YEC is physically impossible

[Neogaia777]

"Creationism" is certainly not specific enough for me?

And then it also being "wrong", etc? I hope you mean "incorrect" or "in error", and not like in any way morally, etc? Because that just doesn't apply to things like this here, etc?

What about "creationism through natural processes" going all the way back to the beginnings of the earth or the universe maybe, etc? Is that in any way quote/unquote "wrong", etc?

And I also believe in a separate special creation of a race or species of man, or human, in a small localized chosen area in the middle east around 4-6000 years ago also, along with an evolved race or species that was pretty much everywhere except that area at the time also, etc, but that's just a belief I hold, or a theory I have, etc, but it is one that also cannot be disproven yet by any other facts so far, etc, so is believing in that for the time being quote/unquote "wrong", etc? I already know it's not morally "wrong", etc, and as for it's being not correct or not, etc, I've seen absolutely no evidence that can disprove the theory thus far, etc? So how can it then be quote/unquote "wrong", as in being totally incorrect "wrong", etc?

But if your talking about YEC creationism, of like the earth or the universe or whatever, well, I've already told you my views on that, and that I think it's incorrect or "wrong", etc.

God Bless.

Sorry, correction, 4-6000 B.C.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

"Creationism" is certainly not specific enough for me?

I hope that's a rhetorical question.

The Bible tells us what He did, how He did it, where He did it, what order He did it in, why He did it, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were (some of them by name).

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, correction, 4-6000 B.C.

God Bless.

You don't need a new post to correct a mistake.

Just click the EDIT button on the lower left, between the REPORT and DELETE buttons, and you can make corrections.

 

[Neogaia777]

I hope that's a rhetorical question.

The Bible tells us what He did, how He did it, where He did it, what order He did it in, why He did it, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were (some of them by name).

Can you tell me where you maybe think I am going wrong if you think I am maybe?

I would like to discuss it with you if you want to be more specific, etc?

Let's just start by you maybe telling me what some of your answers are to your own statements just now to start this off maybe, ok?

And then I might maybe tell you some of mine, ok?

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have no idea why your throwing around stuff that I've not said or even believe. That's not nice.

QV: POST 66

Wherein you said:

I come from a Panentheist perspective.

 

[Neogaia777]

You don't need a new post to correct a mistake.

Just click the EDIT button on the lower left, between the REPORT and DELETE buttons, and you can make corrections.

Yes, I know that, and I appreciate that, but sometimes I like to leave my own mistakes, etc.

God Bless.

 

[d taylor]

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A simple fact as to why evolution and other scientific claims about God's creation are false. Is that evolution and other scientific claims are taught in satans kingdoms over the earth. In public schools, promoted by and funded by satans kingdoms governments. I believer Israel may be the one exception.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible tells us what He did, how He did it, where He did it, what order He did it in, why He did it, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were (some of them by name).

Let's just start by you maybe telling me what some of your answers are to your own statements just now to start this off maybe, ok?

Sure:

Genesis 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27a So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Eyewitnesses:

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Those sons of God (angels) included: Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer.

Three eyewitnesses by name.

 

[Neogaia777]

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A simple fact as to why evolution and other scientific claims about God's creation are false. Is that evolution and other scientific claims are taught in satans kingdoms over the earth. In public schools, promoted by and funded by satans kingdoms governments. I believer Israel may be the one exception.

Good luck with that buddy.

Pride comes before a fall.

God Bless.

 

[Hans Blaster]

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A simple fact as to why evolution and other scientific claims about God's creation are false. Is that evolution and other scientific claims are taught in satans kingdoms over the earth. In public schools, promoted by and funded by satans kingdoms governments. I believer Israel may be the one exception.

I don't know about any other countries, but you claim to live (as I do) in the US, which is not a kingdom of any kind. Our government isn't run by "satan".

Also, your assertions don't address the correctness of evolution or any other science in the slightest. You just paint our efforts as associated with your "satan". That's not how you prove anything.

 

[AV1611VET]

A simple fact as to why evolution and other scientific claims about God's creation are false. Is that evolution and other scientific claims are taught in satans kingdoms over the earth. In public schools, promoted by and funded by satans kingdoms governments. I believer Israel may be the one exception.

As Paul put it ...

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Satan has an infrastructure on the earth, and if the nine muses, who are in charge of science and the arts, are nine fallen angels, then I look at his infrastructure this way:

First Satan.

Then the nine muses working for him, in charge of science and the arts.

Then the lesser fallen angels, working for the muses, in charge of influencing our academic teachers.

 

[dlamberth]

QV: POST 66

Wherein you said:

I'm thinking that you do not understand Panenthesim. That's pretty clear.

 

[Neogaia777]

Sure:

Genesis 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27a So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Eyewitnesses:

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Those sons of God (angels) included: Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer.

Three eyewitnesses by name.

And here I was hoping to have an actual conversation? Oh well I guess huh?

Anyway, I think you could be assuming in some areas maybe, and I also think that just quoting the creation account, is very much subject to man's interpretation, etc. Not to mention you left some out that I consider to be very much extremely "vitally important" as well, etc.

And there are just too many for me to mention specifically, or there are just too many specific examples to give, of all the different ways that can all be interpreted, or misinterpreted, etc, so unless we can go back to just some very basic and very simple answers to what you said in your post just before this, I don't know that I want to continue this conversation, without like having an "actual conversation", etc...

Sorry AV...

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm thinking that you do not understand Panenthesim. That's pretty clear.

I'm not interested in understanding Panentheism.

I'm interested in your claim that the ... as you call it ... "universe itSelf" speaks to you in a way that you're able to decipher.

Yet when I asked specifically if it spoke to you concerning Pluto being our 9th planet, you suddenly went 404.

 

[Neogaia777]

As Paul put it ...

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Satan has an infrastructure on the earth, and if the nine muses, who are in charge of science and the arts, are nine fallen angels, then I look at his infrastructure this way:

First Satan.

Then the nine muses working for him, in charge of science and the arts.

Then the lesser fallen angels, working for the muses, in charge of influencing our academic teachers.

Too much insanity for me, and I can't go there again.

Sorry AV.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

And here I was hoping to have an actual conversation? Oh well I guess huh?

Anyway, I think you could be assuming in some areas maybe, and I also think that just quoting the creation account, is very much subject to man's interpretation, etc.

Did I not quote you what God did, the order He did it in, where He did it, how He did it, and how long it took Him to do it?

Yes or No please.

 

[sjastro]

Answers?

I want test results.

Test results for creatio ex nihilo, Jesus walking on water, and the Resurrection.

Are you totally bereft of basic comprehension skills?

I asked you what statement in your previous response provides the clue as to why science cannot provide the answers.
The statement was "Luke wasn't there" as neither was the evidence for science to evaluate.
Since there are no test results available, does this mean you should take a hike?

In fact as usual you are wrong as the evidence that is available indicates Mathew, Mark and John weren't there either as the gospels were written in the period 70 AD - 100 AD.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you totally bereft of basic comprehension skills?

Maybe.

But you aren't, are you?

And it looks to me like you're trying to agree with me that science can't test our (God's, actually) claims.

And trying to keep science from looking myopic at the same time.

 

[Neogaia777]

Did I not quote you what God did, the order He did it in, where He did it, how He did it, and how long it took Him to do it?

Yes or No please.

You gave me everything I already know, but how a person interprets something is very much heavily reliant/dependent on his own perspective when he is reading it or is looking at it, etc.

Now when your ready to have an actual conversation about those interpretations, just let me know, ok.

But I'll just only mention just one single thing among so very many right now, ok, as just an example for you to work from, ok. You said that the Bible says that Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer were the ones (and only ones) that were present with God during creation when he was making things, etc. Well, while I'm not saying you are totally incorrect, it is still an assumption, as the Bible nowhere ever specifically ever says that ever, etc, so that could also be considered, when you are saying the Bible does specifically say that when it never specifically does, etc, it is adding or subtracting to God's word with an assumption, which can also be considered a deception, which can also be considered a lie, etc, and none of us should ever be doing that with God's word, etc, because it's a lie, etc.

And it's also still only just possible that Michael and Gabriel and Lucifer were the chief three highest ranking archangels, because that is also an assumption, that might be true, but also that might not be true, as the Bible never specifically says that anywhere, so it's just at best an idea or a theory, but, again, one that could be right, but also that could be wrong, as the Bible never specifically says it anywhere, so we need to always make sure that we are not only always fully following what is just only a theory right now, but that is not specifically in the Bible anywhere, as an absolute fact, etc, when it's just entirely possible, it could be a lie, etc.

And this is just one example for you, etc.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Since there are no test results available, does this mean you should take a hike?

It means Estrid (or anyone) shouldn't be saying it's wrong.