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Sabbath keeping

How are we to keep the Sabbath?

  • Stop all work unless directed from God and keep from sin

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Stop from all servile work and go to church

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Something else? If so expain

    Votes: 6 66.7%

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Do you also believe that the rest in verse 1 is called the gospel in verse 2?
Yes, its what it says. The gospel rest is the good news of Christ's salvation. In His rest- there is no unrest or disobedience, which is why those who enter His rest is through faith. Those who were disobedient did not enter Heb 4:6 and the writer of Hebrews is referring to the rest in Canaan - the land filled with milk and honey which means prosperity.

Hebrews 4: 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, [a]not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

Hebrews 4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

The writer is sending us back to the wilderness when God's people were tested just as we are today.

Those who did not enter His rest in Canaan did not enter due to disobedience-- what did they disobey?

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Hebrews 4 is a continuation of Hebrews 3 which is a direct quote of Psalms 95

Psa 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,

9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts, (think Mat 15:3-14)
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”


Is God doing away with His Sabbath commandment before the Israelites entered into Canaan rest? NO! Moses after 40 years of being in the wilderness and before Joshua led the Israelites into their land flowing with milk and honey repeated the 10 commandments and told them to diligently keep

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone. 14 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might observe them in the land which you cross over to possess.

Heb 4:9 NIV Which is why the Sabbath-rest remains for God's people. The Sabbath rest is always connected to the seventh day thus saith the Lord Exo 20:10. Its why almost all ancient languages Sabbath translates into Saturday

And why we are not to follow the same path of disobedience to enter into our rest

Hebrews 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

In Christ rest there is no unrest, just peace and harmony. Which is why God calls on us TODAY if we have not harden our heart to His Truth Psa 119:151 to come out of our rebellion and disobedience to Him. Heb 3:7-8

In God rest God's people keep His commandments and it mourns Him when we choose another path, because whoever we obey is who we serve. Rom 6:16 God says Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:8-10 The seventh day Sabbath is always connected to Creation Exo 20:11 because God never wants us to forget who created us and where we came from- its the other spirit that wants us to forget and changed God's times and laws based on their authority. Dan 7:25 that sadly has deceived the world that most people follow.


Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

God wrote these Words right in the Ten Commandments which includes the Sabbath commandment all placed inside the ark, written by the finger of God. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

There is no greater Authority that we serve. No one has the power to sanctify us but God Eze 20:12 but many sadly choose their own sanctification.
 
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Yes, its what it says
Wow. Where does it say that? The point is does verse 2 say that the rest in verse 1 is called the gospel. It does not. That's not what it says.


Hebrews 4:1 "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it."

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

Again, where does it state in verse two that the gospel is called rest? It states the gospel was preached. And we know what the gospel is. Verse 3 states that we that have believed do enter into that rest. What do we believe? The gospel that was preached. That's the entire point.

You all can judge people about the weekly Sabbath yet have no problem changing the Word. Ok, I guess I am finished with this thread....
 
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Wow. Where does it say that? The question was does verse 2 say that the rest is called the gospel. It does not.


Hebrews 4:1 "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it."

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

Again, where does it state in verse two that the gospel is called rest? It states the gospel was preached. And we know what the gospel is. Verse 3 states that we that have believed do enter into that rest. What do we believe? The gospel that was preached. That's the entire point.

You can judge people about the weekly Sabbath yet have no problem changing the Word. Ok, I guess I am finished with this thread....
I judge no one, our judgement means nothing- Jesus told us to teach each other the commandments because when we are breaking the least of them and teaching others to break, it comes with some serious consequences. Mat 5:19-20

It's the Judgement before Christ that matters, which we all have to stand before one day soon 2 Corinthians 5:10. God personally wrote His Ten Commandments with His own finger, the earthy temple was just a miniature of God's heavenly temple Heb 8:1-5 where God has the ark of the Covenant which holds the Ten Commandments Rev 11:19 where Judgement and Mercy come together, that everyone will be Judged by His law breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12

I would not want to remove anything that is covered under His mercy seat, but we have free will. We must confess and forsake our sins Pro 28:13 Sin is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 If in Christ we would be obeying Him- He even gives us His Spirit to do so, but its conditional on love and faith John 14:15-18 1 John 5:3 Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12
 
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I have found an article that may interest you or not;


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Hello
thank you for the link. I read it and many other ideas put forth by various people’s to address this complex issue. And my conclusion remains the same, No one keeps the Sabbath today as is clearly detailed in the OT. No one. Everyone changes God’s law to some degree, little or much. It’s not feasible to attempt keeping the Sabbath South of the 40th parallel, (or North in the Southern Hemisphere) it’s not possible to keep the Sabbath and even survive in the Arctic/Antarctic regions, unless we change God’s law.
I imagine it will be interesting and fearful for those on judgement day who claim they were keeping the Sabbath, who claim they did not buy or sell or kindle a fire and find......... they didn’t.
Not judging, only worrying.
While I believe it’s wonderful to keep the precept of the Sabbath, my prayer is that all those who claim to keep it and didn’t will not be condemned, and I don’t believe they will......... unless they judge and condemn others who didn’t.
or had a self righteoues 'holier than you attitude'.
 
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While I believe it’s wonderful to keep the precept of the Sabbath, my prayer is that all those who claim to keep it and didn’t will not be condemned, and I don’t believe they will......... unless they judge and condemn others who didn’t.
or had a self righteoues 'holier than you attitude'.
Yes, it is part of good health to rest from our labor. God demanded that Israelites rest from their labor once a week. The remainder of the World's population was free to rest when they felt the need. The message of salvation we are to spread does not tell the unbeliever that salvation hinges on Sabbath observance. Many SDA's believe it does because of their prophet's writings on the subject. While most will not admit the SDA standing to us (Babylonians) Ellen White's writings on the subject still stand, one of which I will paste:

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

Most SDA's regard the writings of Ellen White as an addition to canon and are to be used to provide understanding. Notice Ellen blames satan (satan does not deserve to be capitalized) because we do not observe the day God only gave to Israel? satan deserves to be blamed for many things, but not something God never required of the remainder of humanity. If I decide to rest on Wednesday would it be deemed as being an invention of satan?
 
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Hello
thank you for the link. I read it and many other ideas put forth by various people’s to address this complex issue. And my conclusion remains the same, No one keeps the Sabbath today as is clearly detailed in the OT. No one. Everyone changes God’s law to some degree, little or much. It’s not feasible to attempt keeping the Sabbath South of the 40th parallel, (or North in the Southern Hemisphere) it’s not possible to keep the Sabbath and even survive in the Arctic/Antarctic regions, unless we change God’s law.
I imagine it will be interesting and fearful for those on judgement day who claim they were keeping the Sabbath, who claim they did not buy or sell or kindle a fire and find......... they didn’t.
Not judging, only worrying.
While I believe it’s wonderful to keep the precept of the Sabbath, my prayer is that all those who claim to keep it and didn’t will not be condemned, and I don’t believe they will......... unless they judge and condemn others who didn’t.
or had a self righteoues 'holier than you attitude'.
Well i am glad you found the link useful and that it may permit you to follow the sabbath. perhaps if you would instruct us how to keep it properly it could be useful for some, i am looking forward to a post from you on how to follow the sabbath perfectly as God intended.

Blessing.
 
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Yes, it is part of good health to rest from our labor. God demanded that Israelites rest from their labor once a week. The remainder of the World's population was free to rest when they felt the need. The message of salvation we are to spread does not tell the unbeliever that salvation hinges on Sabbath observance. Many SDA's believe it does because of their prophet's writings on the subject. While most will not admit the SDA standing to us (Babylonians) Ellen White's writings on the subject still stand, one of which I will paste:

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

Most SDA's regard the writings of Ellen White as an addition to canon and are to be used to provide understanding. Notice Ellen blames satan (satan does not deserve to be capitalized) because we do not observe the day God only gave to Israel? satan deserves to be blamed for many things, but not something God never required of the remainder of humanity. If I decide to rest on Wednesday would it be deemed as being an invention of satan?
Hi
i agree and don’t capitalize satan either, I usually write the satan which means the accuser. Which he does, day and night.
I agree, if you are convicted to keep the Sabbath you should keep it on Saturday, not Sunday or Wednesday. I also agree it’s for Israel, it would be impossible to keep the Sabbath as commanded very far North of the 50th parallel. And I have never seen anyone keep the Sabbath as commanded, never and I don’t think anyone does, ever, anywhere.
A man was stoned for kindling a fire, so flipping a light switch or starting a car is kindling a fire. And paying or using utilities or internet is buying on the Sabbath.
It is nearly endless unless we rest in Christ as in Heb 4.
 
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There will always be people who finds ways to say we can't obey God the way He asked and another group who finds ways to obey God. We have a God of love- He would not give us a commandment that He said He would not alter Psa 89:34 and we will be Judged by James 2:10-12 without giving us the power to do so when we trust and love Him. John 14:15-18 Exo 20:6

The rest in Christ is something Christ gives; the Sabbath commandment is something man does according to Christ. Exo 20:8-11 Isa 56:1-6 His promises are conditional and sad most go straight to the promise and ignore the condition it was given, which I do not think its going to work out so well if we believe the teachings of Jesus. Mat 5:19-30 Mat 7:21-23

Isa 48:18
Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
 
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There will always be people who finds ways to say we can't obey God the way He asked and another group who finds ways to obey God. We have a God of love- He would not give us a commandment that He said He would not alter Psa 89:34 and we will be Judged by James 2:10-12 without giving us the power to do so when we trust and love Him. John 14:15-18 Exo 20:6
God has never demanded or ask "us" to keep the Israelite Sabbath SB. That is a fact you cannot deny. The same fact is that we are not asked to keep the feast days or the new moon. Circumcision was not God's plan for New Covenant Gentiles. As much as you would like to deny the following it is still there in the Bible and does not need your hollow interpretation. The 10 commandments according to the following verses were only temporary. 2Cor3:
4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The Greater Glory of the New Covenant

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

The writer is telling us that even though the 10 commandments were glorious the ministry of the Holy Spirit is more glorious and the 10 commandments were only transient (temporary) If the writer was inspired, by our God, to write those verses, we, who believe in God, should listen to His words and take them to heart.

This is not the only place Paul and other writers explain we are not under the Law. 1Jn 3 tells us we belong to the truth IF we believe in the one God sent AND LOVE OTHERS AS JESUS LOVES US. It is not about the ceremonies we keep, it is all about how we treat our fellow man. That is the great command and is the one if kept by mankind that would end all strife. That is the good news we should be sending to all of the World not how to rest at a certain time.

Jesus said He came to bring peace. He did it by doing away with the demands of the laws of the Old Covenant. Eph2:
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

How do we find peace? Peace comes by believing in Jesus and loving our fellow man. My mental rest is in Jesus. My physical rest is when I need it


 
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God has never demanded or ask "us" to keep the Israelite Sabbath SB. That is a fact you cannot deny.
I trust Christ at His Word...

The Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27- so unless one is not a human being- the Sabbath is made for us.

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

6. Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

This argument is not with me.
 
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Jesus said He came to bring peace.
Yet He said this...

Mat 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

There is no peace when we disobey.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

The only antidote is obeying God through love and faith, the way He asks, because He is God and we are His creation. Lets let God be God.

1212 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Psa 119:165
Great peace have those who love Your law,
And nothing causes them to stumble.
 
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God has never demanded or ask "us" to keep the Israelite Sabbath SB. That is a fact you cannot deny. The same fact is that we are not asked to keep the feast days or the new moon. Circumcision was not God's plan for New Covenant Gentiles. As much as you would like to deny the following it is still there in the Bible and does not need your hollow interpretation. The 10 commandments according to the following verses were only temporary. 2Cor3:
4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The Greater Glory of the New Covenant

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

The writer is telling us that even though the 10 commandments were glorious the ministry of the Holy Spirit is more glorious and the 10 commandments were only transient (temporary) If the writer was inspired, by our God, to write those verses, we, who believe in God, should listen to His words and take them to heart.

This is not the only place Paul and other writers explain we are not under the Law. 1Jn 3 tells us we belong to the truth IF we believe in the one God sent AND LOVE OTHERS AS JESUS LOVES US. It is not about the ceremonies we keep, it is all about how we treat our fellow man. That is the great command and is the one if kept by mankind that would end all strife. That is the good news we should be sending to all of the World not how to rest at a certain time.

Jesus said He came to bring peace. He did it by doing away with the demands of the laws of the Old Covenant. Eph2:
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

How do we find peace? Peace comes by believing in Jesus and loving our fellow man. My mental rest is in Jesus. My physical rest is when I need it
BOB S , You have zero understanding of the new covenant, paul quoted from the old testament; here is the original that paul quoted;

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV)

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This is valid for all Jews or Gentiles who belong to GOD, who Obey him who follow His Will and Words.

You obstinately refuse the commandments, who are the Eternal Moral law Written by GOD and tell others also that we are not under the 10 commandments.

You pretend to believe in Jesus but will not listen to his words. Instead you remain hooked on every word of paul who is a mere servant, not comprehending his words properly.
If you did believe in Jesus you would know and follow what the son of God who is one with God said;

Matthew 5:17-19 (KJV):
17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.”
18 “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

John 14:15 (KJV)
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15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”

John 14:21 (KJV):
21 “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV):
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
22
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?”
23 “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

Matthew 19:17 (KJV)
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17 “And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Luke 6:46 (KJV)
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46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

You are making a grave mistake telling others we are not under the law and that the 10 commandment are invalid, the verses I have quoted to you prove the contrary.

Jesus sacrifice paid for the penalty of everybody's sins but the 10 commandments stand forever and were never abolished.
 
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I trust Christ at His Word...

The Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27- so unless one is not a human being- the Sabbath is made for us.

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

6. Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

This argument is not with me.
I knew your canned answer before you sent it SB. If the verse you keep quoting means Gentile man then why hasn't our gracious God revealed it to ALL mankind? You keep telling us that the Sabbath is written on our hearts, so why is it just a handful of people who have ever lived on this Earth recognize it???? your church spends millions upon millions trying to convince us that we have to keep the Sabbath please God and only a very few respond to the calling.

Why is it you did not respond to my statements and questions?
 
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I knew your canned answer before you sent it SB. If the verse you keep quoting means Gentile man then why hasn't our gracious God revealed it to ALL mankind? You keep telling us that the Sabbath is written on our hearts, so why is it just a handful of people who have ever lived on this Earth recognize it???? your church spends millions upon millions trying to convince us that we have to keep the Sabbath please God and only a very few respond to the calling.

Why is it you did not respond to my statements and questions?
I didn't quote me. Sorry you think the Words of Jesus Christ are canned. He tells us we are to live by them. Mat 4:4
 
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God is not unclear as some purport. We are called to cease by the very word Sabbath. And the rest of the commandment tell us what we are to cease from. We are to cease from all our occupation, and unbeknownst to some, that includes religious. That is why Jesus said that ministers were breaking the Sabbath but were guiltless. Some of us have things that the Lord has directed us to do also on the Sabbath. But some of us sadly are doing ministerial work also on the Sabbath because we want to and or think it is right. We will not judge that; it is an issue though.

There are things that are needful. But Most things unless directed from the Lord can be done the other six days. By doing things that can be put off we are not resting as we should on the 7th day. The day that He sanctified, set apart for such.

Sin is an issue every day. But the most important part of the command is to keep it Holy. Do not defile it. This we do by not bringing sin into the day by our actions. The only way to do that is through God and His Spirit. So it helps to do religious activities that keep us centered. Pray and praise in fellowship with likeminded people through Him is seen throughout Scripture. The fact we are to not work also helps in this. Because sometimes somethings come up while we are working that bring out our fleshly nature and sin comes knocking. This also happens in ministerial work. So we need to be careful.
I am alive in God's rest, righteousness. I rest from works 24/7 and I meet with others every Sunday, the Lord's day, to worship as One.
 
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I am alive in God's rest, righteousness. I rest from works 24/7 and I meet with others every Sunday, the Lord's day, to worship as One.
no you don't
 
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I didn't quote me. Sorry you think the Words of Jesus Christ are canned. He tells us we are to live by them. Mat 4:4
Again, you misinterpreted another statement. I didn't imply that the scripture is canned.

If you really "live by them" you would be observing the feast days and new moons. Jesus lived under the dictates of the old covenant until He introduced the new and better covenant at Calvary. He ratified it with His own blood. Before that event, He and the Jews were to be faithful to the old covenant. We all are living under a new and better covenant. The great theme of the New Testament is LOVE, not the rituals of the old covenant like trying to keep the Sabbath..
 
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Again, you misinterpreted another statement. I didn't imply that the scripture is canned.
Again, I wasn't quoting "me". Man means just that a human being and everyone means just that. If you want to be excluded from the promises Christ gives on keeping His Sabbath, that's a choice one can make.

I know your position on this matter, regardless how many times I show what Christ of the Bible actually says, it doesn't seem to make a difference, so I will leave it as agree to disagree. All gets sorted out soon enough, but not something I would want to be wrong about.
 
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