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Yes, its what it says. The gospel rest is the good news of Christ's salvation. In His rest- there is no unrest or disobedience, which is why those who enter His rest is through faith. Those who were disobedient did not enter Heb 4:6 and the writer of Hebrews is referring to the rest in Canaan - the land filled with milk and honey which means prosperity.Do you also believe that the rest in verse 1 is called the gospel in verse 2?
Wow. Where does it say that? The point is does verse 2 say that the rest in verse 1 is called the gospel. It does not. That's not what it says.Yes, its what it says
I judge no one, our judgement means nothing- Jesus told us to teach each other the commandments because when we are breaking the least of them and teaching others to break, it comes with some serious consequences. Mat 5:19-20Wow. Where does it say that? The question was does verse 2 say that the rest is called the gospel. It does not.
Hebrews 4:1 "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it."
Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."
Again, where does it state in verse two that the gospel is called rest? It states the gospel was preached. And we know what the gospel is. Verse 3 states that we that have believed do enter into that rest. What do we believe? The gospel that was preached. That's the entire point.
You can judge people about the weekly Sabbath yet have no problem changing the Word. Ok, I guess I am finished with this thread....
HelloI have found an article that may interest you or not;
Jewish law in the polar regions - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
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Yes, it is part of good health to rest from our labor. God demanded that Israelites rest from their labor once a week. The remainder of the World's population was free to rest when they felt the need. The message of salvation we are to spread does not tell the unbeliever that salvation hinges on Sabbath observance. Many SDA's believe it does because of their prophet's writings on the subject. While most will not admit the SDA standing to us (Babylonians) Ellen White's writings on the subject still stand, one of which I will paste:While I believe it’s wonderful to keep the precept of the Sabbath, my prayer is that all those who claim to keep it and didn’t will not be condemned, and I don’t believe they will......... unless they judge and condemn others who didn’t.
or had a self righteoues 'holier than you attitude'.
Well i am glad you found the link useful and that it may permit you to follow the sabbath. perhaps if you would instruct us how to keep it properly it could be useful for some, i am looking forward to a post from you on how to follow the sabbath perfectly as God intended.Hello
thank you for the link. I read it and many other ideas put forth by various people’s to address this complex issue. And my conclusion remains the same, No one keeps the Sabbath today as is clearly detailed in the OT. No one. Everyone changes God’s law to some degree, little or much. It’s not feasible to attempt keeping the Sabbath South of the 40th parallel, (or North in the Southern Hemisphere) it’s not possible to keep the Sabbath and even survive in the Arctic/Antarctic regions, unless we change God’s law.
I imagine it will be interesting and fearful for those on judgement day who claim they were keeping the Sabbath, who claim they did not buy or sell or kindle a fire and find......... they didn’t.
Not judging, only worrying.
While I believe it’s wonderful to keep the precept of the Sabbath, my prayer is that all those who claim to keep it and didn’t will not be condemned, and I don’t believe they will......... unless they judge and condemn others who didn’t.
or had a self righteoues 'holier than you attitude'.
HiYes, it is part of good health to rest from our labor. God demanded that Israelites rest from their labor once a week. The remainder of the World's population was free to rest when they felt the need. The message of salvation we are to spread does not tell the unbeliever that salvation hinges on Sabbath observance. Many SDA's believe it does because of their prophet's writings on the subject. While most will not admit the SDA standing to us (Babylonians) Ellen White's writings on the subject still stand, one of which I will paste:
But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}
Most SDA's regard the writings of Ellen White as an addition to canon and are to be used to provide understanding. Notice Ellen blames satan (satan does not deserve to be capitalized) because we do not observe the day God only gave to Israel? satan deserves to be blamed for many things, but not something God never required of the remainder of humanity. If I decide to rest on Wednesday would it be deemed as being an invention of satan?
God has never demanded or ask "us" to keep the Israelite Sabbath SB. That is a fact you cannot deny. The same fact is that we are not asked to keep the feast days or the new moon. Circumcision was not God's plan for New Covenant Gentiles. As much as you would like to deny the following it is still there in the Bible and does not need your hollow interpretation. The 10 commandments according to the following verses were only temporary. 2Cor3:There will always be people who finds ways to say we can't obey God the way He asked and another group who finds ways to obey God. We have a God of love- He would not give us a commandment that He said He would not alter Psa 89:34 and we will be Judged by James 2:10-12 without giving us the power to do so when we trust and love Him. John 14:15-18 Exo 20:6
I trust Christ at His Word...God has never demanded or ask "us" to keep the Israelite Sabbath SB. That is a fact you cannot deny.
Yet He said this...Jesus said He came to bring peace.
BOB S , You have zero understanding of the new covenant, paul quoted from the old testament; here is the original that paul quoted;God has never demanded or ask "us" to keep the Israelite Sabbath SB. That is a fact you cannot deny. The same fact is that we are not asked to keep the feast days or the new moon. Circumcision was not God's plan for New Covenant Gentiles. As much as you would like to deny the following it is still there in the Bible and does not need your hollow interpretation. The 10 commandments according to the following verses were only temporary. 2Cor3:
4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
The writer is telling us that even though the 10 commandments were glorious the ministry of the Holy Spirit is more glorious and the 10 commandments were only transient (temporary) If the writer was inspired, by our God, to write those verses, we, who believe in God, should listen to His words and take them to heart.
This is not the only place Paul and other writers explain we are not under the Law. 1Jn 3 tells us we belong to the truth IF we believe in the one God sent AND LOVE OTHERS AS JESUS LOVES US. It is not about the ceremonies we keep, it is all about how we treat our fellow man. That is the great command and is the one if kept by mankind that would end all strife. That is the good news we should be sending to all of the World not how to rest at a certain time.
Jesus said He came to bring peace. He did it by doing away with the demands of the laws of the Old Covenant. Eph2: 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
How do we find peace? Peace comes by believing in Jesus and loving our fellow man. My mental rest is in Jesus. My physical rest is when I need it
I knew your canned answer before you sent it SB. If the verse you keep quoting means Gentile man then why hasn't our gracious God revealed it to ALL mankind? You keep telling us that the Sabbath is written on our hearts, so why is it just a handful of people who have ever lived on this Earth recognize it???? your church spends millions upon millions trying to convince us that we have to keep the Sabbath please God and only a very few respond to the calling.I trust Christ at His Word...
The Sabbath is made for man Mark 2:27- so unless one is not a human being- the Sabbath is made for us.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
6. Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant
This argument is not with me.
I didn't quote me. Sorry you think the Words of Jesus Christ are canned. He tells us we are to live by them. Mat 4:4I knew your canned answer before you sent it SB. If the verse you keep quoting means Gentile man then why hasn't our gracious God revealed it to ALL mankind? You keep telling us that the Sabbath is written on our hearts, so why is it just a handful of people who have ever lived on this Earth recognize it???? your church spends millions upon millions trying to convince us that we have to keep the Sabbath please God and only a very few respond to the calling.
Why is it you did not respond to my statements and questions?
I am alive in God's rest, righteousness. I rest from works 24/7 and I meet with others every Sunday, the Lord's day, to worship as One.God is not unclear as some purport. We are called to cease by the very word Sabbath. And the rest of the commandment tell us what we are to cease from. We are to cease from all our occupation, and unbeknownst to some, that includes religious. That is why Jesus said that ministers were breaking the Sabbath but were guiltless. Some of us have things that the Lord has directed us to do also on the Sabbath. But some of us sadly are doing ministerial work also on the Sabbath because we want to and or think it is right. We will not judge that; it is an issue though.
There are things that are needful. But Most things unless directed from the Lord can be done the other six days. By doing things that can be put off we are not resting as we should on the 7th day. The day that He sanctified, set apart for such.
Sin is an issue every day. But the most important part of the command is to keep it Holy. Do not defile it. This we do by not bringing sin into the day by our actions. The only way to do that is through God and His Spirit. So it helps to do religious activities that keep us centered. Pray and praise in fellowship with likeminded people through Him is seen throughout Scripture. The fact we are to not work also helps in this. Because sometimes somethings come up while we are working that bring out our fleshly nature and sin comes knocking. This also happens in ministerial work. So we need to be careful.
no you don'tI am alive in God's rest, righteousness. I rest from works 24/7 and I meet with others every Sunday, the Lord's day, to worship as One.
Again, you misinterpreted another statement. I didn't imply that the scripture is canned.I didn't quote me. Sorry you think the Words of Jesus Christ are canned. He tells us we are to live by them. Mat 4:4
Again, I wasn't quoting "me". Man means just that a human being and everyone means just that. If you want to be excluded from the promises Christ gives on keeping His Sabbath, that's a choice one can make.Again, you misinterpreted another statement. I didn't imply that the scripture is canned.
Yes I do.no you don't