How Does One Put A Pre-Trib Rapture Before “The Last Day”?

[Divide]

1 Peter 3:20 RV which aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:

Please note they were still on the earth smack dab in the middle of the flood. They went "through" the flood (water) and were not taken off the planet.

So what? They were saved and taken out of the flood. They had a boat, they were lifted up above the raging waters. This is very symbolic of the rapture.

 

[Divide]

Yeah, 8 people went up in Noah’s ark. How many people do you reckon will still be alive and remain by the end of the tribulation when the rapture happens? Not very many.. types ands shadows lol. People just assume that the rapture is a world wide global event. Not so, by the end of the tribulation it will be a very localized event because very few people will still be alive. If God had not cut those days short no flesh would survive.

So, are you saying the Bride of Christ will be the last one left to save?

 

[Divide]

The wrath of God is eternal suffering after death. Not the temporary experience in the form and way physical death comes to a person. Good and bad people a like die in horrific disasters all the time, every day.

This sounds like a yes to my question of will the Bride go through the great tribulation.

I do not believe that.

Why is the rapture being taught as imminent? There is a doctrine of immenince that says we are to be ready and watching because it can happen anytime.

Understand?

 

[WilliamK76]

So, are you saying the Bride of Christ will be the last one left to save?

The bride of Christ is going thru the tribulation like everyone else. God has means and ways though to keep some safe during that time

 

[SavedByGrace3]

So what? They were saved and taken out of the flood. They had a boat, they were lifted up above the raging waters. This is very symbolic of the rapture.

Only if you believe in a pre-trib rapture, otherwise, it is just the story of the flood. I would not manipulate information from the OT to generate doctrine, especially when the true doctrine is clearly specified in the NT. But I recall this type when I was a pre-triber some 50 years ago. It is a common presentation.

 

[WilliamK76]

Why is the rapture being taught as imminent? There is a doctrine of immenince that says we are to be ready and watching because it can happen anytime.

Understand?

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.


1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.


1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

This sounds like a yes to my question of will the Bride go through the great tribulation.

I do not believe that.

Why is the rapture being taught as imminent? There is a doctrine of immenince that says we are to be ready and watching because it can happen anytime.

Understand?

It is not hard to understand. It is just wrong. I believed it for a few years after being saved in 1971. I think it was "The Late Great Planet Earth," Dake's writings, and Larken's teaching on dispensationalism that had me. And Scofield, I think.
Then I actually read scripture and found that it was not taught in scripture; scripture actually taught against it, and we are even warned about being deceived by it.
Regarding imminent - Paul said it will not happen before the falling away and man of sin is revealed. Jesus said it would happen after the (great) tribulation of those days. It will happen on "the last day" at the "last trump."

 

[WilliamK76]

Regarding imminent - Paul said it will not happen before the falling away and man of sin is revealed. Jesus said it would happen after the (great) tribulation of those days. It will happen on "the last day" at the "last trump."

Beautiful presentation Let’s see how many more illogical loop holes people can come up with to convince themselves to not see the simple truth that is staring them right in the face lol.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi, I understand all these arguments for a pretrib rapture.. I use to believe in a pretrib, but I’m sorry, it’s just not the truth in my opinion. We can thank Scofield, and Darby for all the confusion and deception in the body of Christ over these things. I pray that you have a blessed day though, God bless

If you think of God`s purpose for the Body of Christ then that will help in realising when we go to glory to rule with the Lord from His own throne. (Rev. 3: 21)

 

[anetazo]

Jesus has fun and wonderful place for the rapture turkeys. Psalm chapter 9 . Wicked are gathered in hell. It's holding place for the spirtualty dead or wicked.

The rapture theory is false doctrine. False brethren take away the defense from ignorant sheep. Instead of nourishing them with sound doctrine.

Ezekiel chapter 13. False brethren are not registered in Israel records. The false teachers go into pit with satan near future. Fake shepherds are spirtual murderers.

Hell is sheol. It's a awful place. The fake shepherds are waiting for judgement day. Jesus will drop the hammer on judgement day. The lake of fire is for satan. And reprobates.

The false preachers will see how much fun hell is near future.

 

[d taylor]

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So at the end of the tribulation (last day) Jesus will rapture believers, but then turn around and bring them back to earth. The very moment they are raptured when Jesus returns to earth to fight for Israel.

Now that (above) is a, does not make sense idea about the rapture.

 

[All Becomes New]

Now that (above) is a does not make sense idea about the rapture.

It makes perfect sense. We escort Christ back to the earth.

The parable of 10 virgins says exactly the same thing. The same exact word is used for escort.

 

[Divide]

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So at the end of the tribulation (last day) Jesus will rapture believers, but then turn around and bring them back to earth. The very moment they are raptured when Jesus returns to earth to fight for Israel.

Now that (above) is a does not make sense idea about the rapture.

SO there's like only 2 or 3 pretribbers on this board? Wow. It musy have been after they stopped teaching Critical Thinking in schools that people began missing the obvious.

Everybody and their mother preaches a different version of the rapture in todays world. I used to be a post tribber myself. But there was always a few things they wouldnt adress, or they'd casually dismiss it, lol. So they have much of the last day correct, but missed a fundemental change of subject in Matthew 24 because that Pastor doesn't know greek, so he missed the change of subject. I told them this and no one wants to address that, lol.

You have to read and study what it really says for yourself and not just agree with that certain Pastor that said it was post trib. Hey, he did all the homework for us and so we'll go with that.

I didn't lightly change my view on Post-Trib. I took a bit of time but the inconsistences are there and can be answered easily if you leave room in your thinking that (Gasp) you could be wrong. A pre trib rapture clears all those inconsistencies up rather nicely. But I didn't get it until I did my own homework.

So all you Post-Tribbers...can you find the change of subject that Jesus made in Matthew 24? You'll need a concordance if you don't know Greek.

Raptured up into the clouds to only return right back to earth almost immediately! Boy oh boy does Jesus know how to plan a wedding or doesnt He?! That'll be some date night.

Honey, first I'm going to let them beat the crap out of you and then we'll go to dinner...!
Uhh, yeah right!

 

[All Becomes New]

Honey, first I'm going to let them beat the crap out of you and then we'll go to dinner...!
Uhh, yeah right!

This is the real reason people are pre-trib. They don't want to suffer. It's emotionally motivated. They ignore all the passages in the NT about suffering for Jesus (and there are tons of them).

You should tell the Christians in Nigeria that you don't have to suffer to be a Christian. They would look at you like you came from the moon.

 

[Divide]

This is the real reason people are pre-trib. They don't want to suffer. It's emotionally motivated. They ignore all the passages in the NT about suffering for Jesus (and there are tons of them).

You should tell the Christians in Nigeria that you don't have to suffer to be a Christian. They would look at you like you came from the moon.

WHoosh! You missed it. Who said Christians will not suffer tribulation? No one. But!

Do you understand the difference between tribulations which are common to man and the Great Tribulation a time of suffering like the world has never seen before?

Apparently not. We all suffer our entire lives. But the Bride of Christ was never appointed unto the Bride to suffer God's wrath.

Keep studying...

 

[Divide]

This is the real reason people are pre-trib. They don't want to suffer. It's emotionally motivated. They ignore all the passages in the NT about suffering for Jesus (and there are tons of them).

You should tell the Christians in Nigeria that you don't have to suffer to be a Christian. They would look at you like you came from the moon.

It's not that hard to spot the change of subject in Matthw 24. The more I read it, the more obvious it becomes. I'll give you a hint, it's in the last half of the chapter. Care to read that chapter and comment on it?

 

[All Becomes New]

Apparently not. We all suffer our entire lives. But the Bride of Christ was never appointed unto the Bride to suffer God's wrath.

I don't know any post-trib people who think Christians suffer God's wrath, do you? Could you site one?

God pours out His wrath on unbelievers. That is different than persecution.

Also, it shows how little you know of how much Christians have suffered if you say, "Well, they have to suffer persecution, but not persecution that is that bad." Do you not understand that there have been Christian children who have been crucified while being burned alive at the same time?

 

[DavidPT]

WHoosh! You missed it. Who said Christians will not suffer tribulation? No one. But!

Do you understand the difference between tribulations which are common to man and the Great Tribulation a time of suffering like the world has never seen before?

Apparently not. We all suffer our entire lives. But the Bride of Christ was never appointed unto the Bride to suffer God's wrath.

Keep studying...

In the real world, what does it typically mean if a bride to be and a groom to be live together before they are legally married? Does God view that as a sin? Or is He ok with that, thus it's not a sinful act? The reason why this might matter is because, if there is a Pretrib rapture and 7 years later there is the wedding, this basically indicates that the bride has been living with the groom outside of marriage.

If God is not ok with that if applying to a real world scenario, why would He be ok with that per a scenario such as Pretrib followed by a wedding 7 years later? Wouldn't that make Him technically a hypocrite if something like this is sinful when applied to the real world, yet He allows the bride of Christ to live with the groom prior to the wedding? Which might mean as well, though it's currently not my position, but that maybe it should be, that maybe soul sleep is true after all. Because when you really think about it you basically have the same thing if souls go to heaven upon death, that they are living with the groom outside of marriage.

The way around this I guess, in the real world it is not a sin for a bride to be and a groom to be, to live together before they are married. That God does not view that as a sin whatsoever, thus it is ok for everyone to do that before they are legally married. That way the bride of Christ can live with Christ, the groom, before that of the wedding as well.

Keeping in mind, everything I submitted above is thinking outside of the box.

 

[Divide]

I don't know any post-trib people who think Christians suffer God's wrath, do you? Could you site one?

No, but I can cite you scriptures that prove it.
Can you cite verses and not people to make your case?

God pours out His wrath on unbelievers. That is different than persecution.

It talks about God's wrath in Revelation 16

1 Then I heard a mighty voice from the Temple say to the seven angels, “Go your ways and pour out on the earth the seven bowls containing God’s wrath.”.../NLT

So I'm not seeing where you said God pours out His wrath on only the unbelievers. Can you cite the verse where it says that? Because accoring to this, it seems you are mistaken.

Also, it shows how little you know of how much Christians have suffered if you say, "Well, they have to suffer persecution, but not persecution that is that bad." Do you not understand that there have been Christian children who have been crucified while being burned alive at the same time?

I said we all have to suffer tribulations and some persecution but that we were not appointed to be subject to God's wrath.

Revelation 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.../KJV

Jesus is telling you here that He wont make you go through that. To try them that dwell upon the Earth...again, not the Unbelievers only, but those who dwell upon the earth. Can you see that?

I have not seen a single scripture from you which even tries to validate your position of a post trib rapture. You should listen to pastor sermons less and read it for yourself more.

Or perhaps you can explain what is the meaning of Revelation 3:10? If that's not talking about not having to experience God Wrath, then what is it?

 

[Divide]

In the real world, what does it typically mean if a bride to be and a groom to be live together before they are legally married? Does God view that as a sin? Or is He ok with that, thus it's not a sinful act? The reason why this might matter is because, if there is a Pretrib rapture and 7 years later there is the wedding, this basically indicates that the bride has been living with the groom outside of marriage.

That might be the funniest thing I have ever read!

If God is not ok with that if applying to a real world scenario, why would He be ok with that per a scenario such as Pretrib followed by a wedding 7 years later?

What? Who said the wedding don't start until after 7 years? I didn't. The Marriage Supper of the Lamb will be taking place at the same time as the Tribulation on the earth.

So would the Jesus you know take His Fiance to a Bloods & Crips gang war before the wedding reception? Then dinner afterwards? My friend, that is not the Jesus I know.

Why does scripture say for the Bride to make herself ready? For what? To run from the anti-christ? That makes no sense whatsoever.

You really think that Jesus would do that? Wow...