What is the purpose of the Sabbath?

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"They" I referenced to those whom God gave the law to...Romans 2:12-14
God gave the law to everyone who is in Christ. There is no Jew or Gentile if you are in Christ. Galatians 3:28-29. If you are part of the promises, it comes with the laws. I don't think it's wise to think you will receive all the blessing by being disobedient based on scripture, but we do have free will. God bless and take care.
 
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God gave the law to everyone who is in Christ. There is no Jew or Gentile if you are in Christ. Galatians 3:28-29. If you are part of the promises, it comes with the laws. I don't think it's wise to think you will receive all the blessing by being disobedient based on scripture, but we do have free will. God bless and take care.
There are two laws (works& faith) Romans 3:27
Law of works given in Sinai..
Law of Faith proclaimed since the beginning..
 
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Because God said so!

You are ignoring the explicit request of the OP. Please limit your comments to the purpose of the Sabbath. And faithful to the OP I'll keep asking why because your not critically engaging this. Why did God say so?

You seem to keep making ones own opinions above scriptures. The scriptures answered your questions, if you do not like the answers you might consider praying for guidance from the Author!

this is exactly the sort of culture I would like to prevent. In the OP I explicitly asked to "avoid sentiments like 'because God says to obey it'" and if you did say this expect a "why" follow-up question. You have done just that disregarding the request of the OP and went ahead and said an answer of "Because God said so!" and so as promised I asked "why?" and you accuse me of making my own opinions above scriptures and that I need to search scripture or pray about it more to get the answer.

This is not good enough. if you don't like the conditions of the OP then don't participate. Please respect the clear requests of the OP. I would like to encourage answers with depth rather than a bully approach of not being holy enough to know or trust the answer of "Because God said so!". It's good to desire to obey something simply because God says so but that's not purpose that's motivation. At the heart is a reason why it's done and that's where I would like to get to.

If you're having a hard time critically looking at this here is a simple example

What is the purpose of a stop sign?

here is what's not the purpose:
A. the stop sign says to stop so we must stop.

This is not a purpose this is following the stop sign. I'm not interested in a discussion about the requirement of the stop sign. I would like to know what the purpose of the stop sign is.

Here is another answer:
A. the purpose is to cause you to stop

This is the immediate purpose of the stop sign, to cause you to stop but without any other information the purpose looses it's meaning. if we place a stop sign in the middle of the desert with no intersections, roads, or traffic then simply saying the the purpose is to cause you to stop does not address the seemingly arbitrary place the stop sign is placed. Stopping may be the immediate purpose but it is not the deeper purpose which is why do we need to stop? I'm looking for the answers the address the latter.
 
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this is exactly the sort of culture I would like to prevent. In the OP I explicitly asked to "avoid sentiments like 'because God says to obey it'" and if you did say this expect a "why" follow-up question. You have done just that disregarding the request of the OP and went ahead and said an answer of "Because God said so!" and so as promised I asked "why?" and you accuse me of making my own opinions above scriptures and that I need to search scripture or pray about it more to get the answer.

This is not good enough. if you don't like the conditions of the OP then don't participate. Please respect the clear requests of the OP. I would like to encourage answers with depth rather than a bully approach of not being holy enough to know or trust the answer of "Because God said so!". It's good to desire to obey something simply because God says so but that's not purpose that's motivation. At the heart is a reason why it's done and that's where I would like to get to.

If you're having a hard time critically looking at this here is a simple example

What is the purpose of a stop sign?

here is what's not the purpose:
A. the stop sign says to stop so we must stop.

This is not a purpose this is following the stop sign. I'm not interested in a discussion about the requirement of the stop sign. I would like to know what the purpose of the stop sign is.

Here is another answer:
A. the purpose is to cause you to stop

This is the immediate purpose of the stop sign, to cause you to stop but without any other information the purpose looses it's meaning. if we place a stop sign in the middle of the desert with no intersections, roads, or traffic then simply saying the the purpose is to cause you to stop does not address the seemingly arbitrary place the stop sign is placed. Stopping may be the immediate purpose but it is not the deeper purpose which is why do we need to stop? I'm looking for the answers the address the latter.

It doesn’t appear you what anyone to respond with scriptures and prefer opinions over the Word of God.

For example on this question you asked:

Why is the Sabbath conflated with a day?

20:10 the seventh day is the sabbath to the Lord your God

This is a direct quote from God on your exact question! But its not want you want to hear. I guess thats your free will. Take care and God bless.
 
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What about according to you? What about according to the Bible?
It isn't according to me Damian, it is what I glean from the Holy Writ and the history of man. The Holy Writ tells us that God had a special people a special mission for them, but that doesn't mean that He doesn't love and cherish all creation. God required Israel do certain things He has never asked anyone else.
Why some are so hell bent on mimicking the commands God gave to only one nation, Israel, is beyond my comprehension. Israel didn't live up to the covenant they agreed they would. It is a broken covenant. It does not exist. A new covenant given to Israel and to all mankind now exists. God knows what the World needs and has needed since satan decided not to obey, honor, trust and above all LOVE God. Love sweet love is what the World needs. He wants each of us to honor the new covenant of LOVE.

Yes, the World needs is Jesus for rest, it is not some special day, it is coming to Jesus, laying our burdens on Him and accepting His open arms. Our rest can be today and every day.

In my previous answer to the OP I mentioned the Bible studies. I guess the ones presenting the study assumed I was a believer, but I was never asked. The lessons didn't point to Jesus, they pointed to the need to keep a day. Without keeping the day I was lost. What was taught wasn't about rest, it was about going to the right church on the right day.

Actually, the subject of the OP should have been What WAS the purpose of the Sabbath, but I am glad you ask because it gave me an opening to express what I have gleaned from scripture and what I have observed.
 
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Actually, the subject of the OP should have been What WAS the purpose of the Sabbath, but I am glad you ask because it gave me an opening to express what I have gleaned from scripture and what I have observed.

I'm not trying to force the Sabbath inside a day/commandment but rather look at what's does the Sabbath mean beyond the day/commandment. (I could have used "God's rest" instead) People seem very fixated on the day, I happen to think it is more than a day. A very basic purpose is simply "to obtain rest" but that's quite a loaded statement.

looking at the Sabbath in a creation vacuum Sabbath is the state of completion of God's work. We know God does not need to rest so we know this rest is not out of fatigue but because the works are complete. The creation account is a type of salvation metaphor, we know this because 2 Cor 4:6-7 tells us what the light of creation is about using the parallel that Christ "made light shine in our hearts" with a direct reference back to the creation account. light is contrasted with darkness and before light, the earth was unformed and existed in darkness so the salvation metaphors unfold naturally. before salvation we are in darkness then a process starts when light is spoken into use that forms us, fills us, and ends in rest.

the whole creation account is in a chiastic structure and the parallel chiasmus helps us understand the point being made. Day 1 is linked to day 4, day 2 is linked with day 5 and day 3 is linked to day 6 (for example day 2 the waters are separated forming the oceans/skies, day 5 fish/birds are filled in the oceans/skies). if you read the accounts you see the pattern of the first 3 days God is organizing/separating, and the last 3 days God is filling up and each unfolds in the same order. This covers days 1-6 but the rest of the account is still in a chiastic structure the first is in the first verse "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" which is paralleled with 2:1 "thus the heavens and the earth were created" and acts like bookends to the account.

There is only one parallel left and this is day 7 what does it link to? the only part left.

1:2 "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

is paralleled with

2:2-3 "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

I call it Day 0 and Day 7

so what does this tell us about the purpose of the Sabbath? it tells us it is the answer to Genesis 1:2. the answer that which is formless, empty and dark. So the Sabbath is the opposite and using the creation account we can see what the sabbath is and what it is not. the Sabbath is not formless it is formed, not empty it is full, not of darkness it is of light. And these are the exact focuses of the creation account, speaking light, forming, and filling until complete which ushers in the Sabbath. So the Sabbath is the state of fruition and culminating point of creation. Because God completed his work it is finished so it is holy and the work is rested and this is the Sabbath of creation.

The 4th commandment tells us to "remember the Sabbath day" (Ex 20:8) which connects it back to the beginning. It tells instructions on how to keep the Sabbath and gives us the reason and motivation in the law to keep it saying "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day." (Ex 20:11) So the Sabbath day of law mirrors the rest God took on the 7th day. That rest, however, is not the rest of human fatigue it is the rest of a finished work that only God can do. The Sabbath day in the law tells us to remember a day but we can never achieve that kind of completion.

Hebrews 4:10 tells us "for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." We first enter God's rest and the act of this invokes the rest from works too, "just as God did from his". We cannot rest as God did because that rest is contingent upon a finished work that only God can do. If creation is a salvation metaphor as 2 Cor 4:6-7 alludes to then that finished work is us. God doing a work in us starting by speaking light until complete and this is when we experience rest "just as God did form his"

This is embedded in the law itself as the law says "On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns." (Ex 20:10) this law is spoken to the heads of the households, those who have authority over the people in their household. it starts saying "you shall not do any work" then continues "neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns." so the context is clear that the "you" is the one with authority over the households. in ancient cultures explicit permission from the master is needed to do things in the household. this includes wives, children, servants/slaves, animals and even the people passing through the towns. This is especially clear with servants and animals, even more so with animals. A working animal cannot rest unless they are given that rest. if they lay down on the field in the middle of work they will be beaten. it is only when the master gives them rest that they may take rest and outside of that they have no authority to rest, even if they work to death they have no still have no authority to rest.

Our master is Christ and just as an Ox can only take rest if it is given by the master only Christ can give us rest and only he has authority over the rest. He says he is "Lord of the Sabbath" (Mat 12:8) which means the Sabbath is for him and he has authority over the Sabbath. He also offers us his rest (Mat 11:28-30). So Christ is the master of the Sabbath, he has authority over it and he offers us rest.

So with all that what is the purpose of the Sabbath? it is spiritual completeness that we receive through Christ, which is a parallel of the completeness of creation and Christ has the authority to give it. It is not just salvation but the completed works of the new creation in us (2 Cor 5:17) and because of this, just like the day, we are called blessed and holy.
 
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It doesn’t appear you what anyone to respond with scriptures and prefer opinions over the Word of God.

For example on this question you asked:

20:10 the seventh day is the sabbath to the Lord your God

This is a direct quote from God on your exact question! But its not want you want to hear. I guess thats your free will. Take care and God bless.
20:10 is not a statement of purpose though, is it? you also started by saying "Because God said so!" and that was the sentiment I was responding to. So as promised in the OP I will continue to ask why. I recognize the scripture you post but this doesn't answer the question. Why is the seventh day the Sabbath day and ultimately what is the purpose behind this?
 
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I'm not trying to force the Sabbath inside a day/commandment but rather look at what's does the Sabbath mean beyond the day/commandment. (I could have used "God's rest" instead) People seem very fixated on the day, I happen to think it is more than a day. A very basic purpose is simply "to obtain rest" but that's quite a loaded statement.

looking at the Sabbath in a creation vacuum Sabbath is the state of completion of God's work. We know God does not need to rest so we know this rest is not out of fatigue but because the works are complete. The creation account is a type of salvation metaphor, we know this because 2 Cor 4:6-7 tells us what the light of creation is about using the parallel that Christ "made light shine in our hearts" with a direct reference back to the creation account. light is contrasted with darkness and before light, the earth was unformed and existed in darkness so the salvation metaphors unfold naturally. before salvation we are in darkness then a process starts when light is spoken into use that forms us, fills us, and ends in rest.

the whole creation account is in a chiastic structure and the parallel chiasmus helps us understand the point being made. Day 1 is linked to day 4, day 2 is linked with day 5 and day 3 is linked to day 6 (for example day 2 the waters are separated forming the oceans/skies, day 5 fish/birds are filled in the oceans/skies). if you read the accounts you see the pattern of the first 3 days God is organizing/separating, and the last 3 days God is filling up and each unfolds in the same order. This covers days 1-6 but the rest of the account is still in a chiastic structure the first is in the first verse "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" which is paralleled with 2:1 "thus the heavens and the earth were created" and acts like bookends to the account.

There is only one parallel left and this is day 7 what does it link to? the only part left.

1:2 "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

is paralleled with

2:2-3 "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

I call it Day 0 and Day 7

so what does this tell us about the purpose of the Sabbath? it tells us it is the answer to Genesis 1:2. the answer that which is formless, empty and dark. So the Sabbath is the opposite and using the creation account we can see what the sabbath is and what it is not. the Sabbath is not formless it is formed, not empty it is full, not of darkness it is of light. And these are the exact focuses of the creation account, speaking light, forming, and filling until complete which ushers in the Sabbath. So the Sabbath is the state of fruition and culminating point of creation. Because God completed his work it is finished so it is holy and the work is rested and this is the Sabbath of creation.

The 4th commandment tells us to "remember the Sabbath day" (Ex 20:8) which connects it back to the beginning. It tells instructions on how to keep the Sabbath and gives us the reason and motivation in the law to keep it saying "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day." (Ex 20:11) So the Sabbath day of law mirrors the rest God took on the 7th day. That rest, however, is not the rest of human fatigue it is the rest of a finished work that only God can do. The Sabbath day in the law tells us to remember a day but we can never achieve that kind of completion.

Hebrews 4:10 tells us "for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." We first enter God's rest and the act of this invokes the rest from works too, "just as God did from his". We cannot rest as God did because that rest is contingent upon a finished work that only God can do. If creation is a salvation metaphor as 2 Cor 4:6-7 alludes to then that finished work is us. God doing a work in us starting by speaking light until complete and this is when we experience rest "just as God did form his"

This is embedded in the law itself as the law says "On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns." (Ex 20:10) this law is spoken to the heads of the households, those who have authority over the people in their household. it starts saying "you shall not do any work" then continues "neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns." so the context is clear that the "you" is the one with authority over the households. in ancient cultures explicit permission from the master is needed to do things in the household. this includes wives, children, servants/slaves, animals and even the people passing through the towns. This is especially clear with servants and animals, even more so with animals. A working animal cannot rest unless they are given that rest. if they lay down on the field in the middle of work they will be beaten. it is only when the master gives them rest that they may take rest and outside of that they have no authority to rest, even if they work to death they have no still have no authority to rest.

Our master is Christ and just as an Ox can only take rest if it is given by the master only Christ can give us rest and only he has authority over the rest. He says he is "Lord of the Sabbath" (Mat 12:8) which means the Sabbath is for him and he has authority over the Sabbath. He also offers us his rest (Mat 11:28-30). So Christ is the master of the Sabbath, he has authority over it and he offers us rest.

So with all that what is the purpose of the Sabbath? it is spiritual completeness that we receive through Christ, which is a parallel of the completeness of creation and Christ has the authority to give it. It is not just salvation but the completed works of the new creation in us (2 Cor 5:17) and because of this, just like the day, we are called blessed and holy.

to understand what "rest" is one must understand what "labor" is ....
 
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to understand what "rest" is one must understand what "labor" is ....
whose labor? if it's God's labor then the rest is the completed work of creation (or new creation in us). if it's our labor then Genesis 3:17-20 comes to mind. how do you define labor?
 
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whose labor? if it's God's labor then the rest is the completed work of creation (or new creation in us). if it's our labor then Genesis 3:17-20 comes to mind. how do you define labor?

the leaning on our own understanding as in our own reasoning, which is one and the same as the eating of a tree bearing two fruits ...
 
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20:10 is not a statement of purpose though, is it? you also started by saying "Because God said so!" and that was the sentiment I was responding to. So as promised in the OP I will continue to ask why. I recognize the scripture you post but this doesn't answer the question. Why is the seventh day the Sabbath day and ultimately what is the purpose behind this?
God telling us verbatim that the Sabbath is the seventh day and the holy day of the Lord thy God something God both spoke and and wrote with His own finger has no purpose? God defined the Sabbath and it is always on the seventh day from Creation Genesis 2:1-3 and will be continue for eternity for His saints Isaiah 66:23 just like God promised. Exodus 31:16. I guess we value the Word of God much differently.
 
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God telling us verbatim that the Sabbath is the seventh day and the holy day of the Lord thy God something God both spoke and and wrote with His own finger has no purpose? I guess we value the Word of God much differently.
I never said the Sabbath doesn't have purpose. What I'm asking is what is that purpose?
 
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Exodus 31:12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does anywork on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.

Deuteronomy 5:15 - And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you (the Israelites) to keep the Sabbath day.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel under the old covenant (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
 
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That’s not what I was replying to. You said the Sabbath was not conflated with a day, but scripture states otherwise.

The purpose of the Sabbath was answered with scriptures on these posts:

What is the purpose of the Sabbath?

What is the purpose of the Sabbath?

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I didn't say that, but I did ask why you thought that. In case you haven't figured out my goal is for greater depth. Regarding those other posts, as requested from the OP I wanted to focus on purpose not requirement. You seem to focus heavily on the latter. Are you able be more consize and address the purpose without getting into the requirement?
 
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Exodus 31:12 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does anywork on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”

Exodus 35:1 - Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: 2 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. 3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.

Deuteronomy 5:15 - And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you (the Israelites) to keep the Sabbath day.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel under the old covenant (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
Correct me if I'm wrong are you saying the purpose of the Sabbath is "a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you". Did I get that right? (there was a lot of other stuff in your post that wasn't about purpose).

You seem to be looking at the Sabbath through the lens of law. Might there be a greater purpose defined outside of law? I mean to include the 7th day of creation with the word "Sabbath" and not just limit it to law.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong are you saying the purpose of the Sabbath is "a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you". Did I get that right? (there was a lot of other stuff in your post that wasn't about purpose).

You seem to be looking at the Sabbath through the lens of law. Might there be a greater purpose defined outside of law? I mean to include the 7th day of creation with the word "Sabbath" and not just limit it to law.
My post stated clear purpose and although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath being kept before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.*
 
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I didn't say that, but I did ask why you thought that. In case you haven't figured out my goal is for greater depth. Regarding those other posts, as requested from the OP I wanted to focus on purpose not requirement. You seem to focus heavily on the latter. Are you able be more consize and address the purpose without getting into the requirement?
No, you made a statement the Sabbath was not conflated with a day. God said otherwise.

The posts I referenced does outline the purpose of the Sabbath and it is also a requirement “ God’s commandment”. I don’t think its wise to let opinions dictate what God already clearly stated about the Sabbath commandment. You don’t seem to be interested in what the scriptures says and more interested in personal interpretations/opinions thats not supported by scriptures.

The purpose of the Sabbath is spending time with God, focusing the Sabbath day on God through His Word (scriptures), prayer and fellowship on the only day God blessed, made holy for Him and for us and sanctified. Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13,


We will have to agree to disagree. Take care.
 
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My post stated clear purpose and although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath being kept before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.*
So what was that clear purpose again? Don't get hung with requiment or lack there of, the question is about purpose not requirement. I also do not mean to isolate Sabbath law but am using the word cover to the broader context of Sabbath.
 
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No, you made a statement the Sabbath was not conflated with a day. God said otherwise.

The posts I referenced does outline the purpose of the Sabbath and it is also a requirement “ God’s commandment”. I don’t think its wise to let options dictate what God already clearly stated about the Sabbath commandment. You don’t seem to be interested in what the scriptures says and more interested in personal interpretations/opinions thats not supported by scriptures. We will have to agree to disagree. Take care.
Please tell me what that purpose is? I'm not sure what we're disagreeing on (except for maybe not following instructions) I'm asking for purpose not an argument.
 
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