If theistic evolution, how can God save a raven?

[Diamond72]

Ancient Egyptian records are generally silent

There is plenty of evidence. The Muslims just downplay or ignore the evidence. There is a conflict with Abraham's sons over their inheritance. Why would anyone ask anti semetic people for evidence of anything?

The new Jerusalam is 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles. All of the Arab continental plate. My avatar shows the northwest part where a earthquake is going to take place when Jesus returns. We can see where the fault lines are.

Zecharian 14 4 "On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south."

 

[loveofourlord]

It is not God's plan for the Lion to eat the Zebra. We are told that is the work of Satan. Because Satan is angry with God we are told that he is seeking to get God's creation to destroy itself. God wants life, health and Love. Satan wants death and destruction. John 10 10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."

really so satan has as much power to create life as god? or did only the animals that magickally had the body design to kill animals become carniverous, the problem with the whole, "Sin made animals kill each other." is sin isn't a physical thing, it's not able to create or design, so either god or satan changed the lion from a plant eater to a meat eater, along with all the body changed required for that.

 

[loveofourlord]

That is not true AT ALL. This belief is the work of atheists. An example is the Best Selling Book "Walking the Bible" where the author finds Bible evidence everywhere he goes to places we read about in the Bible. You can also view the PBS program based on the book. That is very interesting.

Why are you spreading misinformation like this?

why are you spreading missinformation? You do know 1-2 million people walking through the desert would provide FAR MORE then the paultry little bits we find, wich isn't the amount you expect from millions of people, but from nomads wandering the desert. Not again millions. Even the jews who have a huge reason to find the stuff admit it's not there.

 

[Carl Emerson]

There is plenty of evidence. The Muslims just downplay or ignore the evidence. There is a conflict with Abraham's sons over their inheritance. Why would anyone ask anti semetic people for evidence of anything?

I am referring to Archeology not folk-law or opinions.

 

[Diamond72]

I am referring to Archeology not folk-law or opinions.

Yes, of course, they have gathered and collected tons of evidence for the last 100 years. I took a class in high school and I have studied this for 50 years. There is no question that there are people who deny the truth and this is a form of blasphemy. Just like the shroud of turn. Even though science proves that this is true there are still people that deny the truth.

 

[Diamond72]

why are you spreading missinformation?

You are the one spreading misinformation on something that you know nothing about. Why do you accuse others of what you are guilty of? Maybe people need to take the beam out of their eye before they attempt to take the speck out of the eye of others.

 

[Diamond72]

There are theories suggesting that some of the Israelite encampments may have been arranged in a foot-like shape. Archaeologist Adam Zertal proposed that several ancient sites in the Jordan Valley, known as "gilgal" sites, resemble the shape of a human foot. These sites are believed to have been used during the early Israelite period, potentially serving as places of assembly, worship, and ritual.

This foot-shaped design is thought to symbolize the Israelites' journey and their relationship with the Promised Land, reflecting the biblical phrase "every place where you set your foot will be yours" (Deuteronomy 11:24).

 

[Diamond72]

really so satan has as much power to create life as god?

Satan has the POWER to kill, steal and destroy. John 10:10.

 

[loveofourlord]

You are the one spreading misinformation on something that you know nothing about. Why do you accuse others of what you are guilty of? Maybe people need to take the beam out of their eye before they attempt to take the speck out of the eye of others.

you are literally spreading misinformation, I actually listened and studied this and paid attention, there is NO EVIDENCE for 2 million or so people wandering through the desert, if you had proof you give it, rather then trying to gaslight me. And this is from again jewish archeologists and such. Provide evidence or admit your wrong.

 

[loveofourlord]

Satan has the POWER to kill, steal and destroy. John 10:10.

yes, but thats not what were talking about here, were talking about giving wolves fangs to tear animals apart and eat alive, thats hardly something that god be giving satan the power to do.

Also how did satan manage to do it so perfectly that there is no trouble in the animal kingdom with the wrong animal wanting to eat meat?

 

[Diamond72]

Provide evidence or admit your wrong.

Why because you are trying to say the Bible is not 100% accurate and true? There is always evidence IF you go to the place the Bible is talking about. This is all abundantly clear in the book: "walking the bible". For those who can not read they can watch the PBS programs on this book. They actually take the camera to these places and show you the evidence that your eyes can see.

tell me more about the archaeological sites
There are several archaeological sites that are linked to the story of the Exodus, though direct evidence is limited and often subject to interpretation. Here are some notable ones:

1. Merneptah Stele: This ancient Egyptian inscription from around 1219 B.C.E. mentions a people called "Israel" in Canaan, which some scholars interpret as evidence of the Israelites' presence after leaving Egypt.
2. Pi-Ramesse (Ramses): This was one of the store-cities built by the Israelites as slaves, according to the Bible (Exodus 1:11). Archaeological evidence suggests that Pi-Ramesse was a major city during the Ramesside period (13th-11th centuries B.C.E.).
3. Pi-Atum (Pithom): Another store-city mentioned in the Bible, Pi-Atum has been identified with archaeological sites in the Nile Delta.
4. Yam Suph (Red Sea or Reed Sea): The site where the Israelites are said to have crossed miraculously. While the exact location is debated, it is often associated with the eastern edge of the Nile Delta or the Gulf of Suez3.
5. Jebel Musa and Gebel Serbal: These sites in the Sinai Peninsula have been associated with Mount Sinai, where Moses is said to have received the Ten Commandments.
6. Avaris: An ancient city in the Nile Delta, which some scholars believe could be the biblical city of Goshen, where the Israelites lived before their exodus.

These sites provide some context and potential locations for the events described in the Exodus narrative.

I have heard this lie for years that there is no evidence and it is just not true at all. There is tons and tons and tons of evidence to show the Bible is 100% accurate and true. Every book in the world only scratches at the surface as to how accurate and true the Bible really is.

 

[Diamond72]

yes, but thats not what were talking about here, were talking about giving wolves fangs to tear animals apart and eat alive, thats hardly something that god be giving satan the power to do.

All of creation is a lesson for us to learn from. "But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another." Galations 5:15 We not only see this on this forum but also on this tread. Do you think it is God's plan for people to bite, devour and consume each other?

A very good book on this is "Hinds' Feet on High Places" by Hannah Hurnard is an allegory. The story uses symbolic characters and events to illustrate deeper spiritual truths and lessons. The protagonist, Much Afraid, embarks on a journey to the High Places, guided by the Good Shepherd. Along the way, she encounters various challenges and characters that represent different fears and struggles, all of which have allegorical meanings related to the Christian faith and spiritual growth.

Isaiah describe a future era of peace and harmony. One of the most well-known verses is Isaiah 11:6-9:

"The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea."

This passage symbolizes a future time of universal peace and the cessation of all violence, often interpreted as the coming of the Messianic age. It’s a powerful vision of a restored creation where natural enemies coexist in harmony.

 

[Diamond72]

The Bible indeed presents a vision of peace and harmony that stands in stark contrast to the conflicts we often see around us. Galatians 5:15 serves as a cautionary reminder of the destructive nature of internal strife, urging us to seek unity and love instead of discord.

"Hinds' Feet on High Places" by Hannah Hurnard beautifully illustrates the journey of overcoming fear and embracing spiritual growth, guided by faith. Much Afraid's transformation throughout the allegory is a powerful reminder of the strength and grace that can be found in relying on the divine.

Isaiah's vision of a peaceful kingdom, where natural enemies coexist harmoniously, reflects the ultimate hope for a restored creation. This imagery of universal peace and harmony resonates deeply with the idea that God’s plan is for love, unity, and reconciliation rather than division and destruction.

These teachings encourage us to strive for a world where we treat each other with kindness and respect, embodying the peace that is promised.

 

[loveofourlord]

Why because you are trying to say the Bible is not 100% accurate and true? There is always evidence IF you go to the place the Bible is talking about. This is all abundantly clear in the book: "walking the bible". For those who can not read they can watch the PBS programs on this book. They actually take the camera to these places and show you the evidence that your eyes can see.

tell me more about the archaeological sites
There are several archaeological sites that are linked to the story of the Exodus, though direct evidence is limited and often subject to interpretation. Here are some notable ones:

1. Merneptah Stele: This ancient Egyptian inscription from around 1219 B.C.E. mentions a people called "Israel" in Canaan, which some scholars interpret as evidence of the Israelites' presence after leaving Egypt.
2. Pi-Ramesse (Ramses): This was one of the store-cities built by the Israelites as slaves, according to the Bible (Exodus 1:11). Archaeological evidence suggests that Pi-Ramesse was a major city during the Ramesside period (13th-11th centuries B.C.E.).
3. Pi-Atum (Pithom): Another store-city mentioned in the Bible, Pi-Atum has been identified with archaeological sites in the Nile Delta.
4. Yam Suph (Red Sea or Reed Sea): The site where the Israelites are said to have crossed miraculously. While the exact location is debated, it is often associated with the eastern edge of the Nile Delta or the Gulf of Suez3.
5. Jebel Musa and Gebel Serbal: These sites in the Sinai Peninsula have been associated with Mount Sinai, where Moses is said to have received the Ten Commandments.
6. Avaris: An ancient city in the Nile Delta, which some scholars believe could be the biblical city of Goshen, where the Israelites lived before their exodus.

These sites provide some context and potential locations for the events described in the Exodus narrative.

I have heard this lie for years that there is no evidence and it is just not true at all. There is tons and tons and tons of evidence to show the Bible is 100% accurate and true. Every book in the world only scratches at the surface as to how accurate and true the Bible really is.

1. a mention of people isn't evidence they were slaves, there could have been a small group there but no evidence for millions leaving egypt or there.

2-6. New york is not evidence of spiderman. THey don't prove anything about the story in fact, people back then would have known about these.

Here is the actual evidence, the isrealites were cannanites that after the various citiy states fell over 600+ year period like jericho started over, here is a fun fact, the cities that were supposedly conquered by the isrealites, fell over a 600 or so period not in one fell swoop like the bible claims. This is from actual jewish scholars and archeologists who again have a skin the game to prove the stories.

 

[loveofourlord]

All of creation is a lesson for us to learn from. "But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another." Galations 5:15 We not only see this on this forum but also on this tread. Do you think it is God's plan for people to bite, devour and consume each other?

A very good book on this is "Hinds' Feet on High Places" by Hannah Hurnard is an allegory. The story uses symbolic characters and events to illustrate deeper spiritual truths and lessons. The protagonist, Much Afraid, embarks on a journey to the High Places, guided by the Good Shepherd. Along the way, she encounters various challenges and characters that represent different fears and struggles, all of which have allegorical meanings related to the Christian faith and spiritual growth.

Isaiah describe a future era of peace and harmony. One of the most well-known verses is Isaiah 11:6-9:

"The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play over the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea."

This passage symbolizes a future time of universal peace and the cessation of all violence, often interpreted as the coming of the Messianic age. It’s a powerful vision of a restored creation where natural enemies coexist in harmony.

yes future, doesn't mean the past was that way, that god is letting the zebra be killed by the lion to feed it, thats barbaric idea of god.

 

[Carl Emerson]

yes future, doesn't mean the past was that way, that god is letting the zebra be killed by the lion to feed it, thats barbaric idea of god.

Just puzzled - as a Christian how do you know your faith is real if you don't believe the Bible is reliable ???

If you don't believe the Bible is reliable how do you know what God is like or Jesus for that matter ???

 

[loveofourlord]

Just puzzled - as a Christian how do you know your faith is real if you don't believe the Bible is reliable ???

If you don't believe the Bible is reliable how do you know what God is like or Jesus for that matter ???

because my belief is in god, if I believe instead in the bible how do I know I'm correct? evolution is real a fact, undeniably a fact, so by holding the bible above it, your holding the bible above god and what he's shown to us.

 

[Diamond72]

yes future, doesn't mean the past was that way, that god is letting the zebra be killed by the lion to feed it, thats barbaric idea of god.

Buddhist monks practice purification rituals and follow a vegetarian or vegan diet to align with the principle of ahimsa (non-violence). This means they avoid consuming meat, fish, and other animal products to prevent harm to living beings1. Their diet typically consists of simple, plant-based foods like rice, vegetables, fruits, nuts, and occasionally dairy products.

There are people that argue that the cycle of life means working up though the food chain. As your elements take on a greater and higher form. Evolution says we all started out as pond scum in the beginning.

 

[Carl Emerson]

because my belief is in god

Do you believe in Jesus ?

 

[Diamond72]

not in one fell swoop like the bible claims.

The Bible is always accurate and true. Our understanding of the Bible is limited. Science helps us to better understand the word of God. He gives us both science and the Bible.