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The Wheels of Justice Grind Slowly

Which prosecutor will be the first to try the Former Guy?

  • None - it isn't going to happen

    Votes: 8 38.1%
  • Special Counsel Jack Smith

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Fulton County DA Fani Willis

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg

    Votes: 9 42.9%
  • NY AG Letitia James

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .

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It’s not hard for me to imagine a situation where there’s some amount of backlash to his being arrested, where folks see that as Dems piling on some sort of witch hunt.
Agreed that the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be as voluminous as it will be constant, and there might be incidents of violence; but I don't think that's going to translate into him becoming more popular.
 
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I find this line of thinking bizarre. He's consistently unpopular and polarizing and while the conservative base is as ardently enamored with him as ever, the majority of the population is, at the very least, over him. I'm not seeing how his being held accountable for crimes he's committed is going to somehow translate into him getting more votes.

The irony being that blind devotion to Donald is clouding the eyes and judgement of those who would let him get away with his criminal behavior.
Well apart from the fact you have already convicted him you obviously overlook some important facts. 1. Federal prosecutors from the US Attorneys office for the Southern District of NY passed on this case in 2019. 2. The Federal Election Commission also passed on this case in 2021. 3. The potential charge of “Falsifying Business Records “ is usually a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations expired long ago. 4, The attempt by this partisan hack DA to upgrade to a felony has been questioned by many legal scholars on both side of the political spectrum. 5. This DA ran on “getting Trump” while failing to prosecute real and sometimes violent criminals. This is very obviously a partisan witch hunt and will likely backfire but those behind this cannot resist the visual of seeing Trump in cuffs. Even if convicted in this highly partisan jurisdiction this case has no chance of holding up in the appeals process, but that is of no concern to the “get Trump” crowd. Let’s see if the outrage for legal justice holds up for the investigation into Chinese money flowing into the Biden family accounts. Hmm falsifying business records or treason this is going to be very interesting to watch as it unfolds.
 
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Now we know that is not going to happen but I honor court decisions.

Good. It would be a sad if you fell for the Trump messaging undermining our justice system (including judges, juries, etc). I hope most Americans believe that all Americans should be held accountable regardless of their station in life.
 
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Well apart from the fact you have already convicted him you obviously overlook some important facts. 1. Federal prosecutors from the US Attorneys office for the Southern District of NY passed on this case in 2019. 2. The Federal Election Commission also passed on this case in 2021. 3. The potential charge of “Falsifying Business Records “ is usually a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations expired long ago. 4, The attempt by this partisan hack DA to upgrade to a felony has been questioned by many legal scholars on both side of the political spectrum. 5. This DA ran on “getting Trump” while failing to prosecute real and sometimes violent criminals. This is very obviously a partisan witch hunt and will likely backfire but those behind this cannot resist the visual of seeing Trump in cuffs. Even if convicted in this highly partisan jurisdiction this case has no chance of holding up in the appeals process, but that is of no concern to the “get Trump” crowd. Let’s see if the outrage for legal justice holds up for the investigation into Chinese money flowing into the Biden family accounts. Hmm falsifying business records or treason this is going to be very interesting to watch as it unfolds.
The bulk of the investigation had already been conducted before Bragg came into office. I think he chose one of the weakest possible charges. The financial bank fraud has already been proven against his organization. I don’t know why Bragg didn’t go with that.
 
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Ever since that "Former Guy" got into politics as a Republican, you Democrats have been 100% CONVINCED time and time and time and time again that he was guilty of this, that, and another thing. The evidence was there. Shady politicians promised to have the smoking gun. Trump was going to jail. Now all the Dems are on the edge of their seats believing the same song and dance, expecting him to go to jail. You keep letting your masters rile you up. It's a political game, nothing more.

Trump isn't going to jail. And for those of you who said he's guilty...there has been NO trial. None. Every person is innocent until proven guilty.

If Trump is going to jail for mishandling funds, so is Obama.
If Trump is going to jail for mishandling classified documents, so is Joe Biden.
If Donald Trump is going to jail for the riots on January 6th, so is every single Democrat that enabled deadly riots over the last 6-7 years!
 
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More importantly, and appropriately, who will be the first one to tie his hands behind his back and throw him in a pond to see if he floats?
To be fair it was right wing Christians who did all the Witch hunting and burning. Today it's not that group doing it and no 1000s of innocent people are being killed.

This is just one man about to experience righteous wrath and justice from the people.
 
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Ever since that "Former Guy" got into politics as a Republican, you Democrats have been 100% CONVINCED time and time and time and time again that he was guilty of this, that, and another thing. The evidence was there. Shady politicians promised to have the smoking gun. Trump was going to jail. Now all the Dems are on the edge of their seats believing the same song and dance, expecting him to go to jail. You keep letting your masters rile you up. It's a political game, nothing more.
Speaking for myself only, I've never been convinced he'd be going to jail. Hoping? Sure. Convinced? Hardly.

But in some respects, Trump isn't really special on this front. The guy's career was centered around real estate development, casinos, and entertainment before he got into politics. One more and I could fill out my corruption bingo card. I can probably count on my fingers the industries better known for being skeezy. (trash removal, import/export... what else?) A casino mogul into something shady is such a tired trope that they don't even make movies about it anymore.

So, yes, I do assume he's guilty of something.
 
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Speaking for myself only, I've never been convinced he'd be going to jail. Hoping? Sure. Convinced? Hardly.

But in some respects, Trump isn't really special on this front. The guy's career was centered around real estate development, casinos, and entertainment before he got into politics. One more and I could fill out my corruption bingo card. I can probably count on my fingers the industries better known for being skeezy. (trash removal, import/export... what else?) A casino mogul into something shady is such a tired trope that they don't even make movies about it anymore.

So, yes, I do assume he's guilty of something.
Politicians are also known for being corrupt, dishonest, and the like, but people get into their own little bubbles and act like their side is clean and tidy while the other side is evil and dirty.
 
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Ever since that "Former Guy" got into politics as a Republican, you Democrats have been 100% CONVINCED time and time and time and time again that he was guilty of this, that, and another thing. The evidence was there. Shady politicians promised to have the smoking gun. Trump was going to jail. Now all the Dems are on the edge of their seats believing the same song and dance, expecting him to go to jail. You keep letting your masters rile you up. It's a political game, nothing more.

Trump isn't going to jail. And for those of you who said he's guilty...there has been NO trial. None. Every person is innocent until proven guilty.
"Lock her up! Lock her up!"

If Trump is going to jail for mishandling funds, so is Obama.
Trump isn't being prosecuted by NY State for "mishandling funds" but - probably, we don't yet know the exact charges - for filing false documents to cover up tax fraud and campaign mismanagement. This is the sort of thing that is commonly prosecuted in New York. Should Trump get special treatment?

By the way, no one from the Obama campaign or administration was ever even indicted.
If Trump is going to jail for mishandling classified documents, so is Joe Biden.
Mishandling classified documents probably isn't the actual issue - obstruction of justice, lying about it and possibly theft (all the gifts given to the president that Donald felt entitled to keep) is more likely.

If Donald Trump is going to jail for the riots on January 6th, so is every single Democrat that enabled deadly riots over the last 6-7 years!
How did the Democratic politicians enable the Patriot Prayer thugs to beat up the BLM protesters? If they did call out for Antifa to come to particular protests ("it's going to be wild") then, sure, prosecute them.

Seditious insurrection is more serious than mere rioting.
 
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To be fair it was right wing Christians who did all the Witch hunting and burning. Today it's not that group doing it and no 1000s of innocent people are being killed.

This is just one man about to experience righteous wrath and justice from the people.

The "righteous wrath and justice from the people" for what?
 
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Actually in America we have freedom of speech and I'm exercising mine by calling Donald out for the serial criminal that he is.
A position that just is not supported by the evidence but then what the heck everyone is entitled to their opinion, opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one, they are all different, everyone thinks theirs is special and they are all fuzzy at best. Enjoy your free speech since Trump is a public personality you will not be held legally responsible for misstatements or defamation.
 
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Good. It would be a sad if you fell for the Trump messaging undermining our justice system (including judges, juries, etc). I hope most Americans believe that all Americans should be held accountable regardless of their station in life.
How is Trump undermining our justice system? Has he been harassing judges by marching in front of their homes and chanting slogans that threaten the judges or their families? Has he encouraged someone to kill a Supreme Court Justice? Has he attempted to assassinate the character of a Justice by encouraging false testimony about their high school activities?
 
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I hope he will be found guilty. That would make my day.
Now that I can appreciate and it is much more honest than those who continue to pretend that he guilty of some crime, seems that they cannot get what they want so the lie to themselves and others.
 
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