Salvation vs : service.

[BNR32FAN]

You actually went to my page to count my "Likes"?
Is that an adult thing to do?
Are you an adult?

I dont really notice "Likes", unless im about to respond to the post, and then i see that its a "like".
Im grateful for the likes., but, im not here for them.
Im here to teach.
So, you worry about those likes, and i'll concern myself with the next post i teach and the next Thread i write.
Same as always.

I don’t see what all the fuss is about. If you were telling the truth then my checking your likes would be completely irrelevant but since there’s a discrepancy between what you claimed and the actual truth that seems to have caused a problem. You said you have 40 threads so that’s a very low number of likes for someone claiming to have “many people printing their threads” something I’ve never heard of in my 4 years of being on CF. So yeah when someone makes a claim that doesn’t seem to be true I double check so I can determine their integrity. The only people who will have a problem with this are the ones who’s claims aren’t supported by the facts.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Actually you brought up the "likes" issue, and i pointed out that if that is why you are here, then thats pretty sad.
Im not here for that, as i told you, the first time you brought it up.

Salvation vs : service.

Here’s you bringing it up. I brought it up in a previous thread but this reply was in response to your mentioning it on a separate occasion.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Im saying that if you are born again, as Jesus said you "must be", then He is the eternal advocate for all the born again.
The born again, already Exist within the Holy Spirit of God.
This is their "eternal life", and why Jesus says that "shall never perish".

No you actually said that a person can reject God and they are still saved. Here I’ll show you your quote to refresh your memory.

God can't deny the new birth.
Try to understand that if a person is born again, that they can't stop being BORN.

Let me show you your incredible lack of logic.

Go to your mother and tell her.....>"i dont want to be yours anymore" "i refuse to be your son".

Does that change it?
Why not?
Because you are BORN, and you can't change this with a attitude issue or a lack of faith.

Now, If a Born Again (thats a birth) tells God, "i dont want you, i dont want to be "born again".

See it?

Think about that for a while.
Who knows..
Maybe you can come to understand that you can't stop being born. or "born again".

 

[Sidon]

Right there you just said that faith (the faith in Colossians 1:23) is not the first faith (Hebrews 6:1) that God accepted to save a person. Right there you are saying that these are two different types of faith.

No, im not saying there are 2 types of faith, and ive never said there are "2 faith"...So, you are again making something up.
Do better.

Now...
Im saying to you and to Ligurian, who both say there are 2 types, that you are both not understanding that there is a difference between the "Gospel", and a dispensation.

So, there is ONE Gospel, and when a person says....."no there are a few".....then Paul says you are this. Galatians 1:8
Paul says there is not "another", so, that means there is only ONE.
Just one.
1.) The preaching of the Cross.

However, there is a Great Tribulation, and there will 144,00 preaching a different message that is For that PERIOD.
That is the period that comes in between the "time of the Gentiles" and the "millennial reign of Christ'.
So in the Grt Trib the MESSAGE is going to be, = "faith + works"...
So, that is different then Paul's Gospel, because when that is happening, then the "time of the gentiles"" is over, and the message that is the only one for this dispensation, "Grace Through Faith".... "The Gospel of the Grace of God".. will END.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The lake of fire exists, as it was created for the Devil and His angles.
Once sin entered the world then all became children of the Devil.
When a person is born again, they are born again OUT OF the Devil's family, an into God's Family.

Let me explain it to you like this, again..

Heaven is the place where God and His born again are located.

Hell, then the lake of fire, is where the Devil and His children, end up.
All unbelievers, All the Non- born -again.......end up with the Devil, as their "eternity".

Water Baptism, is not how a person is born again.
This is why thousands of people, who are water baptized, ended up in hell today, after they died.
Believe it.

Those who are born again do not enter Heaven until they die or until Christ’s second coming.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, im not saying there are 2 types of faith, and ive never said there are "2 faith"...So, you are again making something up.
Do better.

Now...
Im saying to you and to Ligurian, who both say there are 2 types, that you are both not understanding that there is a difference between the "Gospel", and a dispensation.

So, there is ONE Gospel, and when a person says....."no there are a few".....then Paul says you are this. Galatians 1:8
Paul says there is not "another", so, that means there is only ONE.
Just one.
1.) The preaching of the Cross.

However, there is a Great Tribulation, and there will 144,00 preaching a different message that is For that PERIOD.
That is the period that comes in between the "time of the Gentiles" and the "millennial reign of Christ'.
So in the Grt Trib the MESSAGE is going to be, = "faith + works"...
So, that is different then Paul's Gospel, because when that is happening, then the "time of the gentiles"" is over, and the message that is the only one for this dispensation, "Grace Through Faith".... "The Gospel of the Grace of God".. will END.

I have specifically quoted exactly where you said “that faith is not the first faith that God accepted to save a person”. I have not said anything about two different faiths. So what you should do now is prove me wrong and expose me as a liar by quoting exactly where I said there are two different faiths. I’d love to see you do that.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

I don’t see what all the fuss is about. If you were telling the truth then my checking your likes would be completely irrelevant but since there’s a discrepancy between what you claimed and the actual truth that seems to have caused a problem. You said you have 40 threads so that’s a very low number of likes for someone claiming to have “many people printing their threads” something I’ve never heard of in my 4 years of being on CF. So yeah when someone makes a claim that doesn’t seem to be true I double check so I can determine their integrity. The only people who will have a problem with this are the ones who’s claims aren’t supported by the facts.

What's funny about the "likes" situation is I drew attention and got a reply simply for LIKING one of the OP's posts. I was asked to defend my LIKE. Lol! It's possible to like a post while not agreeing with every single word a poster says.

I enjoy Christ and His work on the Cross being magnified. The OP does that.

 

[Sidon]

The Revelation of Jesus tells me not to do that. And I love Jesus, so I keep His commandments.

Its good that you love Jesus.
And all believers should keep all the commandments.
Just dont try go to heaven by keeping them, as if you are trying that, you have fallen from Grace.
How to know?

Ask yourself....>>"if i dont keep the commandments, am i still saved".
And if your answer is...>"no, i have to keep them to go to heaven"....then this means the commandments are your savior, and Jesus is ripped of the nails, or you have never been born again.
Its "fallen from Grace" or "never born again".
One or the other for all "commandment keepers" who believe they have to do this to go to heaven.
No exceptions.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So, there is ONE Gospel, and when a person says....."no there are a few".....then Paul says you are this. Galatians 1:8
Paul says there is not "another", so, that means there is only ONE.
Just one.
1.) The preaching of the Cross.

I agree there is only one gospel, there are four different gospel accounts but only one gospel. As for Galatians 1:8 I’ve already shown you that you ignore Ephesians 4 and 5 and therefore you are the one teaching a different gospel than Paul. Paul taught that we MUST refrain from sin while you on the other hand teach that once we are born again we can sin all we want and even directly reject God and we will still be saved. So you are WAY off from what Paul taught and I’ve even quoted 2 Timothy 2:12 several times and you still don’t get that if anyone denies Christ, including Paul or Timothy, Christ will deny them.

 

[Sidon]

I don’t see what all the fuss is about. If you were telling the truth then my checking your

You are checking my "likes" because this matters to you.
This is why you have talked about it for days, now..

I told you...if you want to keep checking my likes, then you have my permission.
Whatever you feel you need to do, you just keep doing that and you keep talking about it also, Bnr32Fan
np.

 

[apollosdtr]

You did say there are two faiths and I’ve already quoted you twice on this.

Yes.
That faith is THE "renewed mind"........its not the first faith, that God accepted to save a person.

This verse is also connected to "dead faith" that James speaks about, which is a believer who is backslidden.

Paul teaches this term "castaway", and that is a Demas, who is born again, yet left discipleship behind because he wanted the world.

Salvation vs : service.

Right there you just said that faith (the faith in Colossians 1:23) is not the first faith (Hebrews 6:1) that God accepted to save a person. Right there you are saying that these are two different types of faith.

Thank you so much BNR32FAN... it would be very easy to take this ball and run with it.

The grace gospel theory of "dead works" would be an oxymoron in the Kingdom Gospel which says "heareth these words of Mine, and doeth them". In fact, these two very different groups of people seem to have read each other's letters and specifically wrote in order to refute the other group's gospel.
So Barnabus/Paul say "dead works".
And James says "faith without works is dead".
And Sidon is proof of what happens when the two gospels collide, because he invariably turns inside out what the Kingdom Gospel means.

 

[Sidon]

Salvation vs : service.

Here’s you bringing it up. I brought it up in a previous thread but this reply was in response to your mentioning it on a separate occasion.

As i told you 3x now.
You are interested in my "likes".
So, you went and counted them.
I find this behavior to be quite queer, honestly, but, whatever works for you, whatever you need to do, you just keep doing it.
You. have my permission to keep reviewing my "likes".
And if you need to keep talking about it for a few more days, then do that also, Bnr32fan.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What's funny about the "likes" situation is I drew attention and got a reply simply for LIKING one of the OP's posts. I was asked to defend my LIKE. Lol! It's possible to like a post while not agreeing with every single word a poster says.

I enjoy Christ and His work on the Cross being magnified. The OP does that.

I agree that some of Sidon’s OPs on the surface have the appearance of sound theology until you get into the specifics. It’s one thing to say that the blood of Christ cleanses us of all sin but it’s completely another story to say that we can sin all we want and even directly reject God and still be saved. Most of his OPs don’t get into those kind of details so on the surface they have the appearance of being sound doctrine until you get farther into the discussion and realize that it doesn’t line up with scripture the way he is actually teaching it.

 

[Sidon]

No you actually said that a person can reject God and they are still saved. Here I’ll show you your quote to refresh your memory.

Yes, if a person is born again, they can hate God, and they are still born again.
Your feelings, have no impact on THE Fact, that a believer can't be Un-Born Again.
Feelings do not change the Blood of Jesus, once it has made a person "righteous".

I teach this all over the world, as legalist all over the world, in their pride, feel that they have more power to stop their salvation, then God has the Power to keep it for them.

Philippians 1:6

So, its just a pride thing.
I hear it in life, and on forums from Legalist.
In classes and one to one, i meet them, and they are all lost in the self deception of self saving.

Nothing new under the sun.

 

[setst777]

You brought it up again in post 702, today.
That one also counts.

Listen, dont let your dishonestly keep you from trying it a few more times.
Isn't that why you're here?

I quoted your post with YOU saying you get all these likes. I never mentioned likes. You are the one concerned about how many likes you get. Yet, you say now you don't care about the likes. Hypocritical.

Sidon said: ↑

Be serious now.

I get lots of "likes" here., from people who understand the CROSS.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Thank you so much BNR32FAN... it would be very easy to take this ball and run with it.

The grace gospel theory of "dead works" would be an oxymoron in the Kingdom Gospel which says "heareth these words of Mine, and doeth them". In fact, these two very different groups of people seem to have read each other's letters and specifically wrote in order to refute the other group's gospel.
So Barnabus/Paul say "dead works".
And James says "faith without works is dead".
And Sidon is proof of what happens when the two gospels collide, because he invariably turns inside out what the Kingdom Gospel means.

Yes many people will read Matthew 7:21-23 and completely omit verses 24-27 where Jesus expounds upon the subject further. They will often say that these people were trying to be saved by their works but what was actually taking place is these people were false prophets, they were scam artists pretending to do miracles while they were lying the whole time. Simon Magus is definitely one of these people.

 

[Sidon]

Those who are born again do not enter Heaven until they die or until Christ’s second coming.

You need to buy a NT.
And you need to burn your commentaries.
Really.

Listen, Paul said...>"absent from the Body, (and to be) present with the Lord".

There is your reality Check.

See, your BODY, is buried or its burned.
Your Spirit, leaves your body, and it goes to Heaven or to Hell.
There is no waiting.
It's instant.

You have newspaper in your city?
Get one.
Turn to the Obituary page.
See those DEAD people? Everyone is in hell or in heaven.
They are not in the Grave, = and its because they LEFT THEIR BODY, when they DIED.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

I agree that some of Sidon’s OPs on the surface have the appearance of sound theology until you get into the specifics. It’s one thing to say that the blood of Christ cleanses us of all sin but it’s completely another story to say that we can sin all we want and even directly reject God and still be saved. Most of his OPs don’t get into those kind of details so on the surface they have the appearance of being sound doctrine until you get farther into the discussion and realize that it doesn’t line up with scripture the way he is actually teaching it.

Only I do not hear the OP saying that in a promotional sense, ex: "Sin so grace may abound!"

Paul was accused of that, right? I tend to believe that if you cannot be at least accused of it then you are not teaching Paul's "my gospel". Of course it's possible to be antinomian in an evil sense, but Paul wasn't and I don't believe the OP is.

 

[setst777]

I don’t see what all the fuss is about. If you were telling the truth then my checking your likes would be completely irrelevant but since there’s a discrepancy between what you claimed and the actual truth that seems to have caused a problem. You said you have 40 threads so that’s a very low number of likes for someone claiming to have “many people printing their threads” something I’ve never heard of in my 4 years of being on CF. So yeah when someone makes a claim that doesn’t seem to be true I double check so I can determine their integrity. The only people who will have a problem with this are the ones who’s claims aren’t supported by the facts.

It is when you say you get all these likes. BNR32FAN was checking out your story to see if you are lying. Truth be known, BNR32FAN was correct.

 

[setst777]

As i told you 3x now.
You are interested in my "likes".
So, you went and counted them.
I find this behavior to be quite queer, honestly, but, whatever works for you, whatever you need to do, you just keep doing it.
You. have my permission to keep reviewing my "likes".
And if you need to keep talking about it for a few more days, then do that also, Bnr32fan.

He was responding to your post saying you get all these likes. YOU are the one who is bragging about all these likes you supposedly got, so they must be important to you. Yet, now that you are confronted by Bnr32fan about how few likes you actually get, now you blame him as if he was concerned about the likes, when you are the one who used the "likes" in your defense.