YEC is physically impossible

[AV1611VET]

Yes, I will trust in a system that is a system of growth; a system so designed to identify and correct mistakes; a system that honestly reports on failures and ferrets out lies. I won't simply trust in it, I shall celebrate and admire it, for its patience and modesty.

We know.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And this I shall do in preference to your offered alternative of a Being for which their is no significant evidence and whose existence must be taken on faith.

We know.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[partinobodycular]

So you will trust in a system that has to grow and learn which obviously will have mistakes, failures and even lies, to advance its system.

That's the definition of life in a nutshell, and you want us to give that up? No way. You can have your God, and your perfect heaven... me, I'm charging headlong into the unknown and loving every minute of it. If "Beyond this point there be monsters" then by all means bring'em on... cause that's life baby... and like a box of chocolate, you never know what you're gonna get.

 

[AV1611VET]

Make that any of many proposed gods and innumerable opinions about said gods.

What's your opinion about said gods?

 

[dlamberth]

You're good at starting junk science threads left, right, and center.

Did you buy into this Big Bounce at one time?

If so, I can't find where you started a thread on it.

Nope...the Big Bounce is not from me. I know nothing about it. I had to Google it to know what your talking about. It's an interesting idea driven by quantum-gravitational effects. And well worth exploring.

The threads I start are based on what science has discovered. And I'm appreciating that your liking the threads I do start. I know that you like them because you jump right in and use them as fodder for comment.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's the definition of life in a nutshell, and you want us to give that up? No way. You can have your God, and your perfect heaven... me, I'm charging headlong into the unknown and loving every minute of it. If "Beyond this point there be monsters" then by all means bring'em on... cause that's life baby... and like a box of chocolate, you never know what you're gonna get.

Gonna "go with throttle-up," are you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope...the Big Bounce is not from me. I know nothing about it. I had to Google it to know what your talking about. It's an interesting idea driven by quantum-gravitational effects. And well worth exploring.

So everything modern is "the earth talking to us," but if it's not-so-modern and not really mentioned, then all it is is an "interesting idea"?

I have a feeling that, prior to 2006, you would be telling me that the universe is telling us Pluto is our 9th planet.

 

[AV1611VET]

rsvp the whole world is full of junk science threads left, right and center. We have all been raised in errors GALORE ! Over-full of wrong motives, wrong doing and misleading data, on purpose, even God's Purpose, to test us all to see who will trust Him against the whole world in every way practically.

Yesterday's science:

 

[partinobodycular]

Gonna "go with throttle-up," are you?

Absolutely, and I can't imagine that God could possibly want me to do life any differently. Take what I believe and charge full speed into where angels fear to tread... surely you of all people can appreciate that... being passionate about one's beliefs, regardless of the consequences... you do that every day.

 

[AV1611VET]

Absolutely,

Okay.

Roger that.

 

[partinobodycular]

Yesterday's science:

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And hopefully some day there'll be a million more years of yesterday's science, and a million more still to come.

 

[partinobodycular]

Okay.

Roger that.

Here's the thing... you defend your beliefs with passion, conviction, and certitude... is it really that terrible when others do the same?

 

[Astrid]

Absolutely, and I can't imagine that God could possibly want me to do life any differently. Take what I believe and charge full speed into where angels fear to tread... surely you of all people can appreciate that... being passionate about one's beliefs, regardless of the consequences... you do that every day.

Beats making things up then pretending they are ttue.

Back when i read such things i heard about
'Excess flood water" beung wafted to neptune.
Where it shines as a warning beacon against incoming
rogue angels.

Its funny in a pitifil way.

Like all of the ways people lie to themselves trying
to cram reality into their box.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here's the thing... you defend your beliefs with passion, conviction, and certitude... is it really that terrible when others do the same?

I suppose not.

 

[partinobodycular]

Like all of the ways people lie to themselves trying
to cram reality into their box.

We're all trying to cram our understanding of life into a box of some kind or other, which is fine so long as we don't get hung up on thinking that my box is somehow better than your box. We're all gonna die with a box full of stuff that really didn't matter to anybody but ourselves. So be passionate about your box, and be proud of the work that you've put into your box. But don't forget that it's just a box that'll be quickly forgotten along with everybody else's box.

But if you're content with your box that's all that really matters. Me, I've got a rather inauspicious box, but I like it. It suits me.

 

[dlamberth]

So everything modern is "the earth talking to us," but if it's not-so-modern and not really mentioned, then all it is is an "interesting idea"?

I welcome the exploration of God's Creation. One nature of Human Beings is our curiosity. Interesting ideas come from curiosity. That's a good thing in my opinion. We learn that way. When our curiosity leads us to the a deeper understanding of the things of the Earth as well as the rest of the cosmos, from where I sit, we are learning about God in His own Creation. The quantum sciences are opening a wide new world that spurs curiosity. In my very brief introduction to the Big Bounce I find that it is nothing more than refinement of the Big Bang theories. Being curious about such things, I find that interesting.

I have a feeling that, prior to 2006, you would be telling me that the universe is telling us Pluto is our 9th planet.

No, not the universe.

 

[sjastro]

Gutsick seems to have a penchant for stating that creationists "regurgitate" or "recycle the same old arguments since the '70s."

She'd be singing a different tune with me though.

But I get it from both sides actually.

One minute people are accusing me of "not thinking outside the box," and the next, they're wanting "chapter and verse" for something I believe.

Stop trying to be the centre of the universe it is not about you; the video is about the gross information spread by Eric Hovind.
As has been mentioned by various posters and myself over the years, YEC has a penchant for dishonestly in the portrayal of science.

It's ironical she has once a creationist and set about to "challenge beliefs with calm and respect", a feature that has not been reciprocated by YECists in this thread.

 

[BCP1928]

So everything modern is "the earth talking to us," but if it's not-so-modern and not really mentioned, then all it is is an "interesting idea"?

I have a feeling that, prior to 2006, you would be telling me that the universe is telling us Pluto is our 9th planet.

The universe doesn't tell us whether Pluto is a planet or not. That's a decision made solely by scientists based on whatever classification system they happen to be using at the time. Nobody else cares and Pluto is not affected in any way by the decision

 

[Astrid]

We're all trying to cram our understanding of life into a box of some kind or other, which is fine so long as we don't get hung up on thinking that my box is somehow better than your box. We're all gonna die with a box full of stuff that really didn't matter to anybody but ourselves. So be passionate about your box, and be proud of the work that you've put into your box. But don't forget that it's just a box that'll be quickly forgotten along with everybody else's box.

But if you're content with your box that's all that really matters. Me, I've got a rather inauspicious box, but I like it. It suits me.

I cannot agree with that.
"Cram into box" is force fitting evidence to
theory, ie falsifying evidence. It is the exact
definition of intellrctual dishonesty.

Your evident suggestion that we are all equal
in this regard is just false. None are perfect,
we all do some confirmation bias.

But sticking to topic here, yec v science.

Those who do science have to understand that
rigorpus objectivity is a highest value, that if
an idea doesnt stand up to testing, its wrong.

Not just scientists, anyone for whom the results
of biased / error fulled work is disasterous.


Yec are the exact opposite. What counts is Faith
unwavering, in preconceived data free belief, no
matter what.

It does really matter if people are dishonest.

It matters a lot if an engineer just crams into,box
and the bridge collapses.

It matters if judge jury and prosecutors fit every
fact, yec style into the " you are guilty" ox.


I dont see how you can so casually dismiss
the grave consequences of irrational and dishonest
thinking.

 

[Neogaia777]

I cannot agree with that.
"Cram into box" is force fitting evidence to
theory, ie falsifying evidence. It is the exact
definition of intellrctual dishonesty.

Your evident suggestion that we are all equal
in this regard is just false. None are perfect,
we all do some confirmation bias.

But sticking to topic here, yec v science.

Those who do science have to understand that
rigorpus objectivity is a highest value, that if
an idea doesnt stand up to testing, its wrong.

Not just scientists, anyone for whom the results
of biased / error fulled work is disasterous.


Yec are the exact opposite. What counts is Faith
unwavering, in preconceived data free belief, no
matter what.

It does really matter if people are dishonest.

It matters a lot if an engineer just crams into,box
and the bridge collapses.

It matters if judge jury and prosecutors fit every
fact, yec style into the " you are guilty" ox.


I dont see how you can so casually dismiss
the grave consequences of irrational and dishonest
thinking.

I do think he meant the sometimes limited boxes of our own each individual sometimes limited understandings, etc, and wasn't criticizing or downplaying intellectual honesty, or dishonesty, or objectivity, etc.

And that we are all forced to each try to fit things into that box, as no one single person each individually or all by themselves knows or understands everything, or has it all, etc.

But, that aside, people all do need to admit when a thing is more than likely a fact (the earth being pretty old in this case, etc) and then only propose their theories around those more than likely facts in an objective way that is still totally possible or plausible in light of those more than likely facts, etc. Otherwise, it's totally dishonest, and is also pretty dang ignorant, or arrogant also, etc.

I accept the more than likely facts, and have proposed theories about the possibility of everything in the Bible still being 100% honest and true around those facts, etc.

And I think they are the most plausible ideas thus far until more objective facts are presented, etc, and if they ever are in the future at this point, I can 100% guarantee you that I will totally accept them if they ever are, and will even totally abandon all of my current theories if they ever are, etc.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

The universe doesn't tell us whether Pluto is a planet or not.

You'd have to talk to dlamberth about that, who now wants to deny the universe is communicating with him.

And I suspect it's because I made a good point.

(For the record, he's a panentheist.)