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Sabbath keeping

How are we to keep the Sabbath?

  • Stop all work unless directed from God and keep from sin

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Stop from all servile work and go to church

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Something else? If so expain

    Votes: 6 66.7%

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Hebrews 4:9 literally translates into keeping the Sabbath, which remains for God's people- because Gods people keep Gods commandments Rev 14:12 and the Sabbath is a commandment of God, thus saith the Lord Exo 20:1 Exo 20:8-11- no Greater Authority written personally by God. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56
It does not translate in keeping the weekly Sabbath. If it had been sabbaton would have been used. That's the very definition of the word.
Sabbatimos is the rest that remains, not sabbaton. It's an easy check. That's the rest that remains and is kept.

4520 Sabbatismos -" as sabbatism, the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) rest.

Sabbath in itself simply means rest but the word for the weekly Sabbath is an entirely different word altogether from sabbatimos which is sabbaton.

And Sabbaton is not in verse 9.
 
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It does not translate in keeping the weekly Sabbath. If it had been sabbaton would have been used. That's the very definition of the word.
Sabbatimos is the rest that remains, not sabbaton. It's an easy check. That's the rest that remains and is kept.
That was addressed in verse 4

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

God said:

Exo 20:10 the seventh day is the Sabbath

It can't be any clearer! This is God personally writing. There is no greater Authority.

4520 Sabbatismos -" as sabbatism, the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) rest.

Sabbath in itself simply means rest but the word for the weekly Sabbath is an entirely different word altogether from sabbatimos which is sabbaton.

And Sabbaton is not in verse 9.
Yet Strongs says this:

Its the literal interpretation of the rest in Hebrews 4:9NIV

Strong's Concordance 4520
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Hebrews 4:9 N-NMS
GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ
NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people
KJV: therefore a rest to the people
INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people

The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest (through faith) has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

When did God cease from His works?
Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Hence the commandment to also rest on the seventh day, to keep it holy Exo 20:8

And a reminder to not follow the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11 as the Israelites as we see in Eze 20:13 Eze 20:21 who never entered their rest (not the Sabbath rest) Hebrews is referring to such as Hebrews 4:1:3,5,6,7. Two rests in Hebrews 4, not one as Heb 4:10 clearly shows

In God's gospel rest there is no disobedience to His commandments, including the Sabbath commandment. There is just peace. Isa 48:18 We can't be in rebellion to God's law and be in Christ eternal rest- Rom 8:7-8. Satan disobeyed God's law and sinned and He was kicked out of heaven, doing what separated man from God Isa 59:2 is not how we reconcile with God. Rev 22:14 He gave us everything, including His only Son for our sins and asks for so little John 14:15 Exo 20:6 1 John 5:3
 
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Yet Strongs says this:
I have my Strong's Exhaustive right in front of me and it's just as I stated. It does not mean the weekly Sabbath. Different word altogether. Again, sabbaton is not in verse 9 no matter how hard you try to fit it in there.

Sabbaton

Strong's 4521- sabbaton, "the Sabbath, or day of the weekly repose from secular avocations, the interval between two sabbaths, etc.

Sabbatimos is a Sabbath rest, yet but not the weekly Sabbath rest.

This word is only used on time in the entire NT which should make us sit up and take notice that it's a completely different type of rest than the weekly Sabbath.

Strong's Exhaustive makes that very clear-

4521-4520 Sabbatismos -" as sabbatism, the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) rest.

Again, verse 9 does not translate to keeping the weekly Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

God said:

Exo 20:10 the seventh day is the Sabbath

It can't be any clearer!
The example is that rest follows works.

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."
 
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I have my Strong's Exhaustive right in front of me and it's just as I stated. It does not mean the weekly Sabbath. Different word altogether. Again, sabbaton is not in verse 9 no matter how hard you try to fit it in there.

Sabbaton

Strong's 4521- sabbaton, "the Sabbath, or day of the weekly repose from secular avocations, the interval between two sabbaths, etc.

Sabbatimos is a Sabbath rest, yet but not the weekly Sabbath rest.

This word is only used on time in the entire NT which should make us sit up and take notice that it's a completely different type of rest than the weekly Sabbath.

Strong's Exhaustive makes that very clear-

4521-4520 Sabbatismos -" as sabbatism, the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) rest.

Again, verse 9 does not translate to keeping the weekly Sabbath.


The example is that rest follows works.

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."
The exhaustive takes into consideration of possibilities.

Strongs concordance is the literal interpretation, which works in harmony with the rest of the scriptures, because no one has the authority to countermand God, not even the apostles-they were servants of God Rom 1:1 and a servant is never greater than the Master John 13:16- why they still kept every Sabbath day decades after the Cross Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4


Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

What is the Sabbath rest according to scripture
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

What is the Sabbath according to scripture:

God said:

Exo 20:10 the seventh day is the Sabbath

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

I do believe it has a second meaning of a heavenly rest- in God's rest there is no rebellion or disobedience to His commandments, why He says this...

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

It's conditional. God's heavenly rest has no rebellion to Him, including the Sabbath commandment- there is just peace.

We see this in Revelation as well

Rev 22:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

The antidote:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

What faith did Jesus have? Did He keep the Sabbath and the commandments and teach us to- He sure did Luke 4:16 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 5:19-30. He is our example to follow 1 John 2:6
The example is that rest follows works.

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

Yes. God worked 6 days Genesis 1 and ended His work on the seventh day. He said the seventh day three times

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Which is exactly what we are to do in the Sabbath commandment

Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work:

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy Thus saith the Lord.


This argument is not really with me. The weekly Sabbath is part of Creation week and God takes us back there Exo 20:8-11 because He never wants us to forget where we came from and who created us. Its the other spirit who teaches us to forget or that we can edit His commandment, not God Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18


Guess we will have to agree to disagree. All will get sorted out soon enough, but wouldn't it be sad if God really does want us to rest according to His commandment just like His faithful and apostles did. but we listened to the popular crowd forgetting something God told us not to.
 
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Guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Yes, it looks like it.

but wouldn't it be sad if God really does want us to rest
Hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 4:8 "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of another day."


We know this to be Joshua. But if he had been able to give them rest, there would not have been spoken of another day.

Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

Sabbatimos, not sabbaton. The weekly Sabbath is not in this verse.

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."



It starts with his rest in verse 1 and ends in his rest.

Hebrews 4:11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, least any man fall after the same example of unbelief."

What rest? His rest as stated in verse 10. That is the rest that remains and the rest that we enter into.

Believe me if verse 9 stated we should be keeping the Sabbaton, I would certainly think differently. But they are two entirely different words with different meanings. One is a sabbath rest, the repose of all Christianity the other is the weekly Sabbath.

The word was taught in the temples by the apostles/disciples because many still followed the Sabbath but that in no way implies that they did not believe as Hebrews teaches about sabbatimos vs sabbaton. In fact we are told not to be judged by days, etc.
 
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Yes, it looks like it.


Hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 4:8 "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of another day."


We know this to be Joshua. But if he had been able to give them rest, there would not have been spoken of another day.

Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

Sabbatimos, not sabbaton. The weekly Sabbath is not in this verse.

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

It starts with his rest in verse 1 and ends in his rest.

Hebrews 4:11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, least any man fall after the same example of unbelief."

What rest? His rest as stated in verse 10. That is the rest that remains and the rest that we enter into.
Already addressed- two rests not one. Christs rest that we enter through faith, the Sabbath that the faithful keep according the commandment Luke 23:56 which God said is the seventh day. Exo 20:10 Those with faith enter Christ rest and also cease from their works as God did on the seventh day Heb 4:4,10, honoring the Sabbath and the Lord’s holy day and honoring God thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13

The author of Hebrews does not have the authority to change even a dot of an i or cross of a t to one of God's finger-written commandments because they are not God. No where in Hebrews 4 says we can break the Sabbath commandment or that is morphed into something else and we should ignore what God said.
 
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No where in Hebrews 4 says we can break the Sabbath commandment or that is morphed into
That's where we differ because many as you know believe that sabbatimos is that rest that remains and when one is entering that rest they are in essence keeping the sabbath holy. We rest from our works by entering in his rest just as God rested from his. You and others are fixated on the weekly Sabbath/Sabbaton. But again, it is not in verse 9. So that is definitely not the rest that remains. You can keep glossing over the definition of Sabbaton but it's not going to change the fact that it's not the rest that remains.

You also do not believe this verse is about the weekly Sabbath, but Sabbaton is in this verse which means the weekly Sabbath.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Sabbath in this verse -

4521-sabbaton- the Sabbath or day of weekly repose from secular avocations, etc.

That's the word in this verse. No doubt about it. And yet you and others are constantly judging on this subject.
 
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That's where we differ because many as you know believe that sabbatimos is that rest that remains and when one is entering that rest they are in essence keeping the sabbath holy. We rest from our works by entering in his rest just as God rested from his. You and others are fixated on the weekly Sabbath/Sabbaton. But again, it is not in verse 9. So that is definitely not the rest that remains. You can keep glossing over the definition of Sabbaton but it's not going to change the fact that it's not the rest that remains.

You also do not believe this verse is about the weekly Sabbath, but Sabbaton is in this verse which means the weekly Sabbath.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Sabbath in this verse -

4521-sabbaton- the Sabbath or day of weekly repose from secular avocations, etc.

That's the word in this verse. No doubt about it. And yet you and others are constantly judging on this subject.
Again, no apostles have the authority to countermand God.

There is more than one Sabbath in the scripture. The weekly Sabbath, that is a commandment of God, written on the Authority of God by God's own finger, that is holy and blessed by God. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 and there is no thus saith the Lord about not keeping the Sabbath commandment - He states the opposite, most Sabbath teachings are directly from God. There are also the yearly sabbath(s) that have to do with food and drink, came after the fall, are ordinances written by the hand of Moses placed outside the ark as a witness against Deut 31:24-26

Paul went out of His way to ensure people would not confusion these sabbath(s) the context is in verse 14 that no one ever quotes for some strange reason

Col 2:1414 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Is this the context of the weekly Sabbath according to scriptures?

Is the Sabbath an ordinance?
God calls it part of My commandments right in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:6


Is the Sabbath handwritten?
Exodus 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The finger is not the hand.

Is the Sabbath against and contrary- what does God say:
Exo 20:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
Holy, Blessed and sanctified is not the definition of contrary and against.

There is nothing in the weekly Sabbath that has to do with food, drink, new moons or sabbath(s)- the weekly Sabbath is the Sabbath day Exo 20:10 the holy day of the Lord, My holy day Isa 58:13

Plus the weekly Sabbath according to God can't be a shadow of anything as He points us right back to Creation- Remember the Sabbath day from Creation Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God never wants us to forget where we came from or Who created us. Thats the other spirit who tells us we don't have to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, not God. God said the opposite.

Obviously the context doesn't fit, but what is sad is people don't care. Covering our sins and staying in darkness is not going to help anyone Pro 28:13 John 3:18-20 we are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psa 119:151


Col 2:14-17 is referring to the annual sabbath(s) and sacrificial offerings that came after the fall, that have to do with food, drink that are ordinances handwritten by Moses2 Chronicles 33:8 , that were placed outside the ark as a witness against Deut 31:24-26 that all pointed forward to Christ. Heb 10:1-22 1 Cor 5:7 The weekly Sabbath was part of God's perfect plan before sin entered. The yearly sabbath(s) was added after the fall of man. Not the same sabbath.

Such a sad teaching taken out of context just like we are warned would happen 2 Peter 3:16. The weekly Sabbath is always connected to the God of Creation Exo 20:11 and Remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy shows, we are ones of God's people Eze 20:20, We depend on Him, the only God that can sanctify us Eze 20:12 but sadly, many depend on their own sanctification instead.
 
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That's where we differ because many as you know believe that sabbatimos is that rest that remains and when one is entering that rest they are in essence keeping the sabbath holy.
Yet God said this:

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It’s like He had the foresight people would make all these strange arguments about His commandments, mainly the Sabbath hence why He said to Remember- yet most teach to forget or can be edited. A little bit of yeast spreads through the whole batch. Gal 5:9 no wonder we were told not to add to or take from God’s commandments Deut 4:2 Pro 3:5-6

It doesn't matter what I or you say because we are not God, did God or Jesus ever teach we can alter His finger-written commandments as if we are above Him. Not once.

No one enters His rest through disobedience, the whole point of Hebrews 3 and 4 Heb 3:7-8, Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11. We enter through faith. Those with faith uphold God’s law Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12. The way He stated because He is God the Creator and we are to be His faithful servants, the creation. Living by His every Word Mat 4:4 Just as His faithful in scripture did Luke 23:56 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 following the example of Jesus Luke 4:16 our Savior who showed us the WAY. 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15
 
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Col 2:14-17 is referring to the annual sabbath
That's not what the word sabbath in that verse means. It's most definitely the weekly Sabbath -sabbaton. The other days in that verse are already separated from the sabbath days.

There is nothing in the weekly Sabbath that has to do with food, drink, new moons
Which is why it's separated from those other holy days and new moons but also included. It states, "or". And festival feasts were never called Sabbath days.

Have you even looked up the word sabbath and see how it's utilized in this verse and translate it back? If you had, you would see it's the weekly sabbath. We can't just change the manuscripts to suit our doctrine.

The weekly Sabbath
The weekly Sabbath as I've stated more than once is sabbaton. Sabbaton is not in Hebrews 4:9 but is in Col 2:16. which Paul in the very next verse states was a shadow of things to come.

And again, you are judging people about the sabbaton/sabbath. Which no one is to do.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
And Christ states that all of the law hangs on two commandments now. Loving God with "all your heart, mind and soul and loving your neighbor as yourself. That means we love and honor God 24/7, not one day of the week. We enter that sabbatimos rest which is the rest that remains, therefore one is keeping the Sabbath (rest) holy. We don't worship a day, we worship our Father through Christ.

Sabbath was created for rest. Just as God rested after his work, when we enter Christ's rest, we cease from ours.
 
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That's not what the word sabbath in that verse means. It's most definitely the weekly Sabbath -sabbaton. The other days in that verse are already separated from the sabbath days.
Which is why it's separated from those other holy days and new moons but also included. It states, "or". And festival feasts were never called Sabbath days.

Have you even looked up the word sabbath and see how it's utilized in this verse and translate it back? If you had, you would see it's the weekly sabbath. We can't just change the manuscripts to suit our doctrine.


The weekly Sabbath as I've stated more than once is sabbaton. Sabbaton is not in Hebrews 4:9 but is in Col 2:16. which Paul in the very next verse states was a shadow of things to come.

And again, you are judging people about the sabbaton/sabbath. Which no one is to do.
It’s plural, not singular sabbath(s)

b. plural, τά σαββάτων (for the singular) of a single sabbath, sabbath-day(the use of the plural being occasioned either by the plural names of festivals

There are seven annual holy days, festivals, three that are called sabbath(s)
1. Feasts of Trumpets (Lev 23:24) or
2. Day of Atonement (Lev 23:32 or
3. Feast of Booths (Lev 23:39)


Albert Barnes Notes on the Bible

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states:
“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary.

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

The annual sabbath(s) festivals came after sin, the weekly Sabbath started at Creation and is part of God’s perfect plan before sin. So impossible for the weekly Sabbath to be a shadow as it connects to Christ at Creation which is eternal Exo 20:11. The God of Creation is the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7

The context Paul provided shows the sabbath(s) he is referring to that was handwritten, ordinances, contrary and against.

Which is not the weekly Sabbath that is a commandment, finger written by God that is holy and blessed.

The weekly Sabbath never ended at the cross thus saith Jesus- shouldn’t He be the final say? He said the Sabbath would be kept by His faithful decades after His Cross at the fall of Jerusalem Mat 24:20 which also has a future application to end times.

So either one is not understanding Pauls teachings like we are told would happen or we can’t trust Jesus at His Word Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18, I am going with the warning we have about Pauls writing 2 Peter 3:16 because he is not god and does not have the authority to countermand one of God’s commandment that he himself kept every Sabbath decades after the cross. Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44
And Christ states that all of the law hangs on two commandments now. Loving God with "all your heart, mind and soul and loving your neighbor as yourself. That means we love and honor God 24/7, not one day of the week. We enter that sabbatimos rest which is the rest that remains, therefore one is keeping the Sabbath (rest) holy. We don't worship a day, we worship our Father through Christ.

Sabbath was created for rest. Just as God rested after his work, when we enter Christ's rest, we cease from ours.
All of God’s Word hangs on love to God and love to neighbor.
If we love God- we would not break His commandments including keeping the Sabbath the way He wrote it, because He is God and He said He would not alter His Words, not a jot or tittle can pass. I worship God everyday, but that doesn't give us a pass to break one of His commandments.
 
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Good morning!
You wrote,
'From the research I did you can set a time for yourself, lets say from 7 pm on Friday until 7 pm Saturday. You still abide by local time and that does not change, simply use the local time as your reference. This would allow you to follow the sabbath as intended by God.'
When I work in Utquiagviv, ( Barrow), Can I just decide when I want the Sabbath to start and end? Is this not changing God’s law?
To me this seems no different than what the Pope claims he did, (Change the time for the Sabbath to begin and end) God is very clear in several scriptures, the Sabbath begins at Sundown Friday evening and ends at sundown Saturday evening.
What about kindling a fire? Obviously I would die if I did not kindle a fire and buy utilities all month. Seems like more questions than answers if we really keep the Sabbath as clearly spelled out by God Without changing it to suit our desires or geography and I have never seen anyone actually keep the Sabbath exactly as God said, Never. And I don’t believe anyone actually does.
you do not have to follow the sabbath with complications like the pharisees did, Jesus did scold them for adding to his laws.

Do you follow a normal 24 hour cycle like everyone else on the planet? you must have set times for going to work, eating breakfast, lunch and supper? I have known people in Europe with the same problem and they all have a watch and live normally, why cant you do the same? cant you see the absurdity of anyone so close to the poles following sunlight to establish sabbath times? By doing so you would not have a normal 7 day cycle and would not be able to follow the fourth commandment. Selecting a regular time for you whether it is 6 pm, 7 pm or 9 pm to set the sabbath time is the only way to honour God's sabbath, you do not have a choice in the matter if you want to follow through, Do you Think God unjust and not understanding your situation? he knows all this, it is written he know how many hear we all have on our heads, He knows everything, please trust in him and select a time and simply do it. Keep it simple do not leet the sabbath be a burden, once set up you will enjoy, just give yourself some time to adjust.

if you prefer, please contact a community who follow the sabbath around your location and see how they do it, I believe there is not much choice.

Blessings.
 
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That's where we differ because many as you know believe that sabbatimos is that rest that remains and when one is entering that rest they are in essence keeping the sabbath holy. We rest from our works by entering in his rest just as God rested from his. You and others are fixated on the weekly Sabbath/Sabbaton. But again, it is not in verse 9. So that is definitely not the rest that remains. You can keep glossing over the definition of Sabbaton but it's not going to change the fact that it's not the rest that remains.

You also do not believe this verse is about the weekly Sabbath, but Sabbaton is in this verse which means the weekly Sabbath.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Sabbath in this verse -

4521-sabbaton- the Sabbath or day of weekly repose from secular avocations, etc.

That's the word in this verse. No doubt about it. And yet you and others are constantly judging on this subject.
what about what God says on the subject? ;

Deu 5:29 Oh that they had such a heart as this always, to fear me and to keep all my commandments, that it might go well with them and with their descendants forever!

Peace.
 
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From the research I did you can set a time for yourself, lets say from 7 pm on Friday until 7 pm Saturday. You still abide by local time and that does not change, simply use the local time as your reference. This would allow you to follow the sabbath as intended by God.


the sabbath time unfortunately was changed a long time ago but it was wrong to go against God and do so. He did choose a time that coincides with the creation in genesis ( 7 day week ) we have to do His will not ours.

Many will say or think the sabbath is not important but GOD did set it apart as a sign between us and Him.



These that you mentioned;
"they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."" are from the old law of Moses and was in part for the Jews, but these also mentioned we the gentiles were asked to follow.

The 10 Commandments are distinct, they are called the Moral laws and are eternal it is why they were written by the finger of God on a permanent medium ( stone) and placed in the Ark of the covenant. These are the covenant, the Ten commandments for which the fourth commandments includes the sabbath.

The 10 commandments are, as it is written, not burdensome. you simply need to find a convenient time for you and your family.


Not following the sabbath is a change of the Laws, try your best, God is very understanding and will certainly guide you.

if you have any more questions I will gladly answer.

Be blessed.

You wrote,'

From the research I did you can set a time for yourself, lets say from 7 pm on Friday until 7 pm Saturday'This would really freak me out!

I am in no why qualified to set a time when God made it abundantly clear when the Sabbath starts and ends. I will NOT decide what God has already made clear.

you wrote
You seem to be following similar to what the Pharisees were doing, who accused Jesus and the apostles for not keeping their sabbath, which was full of rules and regulations, instead of the blessing and delight it is meant to be Isa 58:13-14 Isa 56:2 Jesus never broke the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments, but the sabbath of the Pharisees- which are not the same. Nothing in the Sabbath commandment we have to stay in darkness all Sabbath day.
Hopefully you don’t mind if I respectfully disagree, that is the exact opposite of what I am doing, I refuse to add man made rules and regulations (add my own interpretation of when the Sabbath begins and ends) to what God said. Romans 2:1-2 makes it clear, if I judge others and do the same, I will not escape the judgement of God.
Yes, the Pharisees had the problem of adding and taking away, that I don’t want to do. Especially when God so clearly spelled it out.
I still have not seen anyone keeping the Sabbath as God spelled it out, without adding to and taking from. And I don’t think anyone does. Not anyone.
 
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what about what God says on the subject? ;

Deu 5:29 Oh that they had such a heart as this always, to fear me and to keep all my commandments, that it might go well with them and with their descendants forever!

Peace.
Again, Christ states we can hang all the commandments on loving God with all your heart, soul and mind and loving your neighbor as yourself. You might not believe that Christ became our rest but many do. Sabbatimos is not the same thing as sabbaton as I've already stated. And that's the rest that remained for the people. Only Christ can give us rest at this time. Sabbaton (the weekly sabbath) as Paul states was only a shadow of thing things to come.
It’s plural, not singular sabbath(s)
Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Again, this is the weekly sabbath, it's 4521. Sabbaton. Whether days or not has been added it's still the 7th day, the weekly repose, etc. Paul includes the weekly sabbath along with the holy days. That's why he's separating them.

Which Paul states in the next verse was a shadow of things to come.

If you want to esteem the day, that's fine with me. But we are to labor to enter His rest (sabbatimos)

II Corinthians 3:3 "For as much as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone but in fleshy tables of the heart."

II Corinthians 3:4 "And such trust have we through Christ to Godward:"

II Corinthians 3:5 "Not that we are sufficient of our selves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;"

II Corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


II Corinthians 3:7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not
stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:"

II Corinthians 3:8 "How shall not the ministration of spirit be rather glorious?"

II Corinthians 3:9 "For if the minstration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.?

II Corinthians 3:10 "For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth."

II Corinthians 3:11 "For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
 
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Again, Christ states we can hang all the commandments on loving God with all your heart, soul and mind and loving your neighbor as yourself. You might not believe that Christ became our rest but many do. Sabbatimos is not the same thing as sabbaton as I've already stated. And that's the rest that remained for the people. Only Christ can give us rest at this time. Sabbaton (the weekly sabbath) as Paul states was only a shadow of thing things to come.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Again, this is the weekly sabbath, it's 4521. Sabbaton. Whether days or not has been added it's still the 7th day, the weekly repose, etc. Paul includes the weekly sabbath along with the holy days. That's why he's separating them.

Which Paul states in the next verse was a shadow of things to come.

If you want to esteem the day, that's fine with me. But we are to labor to enter His rest (sabbatimos)
Hard to love God with all our heart, soul and might by not doing what He in His own Words says is doing righteousness and loving His name (loving Him), and His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142. God's sheep hear His voice and follow Him ( are doers of His Word James 1:22) just like the example He showed us Luke 4:16 John 15:10 we are told to follow 1 John 2:6

Paul has no authority over God, he can't reverse God's blessing Num 23:20, he is the creation, God is the Creator and no wonder why we have this warning. 2 Peter 3:16. If one is going to edit one of God's finger-written commandments I would want a thus saith the Lord attached. In all of scripture there are many thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath, none say we can edit or should no longer keep His Sabbath day holy. My faith is in what Jesus says- He changes not and says to live by His every Word Mat 4:4 , but we have free will.

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And
to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Isa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.


Christ in His own Words associates those who does this (keeping His Sabbath) as those who do righteousness, love His name, join themselves to Him, are His servants- He says its the day to honor Him Isa 58:13 how He sanctifies us Eze 20:12 and that we know He is our God and we are His people Eze 20:20 sad people toss these promises aside for out of context verses from Paul that not even he believed because he also faithfully kept every Sabbath decades after the cross just as Jesus indicated His faithful would Mat 24:20.
 
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No, in verse 1 the word rest simply means just that -rest, abode. And it is specifically talking about entering into "His rest" That's the rest we enter into, that's who we abode with. That's the subject. Which is actually continuing from chapter 3 and unbelief and entering in that rest. You yourself are inserting that rest is the gospel. You can't just change definitions of words.

Hebrews 4:1 "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

Verse 3 is simply stating that when we do believe we enter into that rest. It does not state that the gospel is the rest. Many could not enter into that rest because of unbelief of the gospel.

Hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."
Yes and this rest is called the Gospel in verse 2.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Verse 3 is still speaking of this rest which is the Gospel but adds that we believers are entering into it. And verse 3 mentions that the works for this rest which is the Gospel were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Verse 4 with the word for. It gives the reason why he stated that the works for this rest which he calls the Gospel were finished from the foundation of the world. He said "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works."

God rested from all His works on the Seventh Day and part of that was the work for our salvation which is the rest which is the Gospel.

Verse 5 starts with the clause, "In this again".

So that begs the question, In this again what?

The answer to that is in verse 4. And it is that He speaks, of the seventh day on this wise. And God did rest from al His works.

And He speaks this again if we enter into His rest which is the Gospel.

So How did He speak it.
He spoke as one of the commandments in that certain place on Mt Sinai.



Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Hebrews 4:9 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."

The word for rest here is entirely different word for the usual word for sabbath and has a different meaning altogether. The words are together in the Greek- The word for rest in this verse is

4520 Sabbatismos -" as sabbatism, the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) rest.

It is not the word for the weekly sabbath.
That is not the definition of the word. You need to stop repeating yourself because you are repeating an error.

From Dobson's work- G4520
σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Noun, Masculine
a Sabbath rest

Abbott Smith's work-
G4520
*† σαββατισμός, -οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exo 16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb 4:9.†

The BDAG-σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ (σαββατίζω; Plut., Mor. 166a cj.; Just., D. 23, 3) sabbath rest, sabbath observance....

The LSJ-Σαββᾰτ-ισμός , ὁ , a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Hebr. 4.9 , cf. Plu. 2.166a (codd., βαπτισμούς Bentley).

When Strongs or any lexicon uses the word figurative it is a subjective opinion of how that word is to be used not what the objective definition of the word. They should not do this. When they do they go from being a lexicon to being theological study and people get confused and take what they cited as a definition. When in fact in this case it is just an opinion. The BDAG dd it also in there citation. I left it out but will post it below so you can see there use of the word figurative also.

G4520 σαββατισμός sabbatismos (sab-ba-tiz-mos') n.
1. a “sabbatism.”
2. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven).


The BDAG-fig. Hb 4:9 a special period of rest for God’s people modeled after the tradi- tional sabbath (CBarrett, CHDodd Festschr. ’56, 371f [eschat.]). —S. on κατάπαυσις HWeiss, CBQ 58, ’96, 674–89. M-M. TW.


What they are missing in their theological stance is that; as Heb 4:5 makes a distinction of two things, in that it says that He speaks again of the Seventh Day if we shall enter into His Rest which is the Gospel. SO does Hebrews 4:10.

We see this with the word also being used in verse 10. The text literally says that we who have entered into his rest which is the Gospel also cease from our own works as God did from His. Also implies two things not one.

Couple that with the fact that we who have entered into the rest cease from our own work AS God did. AS is a direct comparrison. So unless you are stating that God is resting in Christ Jesus as we are. And I know you are not. Then the only other way to see this is that we do as God did. And He that spake of the Seventh Day Spake in this way, And God did rest from all His Works on the Seventh Day.

All this was explain in the quote you responded too. Not sure why you don't see it.


4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
 
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All this was explain in the quote you responded too. Not sure why you don't see it.

4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God
4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
All we can do it pray.

Good post Him!
 
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Hopefully you don’t mind if I respectfully disagree, that is the exact opposite of what I am doing, I refuse to add man made rules and regulations (add my own interpretation of when the Sabbath begins and ends) to what God said. Romans 2:1-2 makes it clear, if I judge others and do the same, I will not escape the judgement of God.
Yes, the Pharisees had the problem of adding and taking away, that I don’t want to do. Especially when God so clearly spelled it out.
I still have not seen anyone keeping the Sabbath as God spelled it out, without adding to and taking from. And I don’t think anyone does. Not anyone.
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Yes and this rest is called the Gospel in verse 2.
It is not called the gospel. I would state the same for you. You can keep repeating this but it is most definitely in error. Rest in verse 1 is simply that, just rest/abode- His rest. You as I stated have changed it to mean the gospel. It's hard to take your posts serious when you do this right from the start.

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

Nowhere does this verse say that this rest is called the gospel. You are changing God's word.

Hebrews 4:3 "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, if they shall enter into My rest:" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

We don't enter into a gospel. We believe the gospel and therefore enter into that rest. That is what the scripture states. Not that the gospel is rest.
That is not the definition of the word. You need to stop repeating yourself because you are repeating an error

It's has just as much the same meaning as what you have presented -just different works. As I stated before sabbath in itself is rest. The key is what is the rest that remains in verse 9.

Strong's Concordance
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.


Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4520: σαββατισμός

σαββατισμός, σαββατισμου, ὁ (σαββατίζω to keep the sabbath);
1. a keeping sabbath.

2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians (R. V. sabbath rest): Hebrews 4:9. (Plutarch, de superstit. c. 3; ecclesiastical writings.)

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
rest.
From a derivative of sabbaton; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven) -- rest.

We know that it is a sabbath rest and that it's a keeping of that rest. But we also know what it is not. It is not the keeping of the weekly Sabbath. That's an entirely different word altogether that people like to gloss over. Sabbatimos is not Sabbaton. And yes, I will keep repeating that because it's the truth. Sabbatimos is only used this one time and that's because it is a different type of rest-separate from the weekly sabbath.

Sabbaton is not the rest in Hebrews 4:9, no matter how you and others want to fit it in there, it's the sabbatimos that remains. And what does verse 1 start with? His rest. What does verse 10 end with? His rest. God resting after his works is the example that after we enter into His rest we cease from our own. And to labor to enter into that rest lest some fail as well because of unbelief. That's the entire subject, the entire context.

It is not to enforce the weekly Sabbath, that is not the subject. The subject is people failing to enter into His rest because of unbelief after hearing the gospel. And that those believed did enter in. And if Joshua having led them into the promised land could have given them rest there would be no need for another day. But a rest remained -not sabbaton but, sabbatimos. When we enter into His rest, we cease from our works as God did his. That's the example.

Context matters and these verses are all about this verse in the end-

Hebrews 4:11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, least any man fall after the same example of unbelief."




 
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