THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT

[trophy33]

...of the Holy Spirit who is revealing the future.

It was future for Isaiah, yes.

 

[Marilyn C]

It was future for Isaiah, yes.

yes.

 

[eleos1954]

The Pope won`t rule for he is a religious leader. The A/C is a Political leader and the False Prophet is a religious economist.

The papacy is both a religious and state union (governmental/political)

The Vatican is the smallest independent state in the world and residence of the spiritual leadership of the Roman Catholic Church.

Most certainly engages in politics.

 

[eleos1954]

That's quite a story, funny it wasn't mentioned who found this supposed publication. Don't you wonder how lucky it was to not just find a publication "missing" over the centuries, but also the exact issue and page that has been the subject of so much anti-Catholicism? Who made the discovery? Now use some common sense, if someone believed they were God don't you think they would go around bragging about it rather than mention it on only one occasion? How easy it is to accuse others.

eh .... people can do their own research on the matter .... common sense? Who is it that is referred to as "Holy Father" (the pope) .... he is not holy nor is he our father in any sense (he is a sinful man just like the rest of us). No .... they wouldn't necessarily go around bragging about it.

It's not unusual for things to be found (ie dead sea scrolls) and many other things discovered. It states in the article where it was found.
Here's the full document. 'De potestate papae : liber posthumus' - Viewer | MDZ

Hebrews 4:14-16
New International Version

Jesus the Great High Priest​

14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Vicar of Christ - A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy

Vicar of Christ

Vicar of Christ - Encyclopedia Volume - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online

Only Jesus has supreme and universal primacy ... to think otherwise us usurping the divinity/authority of Christ. Jesus is our High Priest and intercedes for us ..... we go directly to Jesus .... no need for earthly priests of any kind.

Matthew 28:18

Berean Standard Bible
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

Jesus has ALL authority ... no church ... no priests .... no popes.

We don't need any "go betweens", it's all about Jesus .... those in Him are His "church" (His people)

 

[eleos1954]

It was the Catholic Church that chose the 73 books of the Bible. The Bible is the book of the Catholic Church, not the other way around. Remember the Catholic Church existed before on Word of the New Testament was written. Much of what Jesus passed down through the Apostles ended up in the Holy Bible, in order to be included in the Bible text had to be 100 percent in keeping with the teachings of the Catholic Church. I suppose the laity in almost any religion gets misled at some time, but there is a major effort to pass down the teachings of Jesus as well as possible.

The Bible is the book of the Catholic Church, not the other way around.

in order to be included in the Bible text had to be 100 percent in keeping with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

The above two statements contradict one another.

teachings of the catholic church are not based on the bible alone

it is not from sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same devotion and reverence.”
(Scripture and Tradition)


Colossians 2:8

See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

 

[Valletta]

The above two statements contradict one another.

teachings of the catholic church are not based on the bible alone

it is not from sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same devotion and reverence.”
(Scripture and Tradition)


Colossians 2:8

See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

The Word of God, whether passed down orally or in written form, is of equal weight. There is no contradiction:

2 Thes 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. RSVCE

 

[Valletta]

Only Jesus has supreme and universal primacy ... to think otherwise us usurping the divinity/authority of Christ. Jesus is our High Priest and intercedes for us ..... we go directly to Jesus .... no need for earthly priests of any kind.

That God has supreme and universal primacy is Catholic teaching. However, Holy Scripture tells us that the Apostles were given some authority by Jesus. It is incorrect to think the Apostles "usurped" the authority of Jesus in the following passage:​

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Matthew 10:1​

The Twelve Apostles​

10 And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity. RSVCE

You claim there was no "need" for earthly priests of any kind. While it is true that Jesus did not "need" the Apostles, or any other priests for that matter, that is the way God chose to work. God's ways are far above the ways of man.

 

[eleos1954]

That God has supreme and universal primacy is Catholic teaching. Don't think otherwise. However, Holy Scripture tells us that the Apostles were given some authority by Jesus. It is incorrect to think the Apostles "usurped" the authority of Jesus in the following passage:​

​

Matthew 10:1​

The Twelve Apostles​

10 And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity. RSVCE

You claim there was no "need" for earthly priests of any kind. While it is true that Jesus did not "need" the Apostles, or any other priests for that matter, that is the way God chose to work. God's ways are far above the way of man.

God works through the Holy Spirit. Yes, His ways are indeed far above the way of man.

Yes the apostles did indeed heal and cast out demons.

and there is this ...

On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers'" (Matthew 7:21-23)

I didn't say or think the apostles usurped the authority of Jesus.

The authority He gave was to preach the gospel ....

Pope Francis has strongly condemned proselytism. In the question and answer session during his Oct. 13, 2016 meeting with Lutherans, the Holy Father answered a young girl's question about trying to convert a friend. He said, "It is not licit that you convince them of your faith; proselytism is the strongest poison against the ecumenical path." Similarly, the Pope has said, "Proselytism among Christians, therefore, in itself, is a grave sin."

The ecumenical path is promoting humanism not Jesus. Ecumenism is looking for unity by human ways, not by divine ways.

 

[Valletta]

The authority He gave was to preach the gospel ....

Jesus gave out authority beyond preaching the Gospel.
Matthew 18:18
18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.[a] RSVCE

 

[Marilyn C]

The papacy is both a religious and state union (governmental/political)

The Vatican is the smallest independent state in the world and residence of the spiritual leadership of the Roman Catholic Church.

Most certainly engages in politics.

But it does not control the world.

 

[Douggg]

But it does not control the world.

...and never will. However, the kings of the earth and the Vatican, RCC, have mutually benefited in a self-serving relationship with each other.

The Vatican is the harlot.

The Vatican/RCC, although sits on many waters, is not a one world religion, nor ever will be.

The Vatican/kings of the earth, have been in relationship.

Mystery Babylon the Great - is the spiritual kingdom of Satan and his angels.

The future one-world controlling religion will be the worship of the beast and the image of the beast.

The ten kings of Europe at the time of the beast religion will burn the Vatican to the ground.

 

[Marilyn C]

...and never will. However, the kings of the earth and the Vatican, RCC, have mutually benefited in a self-serving relationship with each other.

The Vatican is the harlot.

The Vatican/RCC, although sits on many waters, is not a one world religion, nor ever will be.

The Vatican/kings of the earth, have been in relationship.

Mystery Babylon the Great - is the spiritual kingdom of Satan and his angels.

The future one-world controlling religion will be the worship of the beast and the image of the beast.

The ten kings of Europe at the time of the beast religion will burn the Vatican to the ground.

Again I ask, How can the 10 kings get rid of the harlot, (you say the Vatican, the spiritual kingdom of Satan) ?

 

[Douggg]

Again I ask, How can the 10 kings get rid of the harlot, (you say the Vatican, the spiritual kingdom of Satan) ?

No, I am not saying that the Vatican is the spiritual kingdom of Satan.

The inscription on the woman's head "Mystery Babylon the Great mother of harlots and abomination in the earth" is not a title for her. It is the title for the power that has influenced her to act in her harlot ways.

That power is Satan's and his angel's mystical kingdom of Babylon the Great. The same power that has deceived men into worshipping Baal for example..

Analogy would be a cattle that has a brand on it's hind quarters. The brand is not the title of the cattle. The brand belongs to the rancher.

 

[Marilyn C]

No, I am not saying that the Vatican is the spiritual kingdom of Satan.

The inscription on the woman's head "Mystery Babylon the Great mother of harlots and abomination in the earth" is not a title for her. It is the title for the power that has influenced her to act in her harlot ways.

That power is Satan's and his angel's mystical kingdom of Babylon the Great. The same power that has deceived men into worshipping Baal for example..

Analogy would be a cattle that has a brand on it's [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. The brand is not the title of the cattle. The brand belongs to the rancher.

Thanks I see what you are saying though don`t agree.

 

[Douggg]

Thanks I see what you are saying though don`t agree.

Who do you think the harlot is ?

 

[Marilyn C]

Who do you think the harlot is ?

Thank you for asking. The harlot, which makes the people drunk, is the `woke` philosophy of saving `mother earth.` (Rom. 1: 23) And this is propagated throughout society, businesses, governments etc by the United Nations. It is taught in schools and `preached` by the media, and mandated if you want to do well in business, (cabon credits) etc

Take a stand against it and you could very well be fined, lose your job, even go to jail. The moral `laws` of this philosophy are - respect, tolerance, inclusiveness, etc, (of all things except Christianity).

 

[Valletta]

The Vatican is the harlot.

The Vatican is on one hill just outside of the ancient walls of Rome. Rome has seven famous hills, none of which are the location of the Vatican. Jerusalem is by far the best fit for the Biblical description.

 

[Marilyn C]

The heads, the woman and the mountains are symbolic.

`The 7 heads are 7 mountains on which the woman sits. They are 7 kings. (Rev. 17: 9)

 

[Douggg]

The Vatican is on one hill just outside of the ancient walls of Rome. Rome has seven famous hills, none of which are the location of the Vatican. Jerusalem is by far the best fit for the Biblical description.

The Vatican is the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church. And is associated with Rome. It seems to me, from the aerial, that Vatican city is within the sprawling metropolis of Rome.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Vatican is the harlot.

False, Jerusalem is the Harlot, Mystery Babylon The Great

(Jerusalem) Is The harlot, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.