If theistic evolution, how can God save a raven?

[loveofourlord]

The Bible is always accurate and true. Our understanding of the Bible is limited. Science helps us to better understand the word of God. He gives us both science and the Bible.

if thats your take on the bible you can get lied too.

 

[Diamond72]

if thats your take on the bible you can get lied too.

Are you calling God a liar? The Bible is 100% accurate and true. Science can verify how accurate and true the Bible is.

 

[BPPLEE]

why are you spreading missinformation? You do know 1-2 million people walking through the desert would provide FAR MORE then the paultry little bits we find, wich isn't the amount you expect from millions of people, but from nomads wandering the desert. Not again millions. Even the jews who have a huge reason to find the stuff admit it's not there.

Maybe God didn’t leave evidence because he wants us to have faith, not proof. If there was proof there would be no need for faith

 

[trophy33]

Maybe God didn’t leave evidence because he wants us to have faith, not proof. If there was proof there would be no need for faith

Why would God want us to have faith in a specific number of Jewish exodus? Its not a part of Christian faith or of Christian creeds. Jesus can be the Son of God and resurrected without any exodus ever happening.

Therefore, I see no real reason for a Christian to fight for any specific view of that event, to die on that hill or to be anxious about it.

 

[BPPLEE]

Why would God want us to have faith in a specific number of Jewish exodus? Its not a part of Christian faith or of Christian creeds. Jesus can be the Son of God and resurrected without any exodus ever happening.

Therefore, I see no real reason for a Christian to fight for any specific view of that event, to die on that hill or to be anxious about it.

You can say that about the flood, the creation, the kingdoms, so what good is the Old Testament?

 

[trophy33]

You can say that about the flood, the creation, the kingdoms, so what good is the Old Testament?

There are some prophecies about Christ. And some people find some places in it useful, theologically, poetically (like Psalms), even historically.

However, we do not need to be anxious about its literal historicity in everything, our faith is not based on that.

 

[BPPLEE]

There are some prophecies about Christ. And some people find some places in it useful, theologically, poetically (like Psalms), even historically.

However, we do not need to be anxious about its literal historicity in everything, our faith is not based on that.

Some people have been taught the Bible is the word of God and is to be taken literally. What you are saying challenges their faith

 

[Diamond72]

Maybe God didn’t leave evidence

It is a lie that there is no evidence. There is abundant evidence for all that God has done.

 

[trophy33]

Some people have been taught the Bible is the word of God and is to be taken literally. What you are saying challenges their faith

Yes, various people have been taught various things. And those things are challenged by education, public discussions and similar.

In any case, no view of the Bible is crucial for Christianity, its basic doctrines, morality and salvation. If somebody was taught otherwise, such a person is closed in a circle which is hard to exit. However, some views of the Bible bring more problems and conflicts with reality than others.

 

[Platte]

It is a lie that there is no evidence. There is abundant evidence for all that God has done.

Is it fair to ask what is the Biblical evidence for evolution?

 

[BPPLEE]

Is it fair to ask what is the Biblical evidence for evolution?

There are people who believe in that. Ask @The Barbarian . We disagree on most things but he is very knowledgeable about evolution and the Bible

 

[Jipsah]

The ToE is about survival of the fittest.

A gross reductio ad absurdum,

If animals can't find food, they simply die.

That's gonna be a difficult assertion to challenge, IMO.

The ones best adapted to their environment survive.

Generally true. I'd be very keen to hear of any notable exceptions to that. Where a species that was grossly unsuited to a particular environment thrived in that environment.

Now Job 38:41 says:
Who provides for the raven its prey, when its young ones cry to God for help, and wander about for lack of food?

Uness they're in Chile or Argentina, because there aren't any there. Reckon why not? Does God refuse to take care of them there? Or is the difference simply (gasp!) environmental?

To my knowledge, the ToE does not leave any room for interventions like this. God helping animals wandering for lack of food out of love?

Does God hate corvids in Argentina?

 

[Jipsah]

Is it fair to ask what is the Biblical evidence for evolution?

It's in the same part of the Bible as Ohm's Law and the Periodic Table.

 

[BPPLEE]

A gross reductio ad absurdum,

That's gonna be a difficult assertion to challenge, IMO.

Generally true. I'd be very keen to hear of any notable exceptions to that. Where a species that was grossly unsuited to a particular environment thrived in that environment.

Uness they're in Chile or Argentina, because there aren't any there. Reckon why not? Does God refuse to take care of them there? Or is the difference simply (gasp!) environmental?

Does God hate corvids in Argentina?

"Generally true. I'd be very keen to hear of any notable exceptions to that. Where a species that was grossly unsuited to a particular environment thrived in that environment."
Larry Bird?

 

[Jipsah]

In contrast, the Theory of Evolution proposes that if an animal survives, it means it was well adapted to their environment.

Yep. Not many groundhogs in Antarctica.

It gives the credit to the animals themselves.

Yeah, the groundhogs should have learned to survive on snow cones and the occasional penguins.

I conclude, the proposition of a caring God is in direct contradiction to what the ToE teaches here.

So if I drop off a couple of dozen woodshucks of appropriate genders at the South Pole, they should live and thrive by Grace Alone. Si o no?

 

[Jipsah]

Larry Bird?

You're fired.

 

[Jipsah]

At the same time it is true you would certainly die in Antartica...

Becauss God wouldn't love you enough to send you food (and with any luck, tea...and a means of boiling water) at the South Pole?

 

[Platte]

It's in the same part of the Bible as Ohm's Law and the Periodic Table.

Both were created approximately 6000 years ago according to the Bible

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think the best evidence of God (gods) intervening in evolution is man. On the sixth day, God commanded the earth to bring forth animal life. He did not do it directly. He created the earth to be a "life building machine." Just as evolution states, life began small and progressed over millions of years. Eventually, a primate-like creature evolved, which the "gods" made in His image, so they could commune with Him and run the show on earth. Here, God (gods) intervened in the evolution process and "upgraded" these "beasts" into spiritual beings. What we see in Gen 2 is God creating Adam directly from the ground. Not the same as the events in chapter 1. Adam and Eve then mixed with the "earth men," and here we are.
That in a nutshell is the history of man, and core message of Theistic Evolution.