If theistic evolution, how can God save a raven?

[Diamond72]

what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

Everything! God provides all we need. Including tea. He gives us life, health and healing abundantly above and all we could ever ask or think. We just need to believe that God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

 

[loveofourlord]

Everything! God provides all we need. Including tea. He gives us life, health and healing abundantly above and all we could ever ask or think. We just need to believe that God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

so what is god giving the zebra when he provides it to feed the lion?

 

[loveofourlord]

Wow - You win the prize for being 100% wrong. Let me know if you want live and healing and a saving knowledge of the truth.

Funny how most of the experts in the fields disagree with you, even the Chrstians and jews. saying I'm wrong without any evidence is useless. Lets start with an easy one, where is ANY evidence that of 3 million jews, loss of the pharoh and the army happening all at once? And no, they would have covered it up isn't evidence, many nations hated Egypt, and would have noticed it happening and said something about it, it be like suddenly the death of the president along with half or more of the army and loss of around 100-200 million americans some how being covered up and NO ONE mentioning or noticing. Oh and for extra fun, those 100 million plus americans, fleeing new mexico into texas.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Except that the flood never happened, the exedous never happened, isreal was a minor small country of citie states till Judah was taken over. Actual archeology and geology shows there are many things that aren't proven or shown to be true in the bible.

So history only happened if we discover evidence of it ???

 

[loveofourlord]

So history only happened if we discover evidence of it ???

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence except where we would expect it. Given the only source for the exedous is a highly motivated source, and no evidence for it, especially as I said just how much of a massive blow that be to egypt. This isn't some small nation no ones heard of, but one of the biggest, if not the biggest at the time, loss of 40-60% of it's population and the pharoh would be impossible for no one to notice.

 

[Carl Emerson]

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence except where we would expect it. Given the only source for the exedous is a highly motivated source, and no evidence for it, especially as I said just how much of a massive blow that be to egypt. This isn't some small nation no ones heard of, but one of the biggest, if not the biggest at the time, loss of 40-60% of it's population and the pharoh would be impossible for no one to notice.

Isn't collaborating evidence on any event rather thin on the ground from that era ?

 

[loveofourlord]

Isn't collaborating evidence on any event rather thin on the ground from that era ?

not for a massive country like egypt that controlled cannan at the time too. Again, they kept meticulous records, and had many enemies that some how missed such a devestating event, and notice your not commenting on losting most of the country without any noticable effects.

 

[Carl Emerson]

not for a massive country like egypt that controlled cannan at the time too. Again, they kept meticulous records, and had many enemies that some how missed such a devestating event, and notice your not commenting on losting most of the country without any noticable effects.

Have you studied anthropology ?

 

[loveofourlord]

Have you studied anthropology ?

Not officially, but read from the Christiain and jewish anthropologists and such that have a desire for the exedous to be true, and they haven't found anything to show 30 yeras in the desert, or 60% of egypts population leaving. Again egypt was a power house at the time, it be IMPOSSIBLE for no one to notice it and not respond.

 

[BPPLEE]

Not officially, but read from the Christiain and jewish anthropologists and such that have a desire for the exedous to be true, and they haven't found anything to show 30 yeras in the desert, or 60% of egypts population leaving. Again egypt was a power house at the time, it be IMPOSSIBLE for no one to notice it and not respond.

According to biblical accounts and most estimations, before the Exodus, the Jewish population in Egypt would have represented a very small percentage of the overall Egyptian population, likely less than 1% due to the narrative that only a relatively small group of Israelites, the descendants of Jacob, were living in Egypt as slaves at the time.

 

[BPPLEE]

Key points to consider:

• Limited numbers:
  The Bible states that only 70 people from Jacob's family originally went to Egypt, forming the basis of the Israelite population there.
  
  
• Large Egyptian population:
  At the time of the Exodus, the Egyptian population is estimated to be significantly larger, in the millions.
  
  
  
• No precise data:
  Due to the historical context, there is no definitive census data to pinpoint the exact percentage.
  
  

 

[BPPLEE]

not for a massive country like egypt that controlled cannan at the time too. Again, they kept meticulous records, and had many enemies that some how missed such a devestating event, and notice your not commenting on losting most of the country without any noticable effects.

Because they didn't lose most of the country. They may have lost more from all the first born dying.

 

[BPPLEE]

so what is god giving the zebra when he provides it to feed the lion?

He's controlling the population so that there will be enough food for the other Zebras to eat and thus the species survives

 

[loveofourlord]

According to biblical accounts and most estimations, before the Exodus, the Jewish population in Egypt would have represented a very small percentage of the overall Egyptian population, likely less than 1% due to the narrative that only a relatively small group of Israelites, the descendants of Jacob, were living in Egypt as slaves at the time.

except the bible puts them at around 3 million, at a time the egyptian population was barly 4-5 million.

 

[BPPLEE]

except the bible puts them at around 3 million, at a time the egyptian population was barly 4-5 million.

Where does the figure for Egypt's population come from?

 

[loveofourlord]

Where does the figure for Egypt's population come from?

600 thousand adult males, leaving children, woman, and elderly along with any egyptians that joined them not counted, and since woman tended to outnumber men back there. so between 2-3 million.

 

[BPPLEE]

600 thousand adult males, leaving children, woman, and elderly along with any egyptians that joined them not counted, and since woman tended to outnumber men back there. so between 2-3 million.

That's the Jewish population , where did you get Egypt's population?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Not officially, but read from the Christiain and jewish anthropologists and such that have a desire for the exedous to be true, and they haven't found anything to show 30 yeras in the desert, or 60% of egypts population leaving. Again egypt was a power house at the time, it be IMPOSSIBLE for no one to notice it and not respond.

Egyptian Records​

• Absence of Direct Mention: Ancient Egyptian records are generally silent about the mass departure of a large enslaved population, which would have included a major blow to the labor force. Egyptian records from the New Kingdom period (circa 1550-1077 BCE) don’t mention an Exodus-like event. Given that the Egyptians often omitted or downplayed records of defeat or difficulty, some historians suggest that if an event resembling the Exodus did occur, it might have been downplayed.
• Merneptah Stele: One of the earliest known mentions of Israel outside the Bible is on the Merneptah Stele, dating to around 1208 BCE. The text refers to a group called "Israel" in Canaan, which suggests that a people known as Israel existed by this time. This doesn’t directly support the Exodus but does confirm the existence of Israelites in the region by the late 13th century BCE.

Archaeological Evidence in Canaan​

• Settlement Patterns: In the late Bronze Age (around 13th century BCE), there is evidence of new settlement patterns in the highlands of Canaan, which some archaeologists suggest might indicate the arrival of a new group. This is based on distinctive pottery styles, house structures, and other cultural markers different from the local Canaanites. Some scholars have speculated that this population shift could reflect a migration of people who later identified as Israelites.
• City Destruction Layers: Archaeological layers showing destruction in Canaanite cities like Hazor, Lachish, and Bethel align with the period when the Bible describes the Israelite conquests. However, these destructions might also be attributed to other regional conflicts, as the Late Bronze Age was a tumultuous period with invasions and social upheavals across the eastern Mediterranean.

Evidence of Semitic Presence in Egypt​

• Avaris and the Hyksos: The city of Avaris in the Nile Delta (modern Tell el-Dab'a) was a major settlement for the Hyksos, a Semitic people who ruled parts of Egypt in the Second Intermediate Period (circa 1650-1550 BCE). The Hyksos’ presence and eventual expulsion from Egypt is sometimes compared to the Exodus narrative, though it’s a separate event occurring centuries earlier. Some scholars suggest that the memory of the Hyksos' expulsion might have influenced the later development of the Exodus story.
• Asiatic Workers in Egypt: There is evidence of Semitic people, possibly from Canaan, working as laborers and even slaves in Egypt during the New Kingdom period. Texts such as the Brooklyn Papyrus (dating around 1800 BCE) reference lists of slaves with Semitic names. However, there is no indication of a large-scale, coordinated departure of these workers from Egypt.

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[Diamond72]

so what is god giving the zebra when he provides it to feed the lion?

It is not God's plan for the Lion to eat the Zebra. We are told that is the work of Satan. Because Satan is angry with God we are told that he is seeking to get God's creation to destroy itself. God wants life, health and Love. Satan wants death and destruction. John 10 10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."

 

[Diamond72]

they haven't found anything to show 30 yeras in the desert

That is not true AT ALL. This belief is the work of atheists. An example is the Best Selling Book "Walking the Bible" where the author finds Bible evidence everywhere he goes to places we read about in the Bible. You can also view the PBS program based on the book. That is very interesting.

Why are you spreading misinformation like this?