Israel-Hamas Thread II

[JosephZ]

It is you who is saying the Gazans are all Hamas.

That's not what I'm saying at all. Hamas is a terrorist group that exploits the Palestinian people and their suffering.

Hamas needs to be defeated.

I agree. It's unfortunate that Israel has chosen a path that insures Hamas' survival and increases its support among Palestinians and other Arab groups.

 

[DaisyDay]

No it is not
They have been asked to surrender, they won't do it. That is not Israel's fault.

Perhaps they saw how the Israelis shot down the people surrendering, waving white flags. They were just gunned down.

Their military can cease fire, and accept defeat.

They have a military?

 

[LoricaLady]

Israel blows up Gaza's last university with a controlled explosion meaning they had control of the building. This was not a Hamas threat it is part of the programme of making Gaza uninhabitable and destroying Palestinian culture.

Gaza destruction risks lost generation of children, says UN official

What is the Palestinian culture? They teach their children at a very tender age to hate and want to kill all the Jews in Israel, all the Jews, around the world, and incidentally Christians and Americans.

If their sons are killed, in any attempts to exterminate the Jews, the parents rejoice! They love having a martyr in the family. They like the idea that their son will get to go to be with perpetual black eyed virgins in heaven.

They let their hospitals and mosques and schools and day daycares and a huge number of their homes be cover for terror tunnels and terrorists and their weapons.

If anyone should know about their culture, it would be the son of the one who started Hamas. Mosab Hassan Yousef. He is now a Christian.

He does not feel that the Palestinian civilians are at all likely to be innocent, but that they were complicit in what happened on October 7.

Why isn’t Egypt letting Palestinian refugees get near their land? Why have they built huge walls to keep them out?

Palestinian refugees have been taken into several Arab countries in the past. Every last time they were tossed out.

Why? Because they were so divisive and violent and sometimes tried to take over the host government.

From what I have been observing, I would guess that the university you spoke of was also being used as another haven for terrorists.

What seems so strange to me is that people call the destruction in Gaza genocide. But those same people don’t seem to care at all that the Palestinians, not just Hamas, by any means, has flat out stated that they want to commit genocide on every Jew on the planet. And again, they also want to commit genocide on us Christians in America.

It’s either going to be Israel or Hamas. I choose Israel because they don’t want to kill me.
I feel sorry for any innocent civilians and have prayed for them. But I think there aren’t many at all that are innocent. Hamas killed, and many Palestinians applauded, the killing of babies in horrific ways and want to do it again by their own admission.

 

[JosephZ]

Why isn’t Egypt letting Palestinian refugees get near their land? Why have they built huge walls to keep them out?

It's because they know that if they allow Palestinian refugees to enter Egypt, Israel will not allow them to return in the future, thus making them accomplices in the ethnic clensing of the Palestinians from their land.

Palestinian refugees have been taken into several Arab countries in the past. Every last time they were tossed out.

This isn't true. There are Palestinian refugees in Syria (584,000+), Lebanon (490,000+), Jordan (2.3 million+) and Egypt (50,000+), and they have been in these countries for decades.

 

[LoricaLady]

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It's because they know that if they allow Palestinian refugees to enter Egypt, Israel will not allow them to return in the future, thus making them accomplices in the ethnic clensing of the Palestinians from their land.


This isn't true. There are Palestinian refugees in Syria (584,000+), Lebanon (490,000+), Jordan (2.3 million+) and Egypt (50,000+), and they have been in these countries for decades.

You are talking about a longer time ago than I was referring to. And what you say doesn’t change the fact that more recently Arab nations kicked the Palestinians out because of their divisiveness and violence and attempts to overthrow the host government.

And all that certainly doesn’t change the fact, which you conveniently evaded, that the Palestinians are teaching their little children to want to hate, and genocide, every Jew in Israel, every Jew, around the world, and anyone who doesn’t accept their faith, including us Christian Americans.

Their genocidal intentions should be pretty common knowledge. Once more, someone who absolutely knows all the facts, “the son of Hamas”, describes in detail the violence and murderous nature of their culture. And by the way, the thing that got him out of Hamas was seeing how they tortured, and killed, imprisoned Palestinians whose screams could be heard around the clock.

Yet Palestinians put Hamas in power, and still support them, according to polls, to this day.

You can argue if you want. But that’s not gonna change the fact that if you’re a Jew, or a Christian, or an American, they want to kill you and any of your babies and children in general.

But you may not be a Jew or Christian, or American. So nothing I have to say to you will matter.

You talk about it being “their land” as if that is some kind of justification for what happened on October 7. You need to go to the Christian persecution forum.

There you can read about Muslims killing and kidnapping thousands of christians, who were living harmlessly in their villages, to the cries of Allah Akbar.

It certainly seems to me that it’s not about “their land”. It’s about their religion.

 

[DaisyDay]

What is the Palestinian culture? They teach their children at a very tender age to hate and want to kill all the Jews in Israel, all the Jews, around the world, and incidentally Christians and Americans.

If their sons are killed, in any attempts to exterminate the Jews, the parents rejoice! They love having a martyr in the family. They like the idea that their son will get to go to be with perpetual black eyed virgins in heaven.

They let their hospitals and mosques and schools and day daycares and a huge number of their homes be cover for terror tunnels and terrorists and their weapons.

If anyone should know about their culture, it would be the son of the one who started Hamas. Mosab Hassan Yousef. He is now a Christian.

He does not feel that the Palestinian civilians are at all likely to be innocent, but that they were complicit in what happened on October 7.

Why isn’t Egypt letting Palestinian refugees get near their land? Why have they built huge walls to keep them out?

Palestinian refugees have been taken into several Arab countries in the past. Every last time they were tossed out.

Why? Because they were so divisive and violent and sometimes tried to take over the host government.

From what I have been observing, I would guess that the university you spoke of was also being used as another haven for terrorists.

What seems so strange to me is that people call the destruction in Gaza genocide. But those same people don’t seem to care at all that the Palestinians, not just Hamas, by any means, has flat out stated that they want to commit genocide on every Jew on the planet. And again, they also want to commit genocide on us Christians in America.

It’s either going to be Israel or Hamas. I choose Israel because they don’t want to kill me.
I feel sorry for any innocent civilians and have prayed for them. But I think there aren’t many at all that are innocent. Hamas killed, and many Palestinians applauded, the killing of babies in horrific ways and want to do it again by their own admission.

The Christian Palestinians are treated the same as the Muslim ones. The Christian Gazan children are also starving, limbless and dying. They are also walled in and not allowed to leave.

 

[LoricaLady]

The Christian Palestinians are treated the same as the Muslim ones. The Christian Gazan children are also starving, limbless and dying. They are also walled in and not allowed to leave.

I have certainly been praying for Christians in Gaza. I even left a post about that on the persecuted Christians forum.

But Hamas wants to kill every baby and child and adult in Israel and has flat out said so. They have to be stopped. War is terrible and innocent people do suffer.

But we can’t just say oh well about Hamas. The main reason why Palestinian civilians are caught in this mess is because they allowed their homes in great numbers, and hospitals, and mosques, and schools and day cares to harbor terrorists and cover their tunnels.

To wipe out the terrorists , Israel is forced to attack civilian property with the terrorists are constantly being found.

I am very sorry for any Christians, caught in Gaza. And for innocent Palestinians, though it doesn’t seem, there are very many of them.

It seems there are about 2 million people suffering in Gaza. And it seems that most of them support Hamas.

There are 9 million people in Israel. Hamas, and many, many Palestinians want to kill them all.
And they will do so, if they are not stopped.

If Hamas would not be stopped, what do you think the fate of those Christians would be then? Hamas doesn’t have a pattern of showing compassion even to their own people.

 

[LoricaLady]

P.S. Of course, in its intention to kill all 9 million Jews in Israel, Hamas also would be killing, and glad to kill, all of the Christians who had been living pretty peacefully there. Like, for example many messianic Jews.

Hamas wants to kill them and their children too. There are messianic Jews in the IDF. They aren’t just fighting for Jews, they are fighting for Christians too.

If you were part of a family of Christians in Israel, would you want Hamas to be completely wiped out? Rhetorical question.

 

[Desk trauma]

P.S. Of course, in its intention to kill all 9 million Jews in Israel,

Do they plan to import two million Jews to make that possible? Israel only has seven million Jews as its 81% not 100% Jewish with 18% of the population being Muslim.

 

[JosephZ]

what you say doesn’t change the fact that more recently Arab nations kicked the Palestinians out because of their divisiveness and violence and attempts to overthrow the host government.

What is your source that Arab nations have kicked the Palestinians out because of their divisiveness and violence and attempts to overthrow the host government?

all that certainly doesn’t change the fact, which you conveniently evaded, that the Palestinians are teaching their little children to want to hate, and genocide, every Jew in Israel, every Jew, around the world, and anyone who doesn’t accept their faith, including us Christian Americans.

I didn't evade it, I just chose not to address this subject. Here's a post I made in another thread that shows that hate is being taught by both parties involved in this conflict.

Palestinians are teaching their little children to want to hate, and genocide, every Jew in Israel, every Jew, around the world, and anyone who doesn’t accept their faith, including us Christian Americans. Their genocidal intentions should be pretty common knowledge. Once more, someone who absolutely knows all the facts, “the son of Hamas”, describes in detail the violence and murderous nature of their culture.

I'm familiar with Mosab Hassan Yousef. You have to keep in mind that he once worked undercover as a spy for Israel, gets paid to do speaking engagements, and has books to sell. His motivations may not be pure, and his descriptions of Palestinian culture may not be accurate.

You can argue if you want. But that’s not gonna change the fact that if you’re a Jew, or a Christian, or an American, they want to kill you and any of your babies and children in general.

It's a fact that the vast majority of Palestinians are not violent, dangerous, or want to kill Jews, Christians, Americans or their babies.

You talk about it being “their land” as if that is some kind of justification for what happened on October 7.

There is no justification for the horrendous terrorist attack carried out by Hamas on October 7th.

 

[ralliann]

What is your source that Arab nations have kicked the Palestinians out because of their divisiveness and violence and attempts to overthrow the host government?


I didn't evade it, I just chose not to address this subject. Here's a post I made in another thread that shows that hate is being taught by both parties involved in this conflict.


I'm familiar with Mosab Hassan Yousef. You have to keep in mind that he once worked undercover as a spy for Israel, gets paid to do speaking engagements, and has books to sell. His motivations may not be pure, and his descriptions of Palestinian culture may not be accurate.


It's a fact that the vast majority of Palestinians are not violent, dangerous, or want to kill Jews, Christians, Americans or their babies.


There is no justification for the horrendous terrorist attack carried out by Hamas on October 7th.

Gazans do want to kill Jew's and Muslims. There are Muslims that live in Israel peacefully.

 

[LoricaLady]

Do they plan to import two million Jews to make that possible? Israel only has seven million Jews as its 81% not 100% Jewish with 18% of the population being Muslim.

If I was off somewhat on the

Do they plan to import two million Jews to make that possible? Israel only has seven million Jews as its 81% not 100% Jewish with 18% of the population being Muslim.

Glad to be corrected. So Hamas only wants to kill 7 million Jews, and all Christians living in Israel. And of course all Jews And Christians and Americans, and all “infidels” around the globe.

 

[LoricaLady]

Gazans do want to kill Jew's and Muslims. There are Muslims that live in Israel peacefully.

Yes and some of those Moslems living peacefully in Israel were found to be collecting data for Hamas.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Exclusive: Israeli forces fired on food convoy in Gaza, UN documents and satellite analysis reveals​

Israeli forces fired on a United Nations convoy carrying vital food supplies in central Gaza on February 5, before ultimately blocking the trucks from progressing to the northern part of the territory, where Palestinians are on the verge of famine, according to documents shared exclusively by the UN and CNN’s own analysis.

CNN has seen correspondence between the UN and the Israeli military that show the convoy’s route was agreed upon by both parties prior to the strike. According to an internal incident report compiled by UNRWA, the main UN relief agency in Gaza, which was also seen by CNN, the truck was one of 10 in a convoy sitting stationary at an IDF holding point when it was fired upon.

No one in the convoy was hurt, but much of its contents – mainly wheat flour desperately needed to bake bread – were destroyed.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has not responded to CNN’s repeated requests for comment on the strike. The IDF said on February 5 that it was looking into the incident.

 

[LoricaLady]

If you want to argue that Palestians aren’t teaching their little kids to want to kill Jews and Christians and all “infidels”, the tunnels and terrorists and weapons in their schools and daycares and mosques and hospitals speak louder the words. Then we have written words. In the Quran. There a prayer is lifted up to Allah to kill Christians and Jews.

You can shrug off or defend that belief system and act like Palestinians don’t believe their holy book, but, again, we seeMoslems around the world, for example in Joel Olsteen’s Church, acting out the hate and violence.

The “son of Hamas” has no reason to lie. He worked as a spy for years, putting his life at risk, even letting himself be put in prison, to save lives from people like suicide bombers. He wasn’t getting rich. If he speaks publicly now through books and online, great. If he makes money or not now for that, so what? It’s the facts that count.

I don’t know anything about you. Or your motives. Yousef has given decades worth of data on his life.

I will not be back to this string. It is distasteful to read the posts that are basically denying that Palestinians are harbouring Hamas and teaching their children to hate and want to kill. Not all of them. But evidently the majority. You get the last words. I’m out of here.
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[Vanellus]

I have certainly been praying for Christians in Gaza. I even left a post about that on the persecuted Christians forum.

Do you think the life of a Christian in Gaza is of more value than the life of a Muslim by virtue of their religion?

 

[JosephZ]

Yes and some of those Moslems living peacefully in Israel were found to be collecting data for Hamas.

And others are volunteering to join the IDF to fight against Hamas and other enemies if Israel.

As the first from his Muslim village to volunteer for the Israeli army, life was not easy for Fadel Faour, who now finds himself on the front line of the Gaza war.

While Jews, Druze and Circassians are conscripted into the IDF, the Bedouin and Israeli Arabs, Christians and Muslims are not obliged to serve. An estimated 1,500 Bedouin are currently serving in the IDF. Around 606 Muslim Arabs volunteered to serve in 2020 compared with 436 in 2018.

“In the last Lebanon war, rockets were fired and also hit the Arabs in Nazareth and the nearby villages. We live here together. Protecting the country from the terrorists on our borders is important for all of us, Muslims, Jews, all of us here. The army needs us and we need the army, so I feel that it is my duty to enlist and protect everyone, Jews or Arabs...

As a Muslim who is the only soldier in your village, everyone asks why I enlisted... as both Israelis and Palestinians, we need to eradicate terror, we need to protect our civilians.” -- Fadel Faour, a Palestinian Muslim serving in the IDF

“We are all united in the goal of protecting our country from terror, Our commander is Jewish, the deputy commander is Bedouin, our office staff is Jewish, I have Christian soldiers, I am Muslim, and we have some Circassians and Druze. I wish Israeli society looked more like this too with us all working together. -- Major Ahmed Khojirat, a Bedouin from northern Israel, has been in the IDF for nine years



Israel’s Channel 12 News met Lt.-Col. M., commander of a unit of trackers, and some of his soldiers, all of whom are Muslim Bedouins and led the battle of the IDF’s Gaza Division headquarters.

On the morning of the surprise attack, the base was lightly staffed and the main fighting force at hand was the tracker unit, a special unit made up mainly of Bedouins, known to be experts in tracking enemies in the Negev desert they grew up in.

Lt.-Col. M. and five of his soldiers took up positions at the entrance gate of the army base and held off some 30 terrorists for over an hour, thus buying precious time and preventing an even larger catastrophe.

You can shrug off or defend that belief system and act like Palestinians don’t believe their holy book, but, again, we seeMoslems around the world, for example in Joel Olsreen’s Church, acting out the hate and violence.

If you are refering to the recent shooting at Lakewood Church, the shooter wasn't a Muslim.

I will not be back to this string.

I wish you could provide your source for Arab nations kicking Palestinian refugees out because of their divisiveness, violence, and attempts to overthrow the host government before you go, because I have not heard of this before.

 

[Vanellus]

What is the Palestinian culture?

A small sample:

West-Eastern Divan Orchestra

For 20 years, the West-Eastern Divan Orchestra has been a significant presence in the international music world. In 1999, Daniel Barenboim and the late Palestinian literary scholar Edward W. Said created a workshop for young musicians to promote coexistence and intercultural dialogue. They named the orchestra and workshop after Johann Wolfgang von Goethe’s collection of poems West-Eastern Divan, a central work for the development of the concept of world culture. The orchestra’s first rehearsal sessions took place in Weimar and Chicago. An equal number of Israeli and Arab musicians form the base of the ensemble, together with members from Turkey, Iran, and Spain. They meet each summer for rehearsals, followed by an international concert tour.

Mahmoud Darwish | Poetry Foundation

Palestinian Mahmoud Darwish was born in al-Birwa in Galilee, a village that was occupied and later razed by the Israeli army. Because they had missed the official Israeli census, Darwish and his family were considered “internal refugees” or “present-absent aliens.” Darwish lived for many years in exile in Beirut and Paris. He is the author of over 30 books of poetry and eight books of prose, and earned the Lannan Cultural Freedom Prize from the Lannan Foundation, the Lenin Peace Prize, and the Knight of Arts and Belles Lettres Medal from France.

3 Palestinian Poems that'll Reshape Your Understanding of Belonging

Fadwa Tuqan – Enough for Me​

Enough for Me
Enough for me to die on her earth
be buried in her
to melt and vanish into her soil
then sprout forth as a flower
played with by a child from my country.
Enough for me to remain
in my country’s embrace
to be in her close as a handful of dust
a sprig of grass
a flower.

Considered as one of the most distinguished contemporary Arab poets, Fadwa Tuqan’s works have been met with great international success and awards. Born in 1917, she has witnessed her homeland sweep from British rule to leave room for the creation of an Israeli state and a Palestinian authority within decades – an experienced that she made sure to pen down. Her introduction to poetry was made through her brother who is no other than the illustrious Ibrahim Tuqan, another Palestinian nationalist poet whose work is believed to have rallied Arabs during their revolt against the British mandate.

In this poem, Fadwa attempts to shed light, through a handful of verses, on her roots and how home will always be home no matter what. Titled Enough for Me, it seems as if the author wants us to know that no matter what could happen to her homeland it will always be hers and no one will be able to take that away from her.

 

[Vanellus]

What is the Palestinian culture? They teach their children at a very tender age to hate and want to kill all the Jews in Israel, all the Jews, around the world, and incidentally Christians and Americans.

If their sons are killed, in any attempts to exterminate the Jews, the parents rejoice! They love having a martyr in the family. They like the idea that their son will get to go to be with perpetual black eyed virgins in heaven.

They let their hospitals and mosques and schools and day daycares and a huge number of their homes be cover for terror tunnels and terrorists and their weapons.

If anyone should know about their culture, it would be the son of the one who started Hamas. Mosab Hassan Yousef. He is now a Christian.

He does not feel that the Palestinian civilians are at all likely to be innocent, but that they were complicit in what happened on October 7.

Why isn’t Egypt letting Palestinian refugees get near their land? Why have they built huge walls to keep them out?

Palestinian refugees have been taken into several Arab countries in the past. Every last time they were tossed out.

Why? Because they were so divisive and violent and sometimes tried to take over the host government.

From what I have been observing, I would guess that the university you spoke of was also being used as another haven for terrorists.

What seems so strange to me is that people call the destruction in Gaza genocide. But those same people don’t seem to care at all that the Palestinians, not just Hamas, by any means, has flat out stated that they want to commit genocide on every Jew on the planet. And again, they also want to commit genocide on us Christians in America.

It’s either going to be Israel or Hamas. I choose Israel because they don’t want to kill me.
I feel sorry for any innocent civilians and have prayed for them. But I think there aren’t many at all that are innocent. Hamas killed, and many Palestinians applauded, the killing of babies in horrific ways and want to do it again by their own admission.

Very many assertions attacking Palestinians in general in an attempt to dehumanize them and so justify their mass slaughter by the IDF.
Not worth a response while no evidence is presented.

 

[LoricaLady]

And others are volunteering to join the IDF to fight against Hamas and other enemies if Israel.

As the first from his Muslim village to volunteer for the Israeli army, life was not easy for Fadel Faour, who now finds himself on the front line of the Gaza war.

While Jews, Druze and Circassians are conscripted into the IDF, the Bedouin and Israeli Arabs, Christians and Muslims are not obliged to serve. An estimated 1,500 Bedouin are currently serving in the IDF. Around 606 Muslim Arabs volunteered to serve in 2020 compared with 436 in 2018.

“In the last Lebanon war, rockets were fired and also hit the Arabs in Nazareth and the nearby villages. We live here together. Protecting the country from the terrorists on our borders is important for all of us, Muslims, Jews, all of us here. The army needs us and we need the army, so I feel that it is my duty to enlist and protect everyone, Jews or Arabs...

As a Muslim who is the only soldier in your village, everyone asks why I enlisted... as both Israelis and Palestinians, we need to eradicate terror, we need to protect our civilians.” -- Fadel Faour, a Palestinian Muslim serving in the IDF

“We are all united in the goal of protecting our country from terror, Our commander is Jewish, the deputy commander is Bedouin, our office staff is Jewish, I have Christian soldiers, I am Muslim, and we have some Circassians and Druze. I wish Israeli society looked more like this too with us all working together. -- Major Ahmed Khojirat, a Bedouin from northern Israel, has been in the IDF for nine years



Israel’s Channel 12 News met Lt.-Col. M., commander of a unit of trackers, and some of his soldiers, all of whom are Muslim Bedouins and led the battle of the IDF’s Gaza Division headquarters.

On the morning of the surprise attack, the base was lightly staffed and the main fighting force at hand was the tracker unit, a special unit made up mainly of Bedouins, known to be experts in tracking enemies in the Negev desert they grew up in.

Lt.-Col. M. and five of his soldiers took up positions at the entrance gate of the army base and held off some 30 terrorists for over an hour, thus buying precious time and preventing an even larger catastrophe.



If you are refering to the recent shooting at Lakewood Church, the shooter wasn't a Muslim.



I wish you could provide your source for Arab nations kicking Palestinian refugees out because of their divisiveness, violence, and attempts to overthrow the host government before you go, because I have not heard of this before.

As for my source on Arab nations kicking out Palestinian refugees I can take time out to show you research. Or you could do your homework with your own time.