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How Does One Put A Pre-Trib Rapture Before “The Last Day”?

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who are those in Rev. 7:9-16? They are the Pre Trib Raptured Saints who came out of great tribulation.
Not correct.
The great multitude that John sees are living people; on earth. They are all the faithful Christian peoples from every tribe, race nation and language, who have gathered into all of the holy Land soon after the Sixth Seal disaster [a great tribulation, or great ordeal, as the REBible has it] has cleared and cleansed all the Middle East area.

Revelation 7 is a chapter of entirely earthly scenes, proved by the first 3 verses and no indication of a change of location.
Gods Throne is anywhere and everywhere, He can choose to reveal it whenever and wherever He chooses. Ezekiel 1:1, Acts 7:56
 
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There’s all kinds of different ideas floating around in this thread lol. Just go through it if you like, and see which one’s you agree with. I’m not dogmatic on any of my views. I have my own views like everyone else, but try to keep an open mind when it comes to things like prophecy.

God bless
I think that's wise.
 
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So what? They were saved and taken out of the flood. They had a boat, they were lifted up above the raging waters. This is very symbolic of the rapture.
Good point. People can make an analogy with anything but the same example can swing another direction depending on how one looks at it.
 
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In my mind, it's not ok for a bride to be and a groom to be, to live together prior to marriage, that God views that as a sin. Yet, that is exactly what Pretrib is doing per their view. They have the bride to be and the groom to be, living together for 7 years before they are even married.
So when a Christian dies aren't they present with the Lord now?

 
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Good point. People can make an analogy with anything but the same example can swing another direction depending on how one looks at it.

But you didn't explain the swing another way thing that you spoke of.
 
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But you didn't explain the swing another way thing that you spoke of.
What I meant was the other said Noah wasn't taken out of the earth but you pointed out he was in a sense. We can also see how Lot and his family was taken out of Sodom before the judgment came.
 
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So when a Christian dies aren't they present with the Lord now?
No.
All the dead await the Judgment after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15 The only exceptions will be the martyrs killed during the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns. Revelation 20:4
Job and David 'sleep' in their graves, so will you and me, We will rise to be Judged and those whose names are found in the Book of Life, will receive immortality. The rest will be annihilated and be remembered no more.
 
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Not correct.
The great multitude that John sees are living people; on earth. They are all the faithful Christian peoples from every tribe, race nation and language, who have gathered into all of the holy Land soon after the Sixth Seal disaster [a great tribulation, or great ordeal, as the REBible has it] has cleared and cleansed all the Middle East area.

Revelation 7 is a chapter of entirely earthly scenes, proved by the first 3 verses and no indication of a change of location.
Gods Throne is anywhere and everywhere, He can choose to reveal it whenever and wherever He chooses. Ezekiel 1:1, Acts 7:56
They are the pre tribulation raptured church who came out of great tribulation during the church age, not the greatest ever tribulation. We will have to agree to disagree here.
 
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All the dead await the Judgment after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15 The only exceptions will be the martyrs killed during the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns. Revelation 20:4
Job and David 'sleep' in their graves, so will you and me, We will rise to be Judged and those whose names are found in the Book of Life, will receive immortality. The rest will be annihilated and be remembered no more.
This is spot on except for the timing of when we go to be with the Lord, its at the pre tribulation rapture. We see in 1 Cor. 15:40-52 that no man goes to heaven until the rapture. We then marry the Lamb as soon as we get to heaven, Rev. 19 actually covers the full seven years.

But, no one goes to heaven is the correct concept. Of course God who lives in all time lives with us now in heaven, but in our universe this has not actually happened yet. Do not tell that to an atheist their heads will explode.
 
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They are the pre tribulation raptured church who came out of great tribulation during the church age, not the greatest ever tribulation. We will have to agree to disagree here.
We do agree, in the part where the Church passes thru the great ordeal of persecution and troubles of the past nearly 2000 years; culminating with the Sixth Seal = the great test of our faith. 1 Peter 4:12
But the peoples that John sees in Rev 7:9, are living Christians; on earth.

It is useless to say they are raptured saints, as that concept simply contradicts what the Bible actually says.
 
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who are those in Rev. 7:9-16? They are the Pre Trib Raptured Saints who came out of great tribulation.
Huh?? Rev. 7:14 says they are ones "coming out of the great tribulation," so how could they possibly be pre-trib raptured?
 
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Huh?? Rev. 7:14 says they are ones "coming out of the great tribulation," so how could they possibly be pre-trib raptured?
They must be interpreting the "great tribulation" as something occurring before the Reign of Antichrist, that saints escape out of. Or they must be mid-tribbers, who think they escape the Reign of Antichrist during that time period?
 
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Huh?? Rev. 7:14 says they are ones "coming out of the great tribulation," so how could they possibly be pre-trib raptured?
They must be interpreting the "great tribulation" as something occurring before the Reign of Antichrist, that saints escape out of. Or they must be mid-tribbers, who think they escape the Reign of Antichrist during that time period?
Coming out of great tribulation is the trouble the church has faced over the last 2 millennia. In fact people are still being martyred in some countries non stop. Just because some people have comfortable lives, does not mean the church as a whole has not suffered for their testimony.

This is even the tribulation of those days: Matthew 24:4-13

"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

All this is not Jacob's Trouble. This is the state of the church consistently until the Second Coming. Jacob's Trouble or the Great Tribulation is after the Second Coming, when Jesus is on the earth with His angels gathering the final harvest.

This multitude is not just a few years worth of redeemed. This is the entire church from Abel until the Second Coming. Even people in the OT suffered tribulation.
 
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Coming out of great tribulation is the trouble the church has faced over the last 2 millennia. In fact people are still being martyred in some countries non stop. Just because some people have comfortable lives, does not mean the church as a whole has not suffered for their testimony.

This is even the tribulation of those days: Matthew 24:4-13

"And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

All this is not Jacob's Trouble. This is the state of the church consistently until the Second Coming. Jacob's Trouble or the Great Tribulation is after the Second Coming, when Jesus is on the earth with His angels gathering the final harvest.

This multitude is not just a few years worth of redeemed. This is the entire church from Abel until the Second Coming. Even people in the OT suffered tribulation.
I have for a very long time stated that the "Great Tribulation" includes the entire NT era. We agree on that much apparently? But most people, when they mention the "Great Tribulation," are referring to the Reign of Antichrist, whether 7 years or 3.5 years. That's what I was referring to--the Reign of Antichrist.
 
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I have for a very long time stated that the "Great Tribulation" includes the entire NT era. We agree on that much apparently? But most people, when they mention the "Great Tribulation," are referring to the Reign of Antichrist, whether 7 years or 3.5 years. That's what I was referring to--the Reign of Antichrist.
What many miss though is that the 7th Trumpet is also the 3rd woe. The 3rd woe is Revelation 13, 17, and 18. Jesus has already been sitting in judgment in Jerusalem during the first 6 Trumpets and the 7 Thunders. The 7th Trumpet is declaring the final harvest over and now all nations and kingdoms have become those of Christ. Revelation 11:15

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

This is the end of Jacob's trouble and the GT. Then we see Satan is declared the 8th king, and the 42 month long Babylonian Empire, after the 7th Trumpet has already started to sound, as the 3rd woe. So people are so sure that there is going to be this 3rd woe, and that is all they talk about.

The only reason why there would be a 3rd woe, is that some humans will choose to chop their head off to avoid the mark that is instigated in the third woe. That is the ultimate decision during those 42 months. Not that there will or will not be an AC. The 7th Trumpet has declared time is up. So this is an extension of grace. But the catch is that only those beheaded will escape the second death. All alive by the end of the 42 months will have the mark.

Those beheaded are not mentioned in Revelation 7:9. Those beheaded are not mentioned in Revelation 14. Those beheaded are not mentioned in Revelation 15. The only place these beheaded are mentioned is in Revelation 20 after Satan is defeated and bound in the pit.

So there cannot be a rapture at the end of the 42 months. The 2 witnesses are killed at the end of the 42 months. A rapture is for those alive and remain. The beheaded are not raptured. They are not alive and remain. There is an ascension prior to the 42 months, because Jesus and the 144k vacate the throne and Jerusalem, as Satan is declared King. That is not a rapture, unless Acts 1 is considered a rapture. The 144k do not need to be changed. They were sealed and changed to withstand the GT during the Trumpets and Thunders. They were impervious to the woes, just like the 2 witnesses are impervious for 42 months, before Satan is given the authority to kill them. But the 2 witnesses are not changed. The same dead physical body, comes back to life and ascends into heaven. They literally lay there while the vials of God's wrath are poured out, and then leave before that earthquake shakes up Jerusalem. Jerusalem is not destroyed during that earthquake, but those still alive, do leave heading for Armageddon to fight against the Lamb.

"And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."

All of earth were evacuated and assembled at Armageddon, while the last of human works were leveled to make way for a new heavens and earth for the Millennial reign on the earth. It is reasonable and plausible to state the church was removed and had no part in this final harvest, because after all, the final harvest is to remove all of humanity one way or the other from the earth. Not even the final harvest goes through Satan's 42 months of AoD. Only those beheaded go through until the point they are beheaded. The 2 witnesses go through and are killed and lay dead for 3.5 days, the end of the week of the 7th Trumpet.

But what is meant by the last day? The last day of Adam's dead corruptible flesh? The last day of current creation? The last Day of the Lord? The last thousand years?

How about the church leaves on the last day of the church on earth? Then the church waits in Paradise until that last Day of the Lord is completed? The church rejoins all the nations on earth after the NHNE in the New Jerusalem. Paradise is still Paradise until the NHNE as well. The church is supposed to bring in the full harvest, no? There should not be any one left on earth unredeemed, if the church maintained the full power of the keys:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

The problem is the willingness of humanity to give up submission to God. The best case scenario is the church being the mountain that filled the entire earth. While we should expect the best outcome, why do people then accept the worse outcome and that Satan is allowed a 42 month extension so a few souls can be beheaded or even millions, when the church should have already had all those souls covered.

The issue is that some of the church will have to watch in shame while they would rather be on the earth during the final harvest making up for lost time. Not that the church is trying to escape something. Once Jesus is on the earth, that is it for the church. The door to their harvest has closed, and now it is the angels who will be doing the harvesting. That is the explanation Jesus gave in Matthew 13 and Matthew 25. The church watches from heaven, not stuck on the earth, wishing they had done more.
 
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Huh?? Rev. 7:14 says they are ones "coming out of the great tribulation," so how could they possibly be pre-trib raptured?
Lets look at the verse here

(KJV) Rev. 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revulation 7:14 And 2532 I said 2046 z5758 vnto him, 846 Sir, 2962 thou 4771 knowest. 1492 z5758 And 2532 he said 2036 z5627 to me, 3427 These 3778 are x1526 they y1526 z5748 which came 2064 z5740 out of 1537 great 3173 tribulation, 2347 and 2532 haue washed 4150 z5656 their y846 x848 robes, 4749 and 2532 made y3021 z0 them y4749 y846 white 3021 z5656 x848 in 1722 the x3588 blood 129 of the x3588 Lambe. 721

Other bibles come along and add in THE to the text because they have a confirmation bias, thinking only the 70th week can be great tribulation, its a mindset I had for 25 plus years also. But once I understood no one is Raptured to Heaven until just before the 70th week starts (I always knew the Rapture was Pre Trib, but I thought people went straight to heaven. 1 Cor. 15 shows us that is not the case).

Also, via the 5th Seal we see that Jesus tells the Martyrs of the 70th week they must wait on vengeance until all of their brothers have been killed in like manner as they have. So, no one is raptured to the Marriage of the Lamb unto his bride after the doors have been shut. Rev. 20:4 proves this also, only after Jesus returns do the Martyrs of Jesus get raised and judged. So, no one from the 70th week are going to be seen in heaven, according to the scriptures. Thus those seen in Rev. 7:9-16 can only be pre tribulation raptured saints.

In John 16:33 Jesus told us all time on this earth is tribulation.

So, those seen in Rev. 7:9-16, like those seen in Rev. 4:4 and 5:9-10 are the pre trib raptured church saints.
 
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What many miss though is that the 7th Trumpet is also the 3rd woe. The 3rd woe is Revelation 13, 17, and 18. Jesus has already been sitting in judgment in Jerusalem during the first 6 Trumpets and the 7 Thunders. The 7th Trumpet is declaring the final harvest over and now all nations and kingdoms have become those of Christ. Revelation 11:15

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

This is the end of Jacob's trouble and the GT. Then we see Satan is declared the 8th king, and the 42 month long Babylonian Empire, after the 7th Trumpet has already started to sound, as the 3rd woe. So people are so sure that there is going to be this 3rd woe, and that is all they talk about.

The only reason why there would be a 3rd woe, is that some humans will choose to chop their head off to avoid the mark that is instigated in the third woe. That is the ultimate decision during those 42 months. Not that there will or will not be an AC. The 7th Trumpet has declared time is up. So this is an extension of grace. But the catch is that only those beheaded will escape the second death. All alive by the end of the 42 months will have the mark.

Those beheaded are not mentioned in Revelation 7:9. Those beheaded are not mentioned in Revelation 14. Those beheaded are not mentioned in Revelation 15. The only place these beheaded are mentioned is in Revelation 20 after Satan is defeated and bound in the pit.

So there cannot be a rapture at the end of the 42 months. The 2 witnesses are killed at the end of the 42 months. A rapture is for those alive and remain. The beheaded are not raptured. They are not alive and remain. There is an ascension prior to the 42 months, because Jesus and the 144k vacate the throne and Jerusalem, as Satan is declared King. That is not a rapture, unless Acts 1 is considered a rapture. The 144k do not need to be changed. They were sealed and changed to withstand the GT during the Trumpets and Thunders. They were impervious to the woes, just like the 2 witnesses are impervious for 42 months, before Satan is given the authority to kill them. But the 2 witnesses are not changed. The same dead physical body, comes back to life and ascends into heaven. They literally lay there while the vials of God's wrath are poured out, and then leave before that earthquake shakes up Jerusalem. Jerusalem is not destroyed during that earthquake, but those still alive, do leave heading for Armageddon to fight against the Lamb.

"And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."

All of earth were evacuated and assembled at Armageddon, while the last of human works were leveled to make way for a new heavens and earth for the Millennial reign on the earth. It is reasonable and plausible to state the church was removed and had no part in this final harvest, because after all, the final harvest is to remove all of humanity one way or the other from the earth. Not even the final harvest goes through Satan's 42 months of AoD. Only those beheaded go through until the point they are beheaded. The 2 witnesses go through and are killed and lay dead for 3.5 days, the end of the week of the 7th Trumpet.

But what is meant by the last day? The last day of Adam's dead corruptible flesh? The last day of current creation? The last Day of the Lord? The last thousand years?

How about the church leaves on the last day of the church on earth? Then the church waits in Paradise until that last Day of the Lord is completed? The church rejoins all the nations on earth after the NHNE in the New Jerusalem. Paradise is still Paradise until the NHNE as well. The church is supposed to bring in the full harvest, no? There should not be any one left on earth unredeemed, if the church maintained the full power of the keys:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

The problem is the willingness of humanity to give up submission to God. The best case scenario is the church being the mountain that filled the entire earth. While we should expect the best outcome, why do people then accept the worse outcome and that Satan is allowed a 42 month extension so a few souls can be beheaded or even millions, when the church should have already had all those souls covered.

The issue is that some of the church will have to watch in shame while they would rather be on the earth during the final harvest making up for lost time. Not that the church is trying to escape something. Once Jesus is on the earth, that is it for the church. The door to their harvest has closed, and now it is the angels who will be doing the harvesting. That is the explanation Jesus gave in Matthew 13 and Matthew 25. The church watches from heaven, not stuck on the earth, wishing they had done more.
I read about half way down your post and realized I cannot address the issues you raise because from my point of view, you're explaining things as if the book of Revelation is chronological and linear. By contrast I see Revelation as a series of separate, though related, visions, sometimes containing chronological sequences, and sometimes not. The context is key to discerning this.

So I believe the scroll vision, containing 7 seals and 7 trumpets, is a single vision, separate from the rest of the book of Revelation, and brings us to the coming of Christ and his Kingdom in the final trumpet, which is, as you said, the 3rd woe. This is the end of the age as I see it.

So when you see the narrative continue as if chronological following the 7th Trumpet, I cannot follow that. For me, new visions appear, explaining the 1st one, and each vision has its own time sequence. As such, ch. 14 shows Christ's Coming independent of other visions. Rev 19-20 brings us to the end of the age and Christ's Coming once again. Ch. 16 contains Armageddon, which is also the end of the age and Christ's Coming. They are separate visions declaring the same truths and the same time period in different ways.

I should add that many of the visions John is sometimes just explaining that he sees one vision, and then he sees another vision. This doesn't at all mean that the fulfillment of these visions are sequential--only that he is seeing them one after another.

Furthermore, a number of his visions are prolepses, indicating that they show Christ coming as if it is happening in John's presence. But they are really just a literary mechanism for showing something that will happen in the future as seen by a prophet.

Oh well! ;)
 
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I read about half way down your post and realized I cannot address the issues you raise because from my point of view, you're explaining things as if the book of Revelation is chronological and linear. By contrast I see Revelation as a series of separate, though related, visions, sometimes containing chronological sequences, and sometimes not. The context is key to discerning this.

So I believe the scroll vision, containing 7 seals and 7 trumpets, is a single vision, separate from the rest of the book of Revelation, and brings us to the coming of Christ and his Kingdom in the final trumpet, which is, as you said, the 3rd woe. This is the end of the age as I see it.

So when you see the narrative continue as if chronological following the 7th Trumpet, I cannot follow that. For me, new visions appear, explaining the 1st one, and each vision has its own time sequence. As such, ch. 14 shows Christ's Coming independent of other visions. Rev 19-20 brings us to the end of the age and Christ's Coming once again. Ch. 16 contains Armageddon, which is also the end of the age and Christ's Coming. They are separate visions declaring the same truths and the same time period in different ways.

I should add that many of the visions John is sometimes just explaining that he sees one vision, and then he sees another vision. This doesn't at all mean that the fulfillment of these visions are sequential--only that he is seeing them one after another.

Furthermore, a number of his visions are prolepses, indicating that they show Christ coming as if it is happening in John's presence. But they are really just a literary mechanism for showing something that will happen in the future as seen by a prophet.

Oh well! ;)
Sounds like an excuse to put the 3rd woe first and the first woe last. Do you not think the woes happen in order, or do we get to choose, and some live it one way and others get to live it out another way?

Armageddon is not the Second Coming. Armageddon is a planned event that happens at the end of the 42 months given to Satan.

How surprised will you be when 2 Peter 3:10 happens?

There is only one Second Coming, and it is not mentioned in Revelation 19 nor 16.

I obviously don't put Revelation in the order people think it should go. There is nothing wrong with the order John gave.

But the 3rd woe is this alleged reign of an alleged AC. So John probably should have called it the first woe, since that is what modern theology tends to have made up their minds about on the matter.

You may not agree. I just pointed out what the 3rd woe is.
 
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Sounds like an excuse to put the 3rd woe first and the first woe last. Do you not think the woes happen in order, or do we get to choose, and some live it one way and others get to live it out another way?
I'm only saying that the order in which John saw these visions does not argue for their happening in an exact chronological sequence. They are snapshots, and the chronology as well as the sequence must be determined by the context.

It appears to me that the 3rd woe is simply the coming of Christ with his Kingdom, accompanied by the associated phenomena. The previous woes obviously occur before that because in context, they precede the end of the age.
Armageddon is not the Second Coming. Armageddon is a planned event that happens at the end of the 42 months given to Satan.
I respect your view, but that isn't my view. I see Armageddon as the final battle of the age, when nations are gathered to Israel and Christ returns to deliver Israel. That happens at the end of the 42 months plus however much time it takes for troops to gather from across the world to Armageddon.

Christ is depicted in ch. 19 as coming for battle upon a white horse. His armies follow him. This has to be Armageddon, as far as I'm concerned. Jesus is the Word of God, controlling the events of history and determining their outcome. And he comes with his people to inherit the earth following the destruction of Antichrist's Army.
How surprised will you be when 2 Peter 3:10 happens?
2 Pet 3.10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

I see this as a colorful description of an apocalyptic battle, with clouds of smoke rising to cover the sky, and vegetation burning and rocks melting, exposing the helplessness of men before the judgment of God. I will not be surprised at all. The world is getting so wicked that I can see it happening soon.

It is the wicked who will be surprised because they are not serving the Lord. They think they are getting away with their wicked deeds. Those who serve God will not be surprised since they are in the will of God and will not be judged by Jesus when he comes. Instead, we will be gathered together with him and inherit the earth together with him.
There is only one Second Coming, and it is not mentioned in Revelation 19 nor 16.

I obviously don't put Revelation in the order people think it should go. There is nothing wrong with the order John gave.

But the 3rd woe is this alleged reign of an alleged AC. So John probably should have called it the first woe, since that is what modern theology tends to have made up their minds about on the matter.

You may not agree. I just pointed out what the 3rd woe is.
Timothy, as long as you're doing your best before God you can rest easy. I have zero interest in being overly dogmatic on these things. I just try to be right myself.
 
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