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Sabbath keeping

How are we to keep the Sabbath?

  • Stop all work unless directed from God and keep from sin

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Stop from all servile work and go to church

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Something else? If so expain

    Votes: 6 66.7%

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I am curious why you won’t answer my questions?
Do you flip a light switch, start a car and buy/use utilities on the Sabbath?
It’s been answered more than once.
Sabbath keeping

I’m not going to continue answering the same questions- you think there’s not a way to keep the Sabbath commandment and thats a choice- I have faith in Christ that when He gives a commandment He gives His faithful a way to obey. Our judgement means nothing, just like the Pharisees and church leaders of Christs days were so wrong sneaking around Jesus and His apotles hoping they could accuse them of breaking the Sabbath, because they never understood the Sabbath to begin with and if one did, not the questions one would be asking.

Guses It will get sorted out soon enough.

Take care.
 
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No amount of effort will ever convince me Michael morphed into Jesus.
Just jumping back on here to say yes, agree with your post about Michael. Especially about Hebrews 1 and even just this one verse alone as well tells us Michael is not Christ.

Daniel 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Christ is not "one of anything" and would never be described as such. He is the One. And it's lowercase as well. So definitely not Christ.

Compare with this verse in the previous chapter-

Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times.

And then paired with the rest of the Word -we know Christ is on the right hand of God at this moment, And we also know from Revelation that while it is the angels voices that do sound the trumpets we also know Christ is not one of them.
 
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Where have angles ever been called prince in scripture?

Jesus is called prince Dan 9:25. Isa 9:6 Acts 5:30-31 Rev 1:5 Not angles. Where are angels worshipped in scripture. Jesus rebukes this Luke 4:8

For the record as stated more than once SDA’s do not believe Jesus is a created angel. Jesus is God. The Creator. Lord of lords King of kings. He goes by many titles. Lamb is one of them, doesn’t make Him a created animal . One thing He never turned into though is the Sabbath day, a commandment. Those were given for us to keep through faith and love. :heartpulse: Isa 56:1-6 John 14:15 Rev 14:12
 
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Where have angles ever been called prince in scripture?
Jesus is called prince
Jesus is called The Prince, Prince, etc.

Michael is called "one of the chief princes" Lower case. Much different than Christ being called "The Prince". Archangels are chief angels. Stands to reason that chief prince, lower case would be lower than Christ but still a chief in itself.

He's the one that contends with Satan and his angels, when we take the bible as a whole.

Daniel 10:21 "But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things but Michael your prince." -

Again, lower case, huge distinction.


Christ is called just that in Revelation -Jesus Christ. No reason to call him Michael and if he were I'm sure it would be stated as such in the NT. It is not. We see the many names of Satan in Revelation 12 though. But not one verse in the entire bible calls Michael- Jesus Christ.

But it's pointless to continue, I was just posting to EJM that I agreed.

As you state, it will work itself out...
 
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The Parable of the Blind Gardener

In a certain village, there was a gardener known for his devotion to his craft. He spent his days tending to his garden, which was his pride and joy. One day, a renowned and charismatic stranger arrived in the village. This stranger spoke with great authority and claimed to have discovered new ways to cultivate the land that would yield greater harvests and more vibrant flowers. His words were smooth and his promises grand.

The gardener, intrigued by the stranger's confident speech, chose to follow his guidance. The stranger instructed him to plant his seeds in a way that went against the long-established practices that had always borne good fruit. “Use these new methods,” the stranger said, “and your garden will surpass all others.”

Despite the advice of the village elder, who reminded the gardener of the wisdom passed down through generations, the gardener was captivated by the stranger’s persuasive charm. He discarded the old methods and followed the stranger’s new, untested approach.

As the seasons changed, the gardener’s garden began to show signs of trouble. The plants withered, the flowers lost their grandeur, and the once-bountiful harvests became sparse. Yet, the gardener, stubborn and proud, refused to believe that the stranger’s teachings could be at fault. He continued to blame the soil, the weather, and even the seeds themselves, but he never questioned the wisdom of the stranger.

One day, the village elder visited the garden and saw its decline. He spoke gently to the gardener, saying, “The methods you follow are not true. I have seen the results of the stranger's teachings elsewhere, and they lead only to barren fields and empty promises. Return to the wisdom that has proven to nurture and sustain the land.”

The gardener, however, was unwilling to admit his mistake. “I cannot change now,” he said. “To do so would be to admit that I have been wrong all this time. I must be patient and wait for the stranger’s methods to show their worth.”

The seasons continued to pass, and while the gardener’s pride kept him from seeing the truth, the garden remained barren and unfruitful.

Blessed are those who heed the wisdom of the tried and true, and who do not let their pride blind them to the truth. For those who follow false teachings, even when the evidence is clear, will find themselves in a land of desolation.

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I can’t get a answer out of SB so maybe you can answer. (Which makes it highly likely she does but won’t admit it) Do you turn on the lights, start your car, buy/ use utilities, internet and etc on Sabbath?
 
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Just jumping back on here to say yes, agree with your post about Michael. Especially about Hebrews 1 and even just this one verse alone as well tells us Michael is not Christ.

Daniel 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Christ is not "one of anything" and would never be described as such. He is the One. And it's lowercase as well. So definitely not Christ.

Compare with this verse in the previous chapter-

Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times.

And then paired with the rest of the Word -we know Christ is on the right hand of God at this moment, And we also know from Revelation that while it is the angels voices that do sound the trumpets we also know Christ is not one of them.
Hi Julie, let’s meet at Jesus feet on that glorious day, and until then, keep the Faith!
(the faith of Jesus the King of Kings, not Michael)
 
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The Sabbath issue can be resolved in one simple verse.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Word/Phrase/SentenceClear Meaning
RememberWe are commanded not to forget the Sabbath day.
The Sabbath dayA direct reference to the day of rest.
To keep it holyThe keeping of the Sabbath is the observance of the Sabbath.
Proper observance of the Sabbath is to keep it holy.

This should be clear as day (pun intended). If there is any question, it is answered in the next two verses.

Exodus 20:9-10 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.

Word/Phrase/SentenceClear Meaning
Six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work.Six days are allocated to all work.
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy GodThe ultimate authoritative statement concerning the Sabbath day. It is to be observed and kept holy.
In it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gatesDo no work on the Sabbath day.

Why?

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Word/Phrase/SentenceClear Meaning
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.Our creator worked six literal days to create heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is. He rested the seventh day as an example to man. He blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it (made it holy).

Facts...

What Jesus never said:
  • Jesus never said, "Forget what I commanded you to remember."
  • Jesus never said, "The Sabbath is now Sunday."
  • Jesus never said, "I am no longer the Lord of the Sabbath."
  • Jesus never said, "I am the Sabbath."
  • Jesus never said, "Sabbath observance at creation was just for Adam and Eve."
  • Jesus never said, "The Sabbath is no longer made for man."
  • Jesus never said, "The Sabbath commandment was only for the Jews."
What Jesus said:
  • Jesus said, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
  • Jesus said, "Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"
  • Jesus said, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."
  • Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
  • Jesus said, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
And we haven't even touched on the Sabbath day being commemorated as a perpetual covenant and a sign (a mark, a seal).

Conclusion: We are to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
 
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Jesus is called The Prince, Prince, etc.

Michael is called "one of the chief princes" Lower case. Much different than Christ being called "The Prince". Archangels are chief angels. Stands to reason that chief prince, lower case would be lower than Christ but still a chief in itself.

He's the one that contends with Satan and his angels, when we take the bible as a whole.

Daniel 10:21 "But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things but Michael your prince." -

Again, lower case, huge distinction.


Christ is called just that in Revelation -Jesus Christ. No reason to call him Michael and if he were I'm sure it would be stated as such in the NT. It is not. We see the many names of Satan in Revelation 12 though. But not one verse in the entire bible calls Michael- Jesus Christ.

But it's pointless to continue, I was just posting to EJM that I agreed.

As you state, it will work itself out...
I asked where does scripture ever call angels prince? The greatest prince as if a created angel could be greater than Jesus. Where are angels ever worshiped. I didn’t see these two points addressed.

Capitalizations came from humans. For example in Col 2:16 in the NKJV it is lower case s for sabbaths. In the commandment it’s a capital S Exo 20:8 to distinguish the differences between the annual feast day sabbaths that came after the fall of man and the Sabbath- weekly commandment- the holy day of the Lord thy God. Isa 58:13 that started at Creation Exo 20:11 The KJV for example, doesn’t do this.

Anyway we don’t have to agree. That’s ok. :)
 
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I asked where does scripture ever call angels prince?
Ephesians 2:2 "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"

John 14:30 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me."

Satan is often called the ruler of this world and that's another word for prince -ruler.

And whether you believe it or not, Michael is called "one of the chief princes". Princes being plural. Prince simply means, chief, ruler, etc. Of course that word can be utilized for archangels. Especially when the word means chief angel. We know Michael is described as an archangel and we see in this verse below that there are more than one, meaning there are more archangels and he is but one of them.

Daniel 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia

Christ would never be described as one of the chief princes. He is the prince.

And scripture does not state Michael is another name for Christ. You keep asking for scriptures but have never provided one that states that.

Jude would never all of the sudden call Christ Michael. Especially after calling Christ just that -Jesus Christ through the entire letter. Why would he change gears and all of the sudden call him Michael? God is not the author of confusion.

Jude 1 "Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:"

Jude 4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."



And why would Christ's own Revelation call himself Michael? He wouldn't. He is not described as such. He is always described as Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

Revelation 1:2 "Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw."
 
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Ephesians 2:2 "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"

John 14:30 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me."

Satan is often called the ruler of this world and that's another word for prince -ruler.

And whether you believe it or not, Michael is called "one of the chief princes". Princes being plural. Prince simply means, chief, ruler, etc. Of course that word can be utilized for archangels. Especially when the word means chief angel. We know Michael is described as an archangel and we see in this verse below that there are more than one, meaning there are more archangels and he is but one of them.

Daniel 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia

Christ would never be described as one of the chief princes. He is the prince.

And scripture does not state Michael is another name for Christ. You keep asking for scriptures but have never provided one that states that.

Jude would never call Christ Michael. There would be no need and why would Christ's own Revelation call himself Michael? He wouldn't. He is not described as such. He is always described as Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

Revelation 1:2 "Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw."
So who would be the greatest prince? Christ or one of His created angels.

The controversy has always been between the prince of this earth (Satan) and the Greatest Prince which can only be Jesus.

You don’t believe Michael the greatest prince is Jesus, I do not believe Jesus is the Sabbath commandment. All will get sorted out soon enough.
 
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Ephesians 2:2 "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:"

John 14:30 "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me."

Satan is often called the ruler of this world and that's another word for prince -ruler.

And whether you believe it or not, Michael is called "one of the chief princes". Princes being plural. Prince simply means, chief, ruler, etc. Of course that word can be utilized for archangels. Especially when the word means chief angel. We know Michael is described as an archangel and we see in this verse below that there are more than one, meaning there are more archangels and he is but one of them.

Daniel 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia

Christ would never be described as one of the chief princes. He is the prince.

And scripture does not state Michael is another name for Christ. You keep asking for scriptures but have never provided one that states that.

Jude would never all of the sudden call Christ Michael. Especially after calling Christ just that -Jesus Christ through the entire letter. Why would he change gears and all of the sudden call him Michael? God is not the author of confusion.

Jude 1 "Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:"

Jude 4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."



And why would Christ's own Revelation call himself Michael? He wouldn't. He is not described as such. He is always described as Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

Revelation 1:2 "Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw."
Thank you Julie for your testimony to the truth. The satan is zealous in his attempt to downsize our Lord Jesus Christ, inspiring some to claim He is Lucifer’s brother, inspiring others to claim He is Michael. But He remains Jesus Christ, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth! What any man or devil claims does not change the truth, He is Lord of all, including Lucifer and Michael.
 
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Thank you Julie for your testimony to the truth. The satan is zealous in his attempt to downsize our Lord Jesus Christ, inspiring some to claim He is Lucifer’s brother, inspiring others to claim He is Michael. But He remains Jesus Christ, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth! What any man or devil claims does not change the truth, He is Lord of all, including Lucifer and Michael.
this thread is about the sabbath, why are you guys discussing this here?
 
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You don’t believe Michael the greatest prince
Michael is not described as the greatest prince. There is not one scripture stating that. He is a great prince, but not the greatest.

He is described as "one of the chief princes" That's a huge difference. So this could in no way be Jesus.

All will get sorted out soon enough.
Yes, it will.
 
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Michael is not described as the greatest prince. There is not one scripture stating that.He is described as "one of the chief princes" That's a huge difference. So this could in no way be Jesus.

Regarding Daniel 10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me."

It appears at first glance that Michael is only "one of" the chief princes. This is an unfortunate translation in the King James. The word "one" comes from the Hebrew word "echad," which is also frequently translated as "first," as in the president's wife being called "first lady." (See Genesis 1:5; 8:13.) This changes the whole meaning of the verse to Michael being first of, greatest or highest of, to the chief of princes

Daniel 10:21 says, "But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince." Notice here that the angel refers to Michael as your Prince.

Who was Daniel’s prince? In the previous chapter, we see the answer in Daniel 9:25

“Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

Daniel’s Messiah is called the prince, which is another clear indication of Michael’s identity! So Gabriel is saying that Michael the archangel is Jesus, who knows all the truth of Scripture. Michael Stands Up

“At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

Who has authority over heaven and earth? Jesus Mat 28:18-20

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first." It is the voice of the archangel that raises the dead in Christ, and the Lord Himself who shouts it. This indicates that they are one and the same. Jesus is the one who shouts with the voice of the archangel, or "greatest messenger," to raise the dead!

It's what the Reformers believed as well.

Regardless what title Jesus is called- we worship Jesus alone and obey Him based on His Authority.
 
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That is why Jesus said that ministers were breaking the Sabbath but were guiltless.
Mat 12: 5 Have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 But I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.

The fact that the Sabbath law can be broken is proof that it is not an eternal law, but a temporary law that one can break and still remain guiltless. The fact that ministers can break the Sabbath law and remain guiltless is proof that Christ's ongoing ministry has superseded the Sabbath law. All Christians are called to be minsters in the ongoing ministry of Christ, therefore all Christians can break the Sabbath law and still remain guiltless.
 
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Mat 12: 5 Have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 But I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.

The fact that the Sabbath law can be broken is proof that it is not an eternal law, but a temporary law that one can break and still remain guiltless. The fact that ministers can break the Sabbath law and remain guiltless is proof that Christ's ongoing ministry has superseded the Sabbath law. All Christians are called to be minsters in the ongoing ministry of Christ, therefore all Christians can break the Sabbath law and still remain guiltless.
Many misunderstand this verse, but the priests were not doing secular work, they were doing the work of the Lord thy God which is why they were held guiltless. Just like Pastors preaching God's Word on the Sabbath- not desecrating the Sabbath. There is no condemnation on the Sabbath when we make the day about the Lord thy God. It's when we use it for our own pleasures, doing our own desires Isa 58:13 that we will be held guilty before God because it is a sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and goes against one of God's moral and righteous laws. Isa 56:1-6 Psa 119:172 which are eternal Mat 5:19 Rev 22:14
 
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Mat 12: 5 Have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 But I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.

The fact that the Sabbath law can be broken is proof that it is not an eternal law, but a temporary law that one can break and still remain guiltless. The fact that ministers can break the Sabbath law and remain guiltless is proof that Christ's ongoing ministry has superseded the Sabbath law. All Christians are called to be minsters in the ongoing ministry of Christ, therefore all Christians can break the Sabbath law and still remain guiltless.
Sabbath was a ritual command sandwiched between nine commands dealing with morality. 2Cor 3:6-11 tells us those commands were the ministry of death. They had no salvific value. All they were good for was to point out sin. The verses tell us that they were temporary and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit replaced them not just for the Israelites, but for all mankind. Thus no one is under the command to observe the ritual day given only to Israel.
 
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