Repentance means STOP sinning.

[disciple Clint]

Are you referring to Romans 7? I think Paul speaks about his former self as a non Christian.

Romans 7:19-25 King James Version 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
what part of this looks like it is referring to his past unsaved nature?

 

[zoidar]

Romans 7:19-25 King James Version 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
what part of this looks like it is referring to his past unsaved nature?

For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
— Romans 7:14

I doubt Paul as a born again believer would refer to himself as a person sold into bondage of sin. That is the reason. I wouldn't bet my life on it though.

 

[ozso]

Will you give a few examples of unwilful sin? I'm not even sure I would say what you call unwilful sin, a sin. To me sin is wilfull or I doubt it's a sin.

A sudden flash of lust, hatred, covetousness. You stub your toe and blurt out a blasphemy. You find yourself in a tight spot and blurt out a lie. The everyday stumbles we make. The things we do, often in the spur of the minute, that we're later sorry for.

 

[disciple Clint]

For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
— Romans 7:14

I doubt Paul as a born again believer would refer to himself as a person sold into bondage of sin. That is the reason. I wouldn't bet my life on it though.

We are all born into a bondage to sin, you could say we were sold into that bondage by Adam, even when we have accepted Jesus as our savior we still have a sin nature which we make effort with the assistance of the Holy Spirit to overcome.

 

[fhansen]

Most of us say repentance means turning from sin, turning to Christ. What then do we mean by turning from sin, turning to Christ? I have given this some serious thought. I believe repentance means STOP sinning and turning to God for forgiveness of our sins. Then people will say: "We are sinners, we can't stop sinning!" If we can't stop sinning, what then does it mean to "turn from sin"?

Yes, the new covenant was never intended as some sort of reprieve from the obligation for man to be righteous in his personal actions, but rather to finally be the means to accomplish that very thing, by the Spirit, under grace, in union with God, the right way now from a heart that has been changed.

 

[coorilose]

Repentance means to be convinced that that you have committed a sin. Without being convinced, you cannot stop doing it again.

I continue to smoke and drink. They tell me these are sins. But I don't know why they are called sins. They tell me they destroy my body. I am like "so what?" I am not repenting. I wait for God to show me why these are sins. He will make me repent one day. It could be in this life or in eternal life.

 

[AbbaLove]

Most of us say repentance means turning from sin, turning to Christ. What then do we mean by turning from sin, turning to Christ? I have given this some serious thought. Then people will say: "We are sinners, we can't stop sinning!" If we can't stop sinning, what then does it mean to "turn from sin"?​

There's more than a few sinners to come off as ... "couldn't care less"... Yet, we know that's not true ... deceived by the enemy.

Yes, I AM the Gate. Those who come in by way of the Gate will be saved and will go in and out and find green pastures.​

The thief’s purpose is to steal, kill and destroy. My purpose is to give life in all its fullness.​

I AM the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.​

John 10:9-11​

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coorilose said:​

I continue to smoke and drink. They tell me these are sins. But I don't know why they are called sins. They tell me they destroy my body. I am like "so what?" I am not repenting. I wait for God to show me why these are sins. He will make me repent one day. It could be in this life or in eternal life.​

If you click on his name and read some of his other posts it becomes apparent his above post is possibly a "What-IF" scenario. He may just want to see if anyone replies and how they might respond. To date he's posted 33 messages. Would you give up on him as a lost cause ?

Is that what Jesus would do? Is that what a Follower of Jesus should do? If he was a team member at your work place and told you the above would you just walk away shaking your head? As much to imply back to him that he's a lost cause not worthy of salvation.

How would each of you minster God's Love to this man who is obviously under the influence of the: trickster, deceiver, destroyer? If he decides to reply he may do some role playing to see how you would then reply back. That's if his above post was a "What-If" scenario?

What if Connie Smith had never invited Kris to go with her to Church

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[BNR32FAN]

Thanks! I do doubt that Paul is talking about his current situation as a Christian in Romans 7, but rather his previous life as a Jew.

Like I told "Unqualified" in the post before, I believe that sinning is supposed to be a rare thing for a Christian, not an everyday practice.

Paul is not using any past tense words in that passage brother. He is speaking in present tense.

 

[zoidar]

Paul is not using any past tense words in that passage brother. He is speaking in present tense.

I know it's present tense, but you can use present tense for explaining how the present was in the past. Have you never done that?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I know it's present tense, but you can use present tense for explaining how the present was in the past. Have you never done that?

No I haven’t, can you give an example?

 

[zoidar]

No I haven’t, can you give an example?

Yesterday I did the marathon. It felt great running! I was like: "This is easy!"

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yesterday I did the marathon. It felt great running! I was like: "This is easy!"

Notice you used the word “did” not “do”. And you used the word “felt” instead of “feel”, “feeling”, or “feels”. Furthermore Paul uses the words “I am doing” repeatedly throughout the passage indicating that he still does things that he does not want to do and hates doing them. Just like the rest of us. There’s no indication that what he is writing about is a past experience. He even says that “evil IS present in him”.

 

[fhansen]

Notice you used the word “did” not “do”. And you used the word “felt” instead of “feel”, “feeling”, or “feels”. Furthermore Paul uses the words “I am doing” repeatedly throughout the passage indicating that he still does things that he does not want to do and hates doing them. Just like the rest of us. There’s no indication that what he is writing about is a past experience. He even says that “evil IS present in him”.

He also gives the answer: Jesus Christ! He who is able to overcome the old man, to take away sin while empowering us to begin to live as we were created to live. We will continue to struggle against sin-but not be overwhelmed by it, no longer its slave, persistently engaging in the kinds of sin that earns us death, that intrinsically opposes love of God and neighbor while destroying love in us.

 

[anetazo]

We reached junction here, I as God's Elect must over draft. Epistle John 3:1 to 3:10. This is a distinction between sinners and habitual lifestyles. Christian people will sin, were in the flesh, we repent and are forgiven. The flesh body is sinful. The habitual sinners, they don't care about God or about righteousness. Habitual sinners won't repent. How come ?. Because you need the holy spirit to convict you of sin. Read first Corinthians chapter 2. Carnal minded people can't have the holy spirit. They don't understand, and its spirtual things are foolishness to carnal minded people. Romans chapter 6 lays out the difference between servant of righteousness and servant of sin. I documented this. Some people have spirit of slumber. The wicked don't have spirit of stupor. There's a distinction between the wicked and the spirtualty dead. Revelation chapter 20, many people will be taught and discipline during millennium. Jesus is going to make neccessary corrections during the millennium.

 

[Dah'veed]

Most of us say repentance means turning from sin, turning to Christ. What then do we mean by turning from sin, turning to Christ? I have given this some serious thought. I believe repentance means STOP sinning and turning to God for forgiveness of our sins. Then people will say: "We are sinners, we can't stop sinning!" If we can't stop sinning, what then does it mean to "turn from sin"?

"Go and sin no more.”

"I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
Mary Magdalene announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” John 20:17-18

He appeared to take away our sins. And in Him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. 1 John 3:4-6

When God raised up His Servant Jesus, He sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your iniquities. Acts 3:26

God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are His,”
and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from iniquities.” 2 Tim 2:19

 

[FireDragon76]

If sin is enmeshed with human finitude, then in this life, we simply can never be sure we have stopped sinning. That is why Luther and later Protestant reformers were working with an Augustinian notion of sin.

 

[timothyu]

Are allowances made for our animal instinct where we would automatically put our will ahead of the will of God? Are not animals forgiven, or is the problem that we are aware of our self will?

 

[setst777]

He also gives the answer: Jesus Christ! He who is able to overcome the old man, to take away sin while empowering us to begin to live as we were created to live. We will continue to struggle against sin-but not be overwhelmed by it, no longer its slave, persistently engaging in the kinds of sin that earns us death, that intrinsically opposes love of God and neighbor while destroying love in us.

Yes, "Romans 8" answers the dilemma in "Romans 7."

"Romans 8:1-14" shows us that, while we are weak in the flesh, the believer receives the Spirit to help them have victory over sin, but only as the believer continues to walk by the Spirit who lives in them by faith.

Romans 8:1-14
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace; 7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile toward God; for it is not subject to God’s law, neither indeed can it be. 8 Those who are in the flesh can’t please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his. 10 If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

12 So then, brothers, we have an obligation, but not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”

 

[setst777]

Are allowances made for our animal instinct?

Animal (creature) instinct is not the same as sin. While all sin involves creature instinct, not all creature instinct is sin. All our physical, psychological, maternal, et cetera instincts are good.

• The desire and pleasure we have from food is good, but the abusing of that desire and pleasure in the form of gluttony is the sin.
• A maternal instinct is good, but that maternal instinct can be abused through possessiveness, coveting, lust, etc.
• The desire for sex is good, but the abusing of sexual desire in a way that God says is immoral, is the sin.
• Enjoying the instinctual desire to breathe and defecate, but those desires can be abused through various fetishes.
• Any good instinct can be abused and perverted to form sinful addictions.

 

[timothyu]

Any good instinct can be abused and perverted to form sinful addictions.

Because we are aware