Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[Leaf473]

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

There is no new moons in the Ten Commandments.

The new moon feasts ended, not a new month.

God's word can't be altered, so I don't think the feasts ended, myself

I think what changed is how we keep them

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 14:5 - New Century Version

Some think that one day is more important than another, and others think that every day is the same. Let all be sure in their own mind.

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[SabbathBlessings]

it’s a record of what took place not a teaching of what is expected of us. It’s like you search for every use of the word sabbath in the scriptures and try to twist the passage into something it’s not saying just like the 3 passages you quoted last night. What you’re doing with these passages reminds me of how the RCC tries to use almost every reference of a fire in the scriptures to support their doctrine of purgatory. None of these women knew that the mosaic law was about to be abolished, no one had received the Holy Spirit, they didn’t even know that Jesus was resurrected yet but none of that matters to you, you’ll still try to shoehorn something into the passage that isn’t there.

What three passages did I twist?

Why would you think that Jesus would not tell ANYONE if one of His commandments was going to change. Not even to one of His closest followers? Jesus already said He wasn't going to change His law Mat 5:18 Psa 89:34 I am sure they took Him at His Word as should we.

I don't think we are ever going to agree on scripture, and that's okay, there is only so much one can do and probably best to move on.

 

[BNR32FAN]

God's word can't be altered, so I don't think the feasts ended, myself

I think what changed is how we keep them

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 14:5 - New Century Version

Some think that one day is more important than another, and others think that every day is the same. Let all be sure in their own mind.

www.biblegateway.com

I would quote Colossians 2 on this subject.

“See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[BNR32FAN]

The apostles observe every Sabbath because Jesus told them to observe everything He commanded

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.

The apostles observed every Sabbath Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus did Luke 4:16 because we are made in the image of God to be His followers, not to do our own thing. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for human beings Mark 2:27 and everyone Isa 56:6

Acts 15:21, Acts18:4, Luke 4:16, and Matthew 28:18.

None of these say that the apostles kept the sabbath, none of them say that Jesus told them to, and none of them say that we are to keep the commandments that Jesus kept.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Acts 15:21, Acts18:4, Luke 4:16, and Matthew 28:18.

None of these say that the apostles kept the sabbath, none of them say that Jesus told them to, and none of them say that we are to keep the commandments that Jesus kept.

So the apostles observing every Sabbath decades after the cross in a holy manner the way Jesus did as their example and followers of Christ, is an example of them profaning the Sabbath commandment instead of observing everything Christ commanded of them. When the Gentiles asked for more gospel preaching the next Sabbath Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44, they immediately corrected them and said we now keep Sunday, no that didn't happen

Sorry I can't even reason with this type of thinking, I tried.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What three passages did I twist?

Why would you think that Jesus would not tell ANYONE if one of His commandments was going to change. Not even to one of His closest followers? Jesus already said He wasn't going to change His law Mat 5:18 Psa 89:34 I am sure they took Him at His Word as should we.

I don't think we are ever going to agree on scripture, and that's okay, there is only so much one can do and probably best to move on.

Where did Jesus say that circumcision of the flesh would end? Or the New Moon feasts? If these have in fact ended as Paul said then obviously Jesus didn’t tell the apostles about everything that would come to an end during His ministry.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Where did Jesus say that circumcision of the flesh would end?

Where did it end in scripture? There is no such teaching and it has many heath benefits for today. Paul was teaching we don’t keep circumcision for salvation Acts 15:1 which means we could save ourselves and we can’t we need Jesus.

Circumcision was never one of the Ten Commandments and served a different purpose than having skin removed from males. But I guess if we can't find the scripture that says the Sabbath has been abrogated, let pick something else apart and compare it as if it's the same, when scripture says its not 1 Cor 7:19

Sorry, I am moving on, its the same arguments. I wish you well. If something new pops up I may jump back in, but for now, I'll let it as agree to disagree.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What three passages did I twist?

Why would you think that Jesus would not tell ANYONE if one of His commandments was going to change. Not even to one of His closest followers? Jesus already said He wasn't going to change His law Mat 5:18 Psa 89:34 I am sure they took Him at His Word as should we.

I don't think we are ever going to agree on scripture, and that's okay, there is only so much one can do and probably best to move on.

Matthew 5:18 says the law not His law and circumcision and the New Moon feasts were part of that law and have been abolished since the law was fulfilled when He fulfilled it flawlessly. The word UNTIL should be a very important word to consider in that verse.

“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Matthew 5:18 says the law not His law and circumcision and the New Moon feasts were part of that law and have been abolished since the law was fulfilled when He fulfilled it flawlessly. The word UNTIL should be a very important word to consider in that verse.

Read the context and please tell me where you see circumcision or new moons in this passage. Jesus quoted directly from the commandments He was referring to, but not everyone allows for Him to explain what He means, sadly.

I would say ALL is the important word in this passage

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [b]jot or one [c]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Jesus said until ALL is fulfilled, which means just that all. Jesus has not come in the clouds and His saints have not met Him in the clouds to be with Him forevermore. He promises no more sin and no more tears- has this been fulfilled? Read the news easy to tell there's lots of sin in the world so no, not ALL is fulfilled.

This passage never says breaking the least of these commandments affects our status until the Cross- He said breaking and teaching others to break the least of these commandments affect our status in heaven. So its part of Judgement. We should already know that James 2:10-12 Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14

All has not been fulfilled and Jesus tells us the commandments He is referring to if we allow Him to explain the context. You will not find New Moons or circumcision but you will Him quoting two of the commandments directly from the Ten Commandments, so we don't need to guess what least commandments He is referring to a completely different set of laws God writing, is not man writing. Sadly, unless we understand the difference scriptures will never reconcile.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I would say ALL is the important word in this passage

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [b]jot or one [c]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Jesus said until ALL is fulfilled, which means just that all. Jesus has not come in the clouds and His saints have not met Him in the clouds to be with Him forevermore. He promises no more sin and no more tears- has this been fulfilled? Read the news easy to tell there's lots of sin in the world so no, not ALL is fulfilled.

It’s an ambiguous statement I agree. We have no way of defining what “all” meant other than the fact that right after this He quoted the Torah and laws from the Torah have in fact been abolished. This must mean that whatever the word “all” implied must’ve already been fulfilled otherwise we’d still be observing New Moon feasts and circumcision of the flesh.

 

[BNR32FAN]

All has not been fulfilled and Jesus tells us the commandments He is referring to if we allow Him to explain the context. You will not find New Moons or circumcision but you will Him quoting two of the commandments directly from the Ten Commandments, so we don't need to guess what least commandments He is referring to a completely different set of laws God writing, is not man writing. Sadly, unless we understand the difference scriptures will never reconcile.

Actually He quoted 3 of the 10 commandments along with 3 commandments of the Torah. I don’t know how you can sit there knowing this because I’ve pointed this out countless times to you and you still pretend not to see it. Do you not feel any conviction at all when you make that statement knowing full well that He quoted 6 laws in that passage? 3 from the 10 commandments and 3 from the Torah. You know this and you still keep on making this same claim as if He never actually said it even tho it’s written for all to see.

How can you not see that you are bending the truth here?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Actually He quoted 3 of the 10 commandments along with 3 commandments of the Torah. I don’t know how you can sit there knowing this because I’ve pointed this out countless times to you and you still pretend not to see it. Do you not feel any conviction at all when you make that statement knowing full well that He quoted 6 laws in that passage? 3 from the 10 commandments and 3 from the Torah. You know this and you still keep on making this same claim as if He never actually said it even tho it’s written for all to see.

So, then where do you get the idea we can break any of the Ten Commandments if its going to affect our status in heaven. He did separate the Ten from the other laws by saying and, when means in addition, we went through this before too. He also related the laws from the law of Moses right to the Ten Commandments as they mean much more than stated.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It’s an ambiguous statement I agree. We have no way of defining what “all” meant other than the fact that right after this He quoted the Torah and laws from the Torah have in fact been abolished. This must mean that whatever the word “all” implied must’ve already been fulfilled otherwise we’d still be observing New Moon feasts and circumcision of the flesh.

So who is moving the goal post. All doesn't mean all, heaven and earth doesn't mean that either. No wonder no one can agree on scripture because we simple do not allow it to interpret Itself.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So, then where do you get the idea we can break any of the Ten Commandments if its going to affect our status in heaven. He did separate the Ten from the other laws by saying and, when means in addition, we went through this before too. He also related the laws from the law of Moses right to the Ten Commandments as they mean much more than stated.

And means and, yes it means in addition to which means He wasn’t finished with what He was saying. Any time the word “and” is used it means the speaker ISN'T FINISHED. I’m literally beyond words at trying to describe how absurd what you just said is. So you think that when He said “and” that meant He was finished with what He was saying? Absolutely unbelievable

 

[BNR32FAN]

So who is moving the goal post. All doesn't mean all, heaven and earth doesn't mean that either. No wonder no one can agree on scripture because we simple do not allow it to interpret Itself.

Simple question have laws passed away yet?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And means and, yes it means in addition to which means He wasn’t finished with what He was saying. Any time the word “and” is used it means the speaker ISN'T FINISHED. I’m literally beyond words at trying to describe how absurd what you just said is. So you think that when He said “and” that meant He was finished with what He was saying? Absolutely unbelievable

And means in addition, not the same.

An example

“You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.

Which does not translate to everything God commanded was a commandment. They are seperated because they have different meaning, not the same meaning.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Simple question have laws passed away yet?

Only the laws we are told that are the commandments contained in ordinances Heb 9:10-11 Eph 2:15 Col 2:14-17KJV , some laws were meant to be temporary as we see what they point to Heb 10:1-22, the Ten Commandments that define sin written by the finger of God were not temporary . Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19

You can believe that only nine of the Ten are in the NC, that's your choice, its not what I believe based on the teachings of Jesus, His example and the promises of God. Going through this again is not going to help anyone.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And means in addition, not the same.

An example

“You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.

Which does not translate to everything God commanded was a commandment. They are seperated because they have different meaning, not the same meaning.

The question I’m asking myself right now is how can someone spend so much time discussing the word of God, I mean it has to be important to you otherwise you wouldn’t be here doing this everyday. And yet you make this argument here that is by far THE MOST ILLOGICAL ARGUMENT I’VE EVER ENCOUNTERED IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. This is beyond common sense. My son could understand the word “and” at the age of 3. Nobody ever uses the word “and” the way that you’re saying that Jesus used it. Even in the verse you quoted here the word “and” isn’t ending the message. I just can’t believe what I’m reading right now.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The question I’m asking myself right now is how can someone spend so much time discussing the word of God, I mean it has to be important to you otherwise you wouldn’t be here doing this everyday. And yet you make this argument here that is by far THE MOST ILLOGICAL ARGUMENT I’VE EVER ENCOUNTERED IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. This is beyond common sense. My son could understand the word “and” at the age of 3. Nobody ever uses the word “and” the way that you’re saying that Jesus used it. Even in the verse you quoted here the word “and” isn’t ending the message. I just can’t believe what I’m reading right now.

All of the different types of laws were separated by and because they are not the same. A commandment is not an ordinance, at least according to God. That what and does it separates one thing from another, just like Jesus did after He quoted directly from the Ten in Mat 5:18-30

You didn't agree with me then until you were proven wrong by user HIM which you later admitted. Perhaps you forgot.

For people who don't believe in one of God's commandments sure spend a lot of time trying to disprove something they claim no longer exists. Perhaps they are trying to convince themselves more than trying to convince me. I will not change my view on this until someone can produce one verse where Jesus abrogated His commandment. He blessed, man cannot reverse. Num 23:20 You can read from cover to cover, and no one will find this verse so instead spending endless time trying to disprove the Sabbath commandment, that Jesus said when profaning is profaning Him Eze 22:26, so what does that tell us when we not only not keep the Sabbath but try to disprove its one of God's commandments when He personally wrote it and claimed it as His own. Then assign a day to be God day, i'e. the Lords Day that God did not, He said it was for work and labors Exo 20:9 instead of the day to honor God on the day God told us to by His own mouth claiming it is His holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13. Its really such a sad argument.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Only the laws we are told that are the commandments contained in ordinances Heb 9:10-11 Eph 2:15 Col 2:14-17KJV , some laws were meant to be temporary, the Ten Commandments that define sin written by the finger of God were not . Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18

You can believe that only nine of the Ten are in the NC, that's your choice, its not what I believe based on the teachings of Jesus and the promises of God. Going through this again is not going to help anyone.

Ok so laws have passed away is what you’re saying. He quoted the Torah and you don’t care what He quoted. The only thing you care about is being right because that’s the only explanation for your argument that He ended the message by using the word “and”. Nobody ever ends a discussion with the word “and” and you know this. No at this point I have no choice but to conclude that your motives are intentional and you don’t actually care what Jesus said you only care about how you can twist His words to make them fit your agenda. Nobody accidentally says something as ridiculous as what you’re saying, it’s impossible.