:5 - The Message

Or, say, one person thinks that some days should be set aside as holy and another thinks that each day is pretty much like any other. There are good reasons either way. So, each person is free to follow the convictions of conscience.

www.biblegateway.com

Amen, and praise the Lord

 

[HIM]

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 14:5 - The Message

Or, say, one person thinks that some days should be set aside as holy and another thinks that each day is pretty much like any other. There are good reasons either way. So, each person is free to follow the convictions of conscience.

www.biblegateway.com

Amen, and praise the Lord

The message is a
Paraphrase. And not even a good one. That text is definitely not speaking of the Sabbath.

 

[Jerry N.]

I am not aware of an instance where a country forces a man to become under a mountain of debt. If I over borrow, or if I get caught stealing from others, I create this circumstance and will pay the cost according to the Laws of the land I live in. If I am thrown in a labor camp prison, forced to work every day, did I not place myself there? So to imply that I must work for money on God's Sabbath or Steal to pay off loans I took out because I am a slave to my debt is a bad example, in my view.

Israel was given to Babylon "Because" they rejected God's Commandments, despised His Judgments, and polluted His Sabbaths when they were free from Egyptian slavery. Paul teaches to both Jew and Gentile these Words of God were written for our admonition, to the intent that we would not lust for disobedience as they lusted.

I agree with you that there is no "Biblical" reason why a man shouldn't "Yield himself" to obey God, even in His Sabbath Commandment, when we are free to do so.

I'm not saying that debt is a good reason to break the Sabbath, and I disagree that debt is always one's fault. I have gone bankrupt due to medical bills. My point is that there are people that are slaves in every way but in name. If you live in a country that does not allow you to be off work on the Sabbath and you have an overwhelming financial burden without other employment opportunities, then you might be nothing more than a bond slave. One has to pick the lesser of evils. Do you move your family onto the street or work on the Sabbath?

 

[Jerry N.]

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 14:5 - The Message

Or, say, one person thinks that some days should be set aside as holy and another thinks that each day is pretty much like any other. There are good reasons either way. So, each person is free to follow the convictions of conscience.

www.biblegateway.com

Amen, and praise the Lord

I agree.