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someone had talked about the church in those terms and someone else had accused them of just making it up, not realizing it was a quote from the scriptures.
Brother, that quote from 1 Timothy 3:15 is only true because prophets are raised from among us and not because non-prophets in the church have any guaranteed truth to give us from God. What your church believes about the Fourth Commandments is no excuse for contradicting the guaranteed word of God by the prophets to obey the Eleven Commandments.

Moses continued, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. For this is what you yourselves requested of the LORD your God when you were assembled at Mount Sinai. You said, ‘Don’t let us hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore or see this blazing fire, for we will die.’ “Then the LORD said to me, ‘What they have said is right. I will raise up a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites. I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command him. I will personally deal with anyone who will not listen to the messages the prophet proclaims on my behalf. But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die.’ “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the LORD?’ If the prophet speaks in the LORD’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the LORD did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:15-22 NLT)​

The truth is found in the word of God guaranteed through the prophets and not in the non-prophet-based human traditions of the church, as evidenced by Jesus' words in the following passage.

Jesus replied, “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote, ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commandments from God.’ For you ignore God’s law/commandment and substitute your own tradition.” Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) in order to hold on to your own tradition. For instance, Moses gave you this law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.” (Mark 7:6-13 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, that quote from 1 Timothy 3:15 is only true because prophets are raised from among us and not because non-prophets in the church have any guaranteed truth to give us from God.
What your church...
Brother, I believe this is a key place where we see things differently. There is no "my church", or "your church", there is one Church, one body of Christ.



...believes about the Fourth Commandments is no excuse for contradicting the guaranteed word of God by the prophets to obey the Eleven Commandments.

Moses continued, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. For this is what you yourselves requested of the LORD your God when you were assembled at Mount Sinai. You said, ‘Don’t let us hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore or see this blazing fire, for we will die.’ “Then the LORD said to me, ‘What they have said is right. I will raise up a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites. I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command him. I will personally deal with anyone who will not listen to the messages the prophet proclaims on my behalf. But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die.’ “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the LORD?’ If the prophet speaks in the LORD’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the LORD did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:15-22 NLT)​

The truth is found in the word of God guaranteed through the prophets and not in the non-prophet-based human traditions of the church, as evidenced by Jesus' words in the following passage.

Jesus replied, “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote, ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commandments from God.’ For you ignore God’s law/commandment and substitute your own tradition.” Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) in order to hold on to your own tradition. For instance, Moses gave you this law(nomos)/commandment(entolé) from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.” (Mark 7:6-13 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Some things to consider, if you wish:
I don't think all of the same things about the Bible today that I did 20 years ago. Yet both now and then, I would say that I was following the scriptures and listening to the Holy Spirit.

What changed? A big piece was rubbing alongside of other Christians... the Church, the body of Christ.
I’m not sure if you know this, but when a believer receives the Holy Spirit, it is the Spirit that guides, not the believer. If you don’t think the same thing about the Bible as you did 20 years ago, don’t worry. The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth. If you are lead away due to some confusion, it’s the work of the Holy Spirit to get you back on track. Why? Because you belong to Christ, and none can be lost, John 6:39 KJV, nor can the gates of hell prevail, Matthew 16:18 KJV.

I will give an example of something that happened to me. I know I received the Spirit when I was baptized because of the many tears I cried uncontrollably, where I knew God’s power overshadowed me. At that time, I was not living a completely righteous life. Some people would say I could not have received the Spirit if I was still living a sinful life. But that’s not true. Because, when we come to Jesus, we come as sinners needing the Spirit to transform us, so there has to be a starting point of transformation, and that starting point is from sinning to renewing our minds to walk holy.

For me it was years later that I learned the importance of God’s word; through many trials. Although I was really confused, the Spirit never left me. This became apparent to me when I ended up with a religious group that taught we must keep the Mosiac law. These people would not baptize their members unless the men were circumcised, and a woman had to wait until after her minstrel - claiming each situation was unclean based on the cleanliness law of Moses, and claiming an unclean person could not come to Jesus. Women were even told to go through the separation after childbearing, but realizing this presented a problem for some women, a letter was circulated excusing this practice. Now all of this was absolutely against the gospel of Christ, and an outright denial of Jesus. And, when I questioned the teachings, I was starting to feel I was hated. I was a threat to those teachers’ authority who controlled the members. A clique formed against me. Even the closest person to me joined in. These people said they believed in Jesus because they said “in the name of Jesus” at the end of their prayers. But they believed the law made them righteous, not Christ.

Each week traveling to church I suffered panic attacks. I would be calming my breathing and prayed all the way there - and I still had not made the decision to leave. Finally, I saw a program on false teaching where the Holy Spirit revealed to me that those I was worshiping with were the same as those in Galatians 3:1 KJV, and they had been bewitched. I saw it clearly. I was given the courage to leave that church.

Of course I felt lonely and had no one to worship with, and everywhere I turned, I saw people were not speaking the truth of the Bible. I was very disheartened by this, and cried a lot. Finally, through the compassion, patience, and comfort of the Holy Spirit, Who was always in control, I was given the revelation that I must go outside the camp.

Outside the camp: Hebrews 13:12-13 KJV, which is patterned after Exodus 33:7 KJV

We must go outside the camp to learn of God, and the Holy Spirit will show up mightily in our lives. Our lives are patterned after Jesus. Just as Jesus sanctified the people with His blood outside the gate, we must also go outside the camp for our individual sanctification.

Another resource that is so profound and absolutely true. Praise God Almighty for our coming King Jesus Christ.


The establishment of Jesus Church
When the gospel of Christ speaks of the church or the body of Christ, this is not a church building, a denomination, nor is it a group. The church is “all” believers; all those who belong to Christ no matter where they are located or scattered. Believers go to church services alongside people who profess to be believers - all in the same building under a paricular denomination. But, It is not the church organization or denomination that matters to God. Only the true believers matter. Jesus said let the wheat grow with the tares and He will separate them in the end, Matthew 13:30 KJV.

The church was already established, and understanding Revelation gives us the answer. This gets to be a little long to explain, but I will try to shorten it:

Believers are called the “church” and the church that belong to Jesus represents the seven golden candlesticks, Revelation 1:12 KJV, Revelation 1:20 KJV, and the seven stars in Jesus right hand, Revelation 1:16 KJV, Revelation 1:20 KJV.

There were originally seven churches that spread the “light” (seven Golden Candlesticks) of the gospel,” Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum,Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea. It is these seven churches that the “church” - all believers all over the world was established from.

The seven churches that spread the gospel is patterned after the golden candlesticks in the temple that stayed lit, Exodus 27:20-21 KJV, Leviticus 6:13 KJV. So, the spreading of the gospel throughout the ages stays lit through the Devine Light of the Spirit, in the hearts of believers who are the temple of God, 1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 6:19 KJV, and who continuously spread the gospel and convert the hearts of men.

The temple was rent in twin at Jesus death, the seven churches where the gospel was spread is no longer standing but their representatives still live, that is, the seven stars in Jesus right hand, who are the angels over the seven churches.
When we read the Bible - or anything - we bring our prejudices and preconceptions along with us. If we only study the Bible by ourselves, those prejudices and preconceptions never get challenged.
We cannot understand the Bible without the Holy Spirit’s help. He will show you His truth through revelation as you read and pray for understanding. The work of the Holy Spirit is unmistakable- you will know! It’s the Power of the Most High operating in your heart and mind to bring you the truth of the word. We are given discernment to know what’s true and what’s not true so don’t worry. Jesus said my sheep hear my voice - because Jesus said it, it’s prophesied to be so. That’s our guarantee.

When Jesus says that the Spirit will "guide you into all truth", does he mean each individual, or the body of Christ as a whole?
The Holy Spirit is given to each individual, and He guides us individually, Ephesians 1:13 KJV.
 
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Brother, I believe this is a key place where we see things differently. There is no "my church", or "your church", there is one Church, one body of Christ.
Brother, although God has established one truth in His word for His people, the word of God reveals that there is more than one group in the fact that there is a Mother of All Prostitutes who martyred God's people for not abandoning the truths they found in the word of God when they decided that it is better to obey God than humans. Many people of God who would obey the prophets if they had the truth, are scattered among the many daughters and the "mother" of all prostitutes when they obey human traditions in contradiction to the word of God guaranteed by the prophets.

So the angel took me in the Spirit into the wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that had seven heads and ten horns, and blasphemies against God were written all over it. The woman wore purple and scarlet clothing and beautiful jewelry made of gold and precious gems and pearls. In her hand she held a gold goblet full of obscenities and the impurities of her immorality. A mysterious name was written on her forehead: “Babylon the Great, Mother of All Prostitutes and Obscenities in the World.” I could see that she was drunk—drunk with the blood of God’s holy people who were witnesses for Jesus. I stared at her in complete amazement. (Revelation 17:3-6 NLT)​

This is what God says to His people scattered among the many daughters and the "mother" of all prostitutes when God judges her on the return of Jesus to gather His people.

Then I heard another voice calling from heaven, “Come away from her, my people. Do not take part in her sins, or you will be punished with her. For her sins are piled as high as heaven, and God remembers her evil deeds. Do to her as she has done to others. Double her penalty for all her evil deeds. She brewed a cup of terror for others, so brew twice as much for her. She glorified herself and lived in luxury, so match it now with torment and sorrow. She boasted in her heart, ‘I am queen on my throne. I am no helpless widow, and I have no reason to mourn.’ Therefore, these plagues will overtake her in a single day—death and mourning and famine. She will be completely consumed by fire, for the Lord God who judges her is mighty. (Revelation 18:4-8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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I’m not sure if you know this, but when a believer receives the Holy Spirit, it is the Spirit that guides, not the believer. If you don’t think the same thing about the Bible as you did 20 years ago, don’t worry. The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth. If you are lead away due to some confusion, it’s the work of the Holy Spirit to get you back on track. Why? Because you belong to Christ, and none can be lost, John 6:39 KJV, nor can the gates of hell prevail, Matthew 16:18 KJV.

I will give an example of something that happened to me. I know I received the Spirit when I was baptized because of the many tears I cried uncontrollably, where I knew God’s power overshadowed me. At that time, I was not living a completely righteous life. Some people would say I could not have received the Spirit if I was still living a sinful life. But that’s not true. Because, when we come to Jesus, we come as sinners needing the Spirit to transform us, so there has to be a starting point of transformation, and that starting point is from sinning to renewing our minds to walk holy.

For me it was years later that I learned the importance of God’s word; through many trials. Although I was really confused, the Spirit never left me. This became apparent to me when I ended up with a religious group that taught we must keep the Mosiac law. These people would not baptize their members unless the men were circumcised, and a woman had to wait until after her minstrel - claiming each situation was unclean based on the cleanliness law of Moses, and claiming an unclean person could not come to Jesus. Women were even told to go through the separation after childbearing, but realizing this presented a problem for some women, a letter was circulated excusing this practice. Now all of this was absolutely against the gospel of Christ, and an outright denial of Jesus. And, when I questioned the teachings, I was starting to feel I was hated. I was a threat to those teachers’ authority who controlled the members. A clique formed against me. Even the closest person to me joined in. These people said they believed in Jesus because they said “in the name of Jesus” at the end of their prayers. But they believed the law made them righteous, not Christ.

Each week traveling to church I suffered panic attacks. I would be calming my breathing and prayed all the way there - and I still had not made the decision to leave. Finally, I saw a program on false teaching where the Holy Spirit revealed to me that those I was worshiping with were the same as those in Galatians 3:1 KJV, and they had been bewitched. I saw it clearly. I was given the courage to leave that church.

Of course I felt lonely and had no one to worship with, and everywhere I turned, I saw people were not speaking the truth of the Bible. I was very disheartened by this, and cried a lot. Finally, through the compassion, patience, and comfort of the Holy Spirit, Who was always in control, I was given the revelation that I must go outside the camp.

Outside the camp: Hebrews 13:12-13 KJV, which is patterned after Exodus 33:7 KJV

We must go outside the camp to learn of God, and the Holy Spirit will show up mightily in our lives. Our lives are patterned after Jesus. Just as Jesus sanctified the people with His blood outside the gate, we must also go outside the camp for our individual sanctification.

Another resource that is so profound and absolutely true. Praise God Almighty for our coming King Jesus Christ.


The establishment of Jesus Church
When the gospel of Christ speaks of the church or the body of Christ, this is not a church building, a denomination, nor is it a group. The church is “all” believers; all those who belong to Christ no matter where they are located or scattered. Believers go to church services alongside people who profess to be believers - all in the same building under a paricular denomination. But, It is not the church organization or denomination that matters to God. Only the true believers matter. Jesus said let the wheat grow with the tares and He will separate them in the end, Matthew 13:30 KJV.

The church was already established, and understanding Revelation gives us the answer. This gets to be a little long to explain, but I will try to shorten it:

Believers are called the “church” and the church that belong to Jesus represents the seven golden candlesticks, Revelation 1:12 KJV, Revelation 1:20 KJV, and the seven stars in Jesus right hand, Revelation 1:16 KJV, Revelation 1:20 KJV.

There were originally seven churches that spread the “light” (seven Golden Candlesticks) of the gospel,” Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum,Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea. It is these seven churches that the “church” - all believers all over the world was established from.

The seven churches that spread the gospel is patterned after the golden candlesticks in the temple that stayed lit, Exodus 27:20-21 KJV, Leviticus 6:13 KJV. So, the spreading of the gospel throughout the ages stays lit through the Devine Light of the Spirit, in the hearts of believers who are the temple of God, 1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 6:19 KJV, and who continuously spread the gospel and convert the hearts of men.

The temple was rent in twin at Jesus death, the seven churches where the gospel was spread is no longer standing but their representatives still live, that is, the seven stars in Jesus right hand, who are the angels over the seven churches.

We cannot understand the Bible without the Holy Spirit’s help. He will show you His truth through revelation as you read and pray for understanding. The work of the Holy Spirit is unmistakable- you will know! It’s the Power of the Most High operating in your heart and mind to bring you the truth of the word. We are given discernment to know what’s true and what’s not true so don’t worry. Jesus said my sheep hear my voice - because Jesus said it, it’s prophesied to be so. That’s our guarantee.


The Holy Spirit is given to each individual, and He guides us individually, Ephesians 1:13 KJV.
Thank you for the nice message :heart:

Let's take this one step at a time:

When does a person receive the Holy Spirit?
 
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Brother, although God has established one truth in His word for His people, the word of God reveals that there is more than one group in the fact that there is a Mother of All Prostitutes who martyred God's people for not abandoning the truths they found in the word of God when they decided that it is better to obey God than humans. Many people of God who would obey the prophets if they had the truth, are scattered among the many daughters and the "mother" of all prostitutes when they obey human traditions in contradiction to the word of God guaranteed by the prophets.

So the angel took me in the Spirit into the wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that had seven heads and ten horns, and blasphemies against God were written all over it. The woman wore purple and scarlet clothing and beautiful jewelry made of gold and precious gems and pearls. In her hand she held a gold goblet full of obscenities and the impurities of her immorality. A mysterious name was written on her forehead: “Babylon the Great, Mother of All Prostitutes and Obscenities in the World.” I could see that she was drunk—drunk with the blood of God’s holy people who were witnesses for Jesus. I stared at her in complete amazement. (Revelation 17:3-6 NLT)​

This is what God says to His people scattered among the many daughters and the "mother" of all prostitutes when God judges her on the return of Jesus to gather His people.

Then I heard another voice calling from heaven, “Come away from her, my people. Do not take part in her sins, or you will be punished with her. For her sins are piled as high as heaven, and God remembers her evil deeds. Do to her as she has done to others. Double her penalty for all her evil deeds. She brewed a cup of terror for others, so brew twice as much for her. She glorified herself and lived in luxury, so match it now with torment and sorrow. She boasted in her heart, ‘I am queen on my throne. I am no helpless widow, and I have no reason to mourn.’ Therefore, these plagues will overtake her in a single day—death and mourning and famine. She will be completely consumed by fire, for the Lord God who judges her is mighty. (Revelation 18:4-8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, are you saying that the Mother of All Prostitutes is the Church, the body of Christ?
 
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Thank you for the nice message :heart:

Let's take this one step at a time:

When does a person receive the Holy Spirit?
The Bible tells us we receive the Holy Spirit at baptism or after baptism by the laying on of hands. That was exactly my experience.

Acts 19:1-6 KJV
Acts 8:13-17 KJV
2 Timothy 1:6 KJV

So according to scripture, God gives the Holy Spirit to those who are baptized in Jesus name and who have hands laid on them.
 
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The Bible tells us we receive the Holy Spirit at baptism or after baptism by the laying on of hands. That was exactly my experience.

Acts 19:1-6 KJV
Acts 8:13-17 KJV
2 Timothy 1:6 KJV

So according to scripture, God gives the Holy Spirit to those who are baptized in Jesus name and who have hands laid on them.
Hmmm... Well, this brings up an interesting side issue which may actually turn out to be important to what we were talking about.

Are you saying that people baptized this way do not receive the Holy Spirit?
 
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Hmmm... Well, this brings up an interesting side issue which may actually turn out to be important to what we were talking about.

Are you saying that people baptized this way do not receive the Holy Spirit?
No, I’m not saying that! I can’t say that because it is God who gives the Holy Spirit.

The only thing I can say is what the Bible says about baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.

If there is any alterations to what the Bible says, then I cannot say how God deals with that. One scripture that comes to mind is Jeremiah 17:10 KJV.
 
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No, I’m not saying that! I can’t say that because it is God who gives the Holy Spirit.

The only thing I can say is what the Bible says about baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.

If there is any alterations to what the Bible says, then I cannot say how God deals with that. One scripture that comes to mind is Jeremiah 17:10 KJV.
Okay. And then once a person receives the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit guides that person as an individual? Which Bible passage(s) are you looking at for that?
 
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Okay. And then once a person receives the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit guides that person as an individual? Which Bible passage(s) are you looking at for that?
1 Corinthians 12:7 KJV
Romans 8:14 KJV
Acts 2:17 KJV
Ephesians 4:7-8 KJV
Ephesians 4:11-12 KJV
 
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1 Corinthians 12:7 KJV
Romans 8:14 KJV
Acts 2:17 KJV
Ephesians 4:7-8 KJV
Ephesians 4:11-12 KJV
Thanks! Okay, let's start with the first one

How is that saying that the Holy Spirit leads each person as an individual? It sounds like the Spirit is leading people for the common good.


 
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How is that saying that the Holy Spirit leads each person as an individual? It sounds like the Spirit is leading people for the common good.
How about the breath of Yahweh ? Pneuma - Whenever Yahweh Breathes Life into someone , like when the men chosen by Him were "breathed on" , their minds were open to understand what no one understood, even them yet, until Jesus breathed on them, or Yahweh opened their minds and bore them (carried them) Himself .... each individually , each one a LIVING STONE, set together by Yahweh ; Yahweh's Plan and Purpose as written...
Not much I can add to Aaron112. I will just list this scripture that is basically saying the same thing,
Philippians 2:12-13 KJV,
12 “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
13 “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure
 
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How about the breath of Yahweh ? Pneuma - Whenever Yahweh Breathes Life into someone , like when the men chosen by Him were "breathed on" , their minds were open to understand what no one understood, even them yet, until Jesus breathed on them, or Yahweh opened their minds and bore them (carried them) Himself .... each individually , each one a LIVING STONE, set together by Yahweh ; Yahweh's Plan and Purpose as written...
Sounds good! Now... does that mean that the Holy Spirit leads each person individually, or leads the body of Christ as a whole?
 
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Jesus Says again


I and the Father Are One


My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Definitely true! Shepherds lead a flock of sheep, don't they?

Just a question if you're interested... the Church that is the pillar and support of the truth, is it still around?
 
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Keeping in mind this post for context. When we really feel that God has revealed to us a special truth in the scriptures, does that mean he has?
Hello, brother! Different Christians believe the Holy Spirit has told them different things about what the Bible says. That's why I'm glad for places like this where we can get together and "compare notes" so to speak. :heart:
 
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When we really feel that God has revealed to us a special truth in the scriptures, does that mean he has?
Brother, no, you have to test even your own spirit! You need to discover if what you felt was truly from God or if it came from your own "desires". If it is contrary to what God has written in the guaranteed word of God by the prophets, then those feelings did not come from God.

For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths. (2 Timothy 4:3-4 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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When we really feel that God has revealed to us a special truth in the scriptures, does that mean he has?
You are speaking of two types of people.

1) If you have to ask if a so called truth is from the Holy Spirit, then it probably was not. This results in trying to take something that was not given.

Because

2) When the Holy Spirit brings the truth to a believer He brings it with all the power and might of God and Jesus Christ, whereas it cannot be doubted. This results in receiving what was given. This is how a believer can try the spirit - it’s because they are GIVEN the gift of discernment.

It’s He Who gives, not he who takes!

Refocus!
 
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Brother, no, you have to test even your own spirit! You need to discover if what you felt was truly from God or if it came from your own "desires". If it is contrary to what God has written in the guaranteed word of God by the prophets, then those feelings did not come from God.

For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths. (2 Timothy 4:3-4 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Hello, brother :heart: When if you say, "the guaranteed word of God by the prophets", do you mean the scriptures?

In my experience, everyone who feels the God has revealed a special truth to them from the scriptures also believes that it is not contrary to the scriptures.

To me, that's where other Christians would come in. Doesn't it make sense that the Spirit would share the same truths with devout Christians?
 
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You are speaking of two types of people.

1) If you have to ask if a so called truth is from the Holy Spirit, then it probably was not. This results in trying to take something that was not given.

Because

2) When the Holy Spirit brings the truth to a believer He brings it with all the power and might of God and Jesus Christ, whereas it cannot be doubted. This results in receiving what was given. This is how a believer can try the spirit - it’s because they are GIVEN the gift of discernment.

It’s He Who gives, not he who takes!

Refocus!
Every believer who is convinced that they have received a special truth about the scriptures from God because it came with all the power and might of God and Jesus Christ actually has received a special truth, then?
 
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