If theistic evolution, how can God save a raven?

[Diamond72]

Biblical archaeology has shown the Bible is part truth and part fiction.

No one has ever produced any scientific evidence to show the Bible is not true. Science can be used to verify translation and interpretation. Some things are rock solid, like you can not argue with the fact that Adam and Eve lived 6,000 years ago and this was the beginning of civilization. Hunter gather became a food producer and the population increased because of the increase in food to feed the people. We read a lot about food and domestic or farm animals in the Bible.

 

[Diamond72]

The universe can not exist without the laws to regulate it. They are a part of the fabric of the universe.

God could be present in all the physical universe, upholding regular
"laws",

 

[Stephen3141]

I'm still trying to figure out what this post is about.

What is ToE?
What does "saving a raven" mean?

Define what you mean by "theistic evolution".

 

[sfs]

I'm still trying to figure out what this post is about.

What is ToE?
What does "saving a raven" mean?

Define what you mean by "theistic evolution".

The thread is five years old and its originator hasn't posted here in three years, so you're unlikely to get an answer. (But ToE most likely means the theory of evolution.)

 

[DamianWarS]

Hi everyone,
I don't believe theistic evolution is true and I'd like to challenge believers from the evolutionist side again:
The ToE is about survival of the fittest. If animals can't find food, they simply die. The ones best adapted to their environment survive. According to that theory, if I understand it right.

Now Job 38:41 says:
Who provides for the raven its prey, when its young ones cry to God for help, and wander about for lack of food?

To my knowledge, the ToE does not leave any room for interventions like this. God helping animals wandering for lack of food out of love?

Regards,
Thomas

at its premise, theistic evolution is about divine intervention behind all things which is perfectly consistent with your posted verse.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

at its premise, theistic evolution is about divine intervention behind all things which is perfectly consistent with your posted verse.

Yes... As a TE believer, I hold that God intervenes at will. He commanded that the earth (dirt) and water bring forth life, and it did. So, the code of life is in the dirt. If life ceased to exist on earth, the power of God's word in the soil and water would simply generate life again.

Genesis 1:11-24 KJV
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:20 KJV
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Those words God spoke forth have never been nullified. They are still working today.

Isaiah 55:11 KJV
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

I like to term the earth and seas as God's life factory.
I am a writer. People ask me what I do. I tell them I create books. But we know, I mean, the book publisher does the actual work. So to the God and life. God created all life, and He used His Word to empower the life factory to do it.
TE believers do not deny that God created all life. That is a mischaracterization of what we believe. We believe He created all life and everything else. We just compare what we see in nature and glorify God for His methods. Life is empowered to adjust to changes in the environment and, therefore, survive. And yes, some do not, survive as evidenced by the thousands of species that have gone extinct.

John 1:3 KJV
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Amen!

 

[Diamond72]

If animals can't find food, they simply die.

The Bible says that God provides for what they need. If He does that for them, then how much more does He provide for us.

 

[lismore]

I'm still trying to figure out what this post is about.

What is ToE?
What does "saving a raven" mean?

Hello! I think ToE means theory of evolution. 'Saving a raven', I take it to be pointing out that ToE and biblical creation are complete opposites that cannot be reconciled, taking the example of God caring for the Raven in the bible.

Define what you mean by "theistic evolution".

When a worldly theory is taken and rammed into scripture it creates a big, unverifiable mess. 'Theistic evolution' can pretty much mean anything required, depending on the latest fad theory.

God Bless You

 

[The Liturgist]

To my knowledge, the ToE does not leave any room for interventions like this. God helping animals wandering for lack of food out of love?

Actually, it has nothing to say about the issue at all. Since a Christian who believes in evolution will likely believe in the above verse, at least most theistic evolutionists I am aware of, it would be their view that in so doing, in engaging in such a kind intervention, God has exerted control over the evolutionary process that would otherwise be absent.

I would also note that apparently Darwin developed a particularly Nihilistic view of evolution after encountering the grotesque cockroach wasp of South America, which brutally hijacks and zombifies cockroaches as part of its reproductive process, as contradicting the idea that God had created all living things. However I would argue his reaction was misguided, and was the result of an ill-advised anthropomorphology, in which he anthropomorphized the cockroaches and then also anthropomorphized God, which drove him into articulating his theory in such a way that was bound to cause offense. And since the time of Darwin the theory itself has changed; we, for example, know that there is cooperation as well as competition in the biosphere. There are some living things, such as the remarkable Portuguese Man of War, that consist of multiple animals which are united into a single entity, cooperating with each other in a purely symbiotic manner.

Likewise, humans even have a symbiotic relationship with a certain virus, the Macrophage, which patrols our skin and our digestive tract and kills off certain dangerouos bacteria when it sees it, and an absence of macrophages can result in staph infections, and other unpleasant bacterial encounters. Indeed, there are so many viruses that live with us in a symbiotic, rather than parasitic way, that it is referred to as the “human virome” and it accounts for an appreciable portion of our total mass.

Symbiosis is a particularly beautiful thing from a Christian perspective because of its typological likeness to the Trinity.

 

[Truth7t7]

I think this verse is simply suggesting that God provides for those in need. I don't see any reason to believe it should be literally interpreted to mean that God makes worms fall from the sky whenever a bird is hungry.

I think ÿouŕ wrong and a liberal, just MHO

 

[Diamond72]

(But ToE most likely means the theory of evolution.)

It means the theory of everything. But some people are mistaken and think it means evolution.

 

[sfs]

It means the theory of everything. But some people are mistaken and think it means evolution.

No, it means different things in different contexts. That's how acronyms (and words) work. If a bunch of people use it to mean 'theory of evolution', it means 'theory of evolution'.

 

[Diamond72]

No, it means different things in different contexts. That's how acronyms (and words) work. If a bunch of people use it to mean 'theory of evolution', it means 'theory of evolution'.

Then you should publish an article on Wiki to that effect. TOE on Wiki means theory of everything. That is what comes up if you do a google search or ask AI. Of course on THIS web site they use it to mean evolution.

POE law began on this web site and is accepted on the internet if you run a search on it.

 

[sfs]

Then you should publish an article on Wiki to that effect. TOE on Wiki means theory of everything.

No, it means lots of things on Wikipedia:

That is what comes up if you do a google search or ask AI.

Learn to look for yourself instead of relying on AI.

 

[Diamond72]

Learn to look for yourself instead of relying on AI.

I did look it up. That is all I do all day long for years and years. I do study and research on the Bible. I have studied my bible for close to 50 years now.

 

[loveofourlord]

The Bible says that God provides for what they need. If He does that for them, then how much more does He provide for us.

wich animals? The crows and ravens that often feed on dead or live animals, the zebra that has food everywhere, the leopard that has to kill and eat the zebra? It sounds poetic and nice, but has some rather messed up conotations, that eitehr god is favouring some, or deciding wich animals get to kill other animals.

 

[Diamond72]

which animals?

Isaiah 11 6The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the goat; the calf and young lion and fatling will be together, and a little child will lead them. 7The cow will graze with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.…

 

[loveofourlord]

Isaiah 11 6The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the goat; the calf and young lion and fatling will be together, and a little child will lead them. 7The cow will graze with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox.…

what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? Notice the WILl, notice I was respond to, "Does." This entire concept of this topic is that god DOES save ravens and provide for them, but remember that providing requires death of another animal. Only 3 percent of birds are primary herbivores, rest eat insects, other birds, fish and mammals.

Right now wolves, leopards, and lions kill to live.

 

[loveofourlord]

No one has ever produced any scientific evidence to show the Bible is not true. Science can be used to verify translation and interpretation. Some things are rock solid, like you can not argue with the fact that Adam and Eve lived 6,000 years ago and this was the beginning of civilization. Hunter gather became a food producer and the population increased because of the increase in food to feed the people. We read a lot about food and domestic or farm animals in the Bible.

Except that the flood never happened, the exedous never happened, isreal was a minor small country of citie states till Judah was taken over. Actual archeology and geology shows there are many things that aren't proven or shown to be true in the bible.

 

[Diamond72]

Except that the flood never happened, the exedous never happened, isreal was a minor small country of citie states till Judah was taken over. Actual archeology and geology shows there are many things that aren't proven or shown to be true in the bible.

Wow - You win the prize for being 100% wrong. Let me know if you want live and healing and a saving knowledge of the truth.